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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Karoz wrote: »



    With Immortal Empires just around the corner, we want to make sure everyone is battle ready! From today till the 18th of August, Microsoft Store will be offering up to 75% off Total War: WARHAMMER I, II titles & DLC with a special bundle on both!

    Total Warhammer 1 and 2 for $30 on Microsoft store, no equivalent for Steam or other stores

    Looks like this was the bait with 3 being on Gamepass so if you want all the other races should jump on this pack.

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  • LordSolarMachariusLordSolarMacharius Red wine with fish Registered User regular
    Another dev Q&A is going on. Not a lot of interesting stuff compared to previous ones, but things that jumped out to me:
    • Volkmar gains benefits from "sealing away" the books of Nagash; it's also how he gets access to Elector Count units.
    • Clan Pestilence has not been updated to have Nurgle-style build-a-plague, but it's a potential for the future.
    • AI Black Arks will attack coastal settlements now.
    • The Chaos forces don't automatically declare war/have war declared in IE like they do in the RoC campaign.

  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    Another dev Q&A is going on. Not a lot of interesting stuff compared to previous ones, but things that jumped out to me:
    • Volkmar gains benefits from "sealing away" the books of Nagash; it's also how he gets access to Elector Count units.
    • Clan Pestilence has not been updated to have Nurgle-style build-a-plague, but it's a potential for the future.
    • AI Black Arks will attack coastal settlements now.
    • The Chaos forces don't automatically declare war/have war declared in IE like they do in the RoC campaign.

    Goooood. There's a mod that changes this in RoC, and it helps with the AI blobbing the player a lot! The AI still war decs you as is appropriate, but you have to be somewhat close to them instead of them sending stuff from across the map like when they're perma-warring.

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  • PriscaPrisca Registered User regular
    I wonder what historical stuff CA has been working on. I've lost interest in Warhammer after the debut of the original.

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Prisca wrote: »
    I wonder what historical stuff CA has been working on. I've lost interest in Warhammer after the debut of the original.

    My bet is still Total War: Ants

  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Another dev Q&A is going on. Not a lot of interesting stuff compared to previous ones, but things that jumped out to me:
    • Volkmar gains benefits from "sealing away" the books of Nagash; it's also how he gets access to Elector Count units.
    • Clan Pestilence has not been updated to have Nurgle-style build-a-plague, but it's a potential for the future.
    • AI Black Arks will attack coastal settlements now.
    • The Chaos forces don't automatically declare war/have war declared in IE like they do in the RoC campaign.

    I wonder if Volkmar is going to have some kind of beef with the Tomb Kings, given that they too are hunting books of Nagash.

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    The big one is apparently vs Mannfred which may be part of the reason for sending them both south.

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    OH MY GOD YES

    As an Xbox profile guy, time to double dip!!!

    Insanely good price too. Christmas came early

    hmm altho the warhammer 1 page says no achievements, so you might only get achievements for 2, or maybe playing 1 races in 2?


    Also in classic Microsoft fashion the app doesn’t have the full games available for purchase, just the dlcs floating in the ether, you can only buy the full games on the Microsoft website store. Maybe sync this stuff Microsoft, given the fact that you’re you know, one of the largest corporations on the planet

    Also clicking the buy button on the store does nothing, so that’s great

    Ok I have an Xbox app on my pc which I’ve been using to play 3 on gamepass, however buying 1 and 2 on the Microsoft store opens up the Microsoft store app, a seperate app, some of the dlc is available on the Xbox app but not the games themselves. Super good job microsoft

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Prohass wrote: »
    OH MY GOD YES

    As an Xbox profile guy, time to double dip!!!

    Insanely good price too. Christmas came early

    hmm altho the warhammer 1 page says no achievements, so you might only get achievements for 2, or maybe playing 1 races in 2?



    Also in classic Microsoft fashion the app doesn’t have the full games available for purchase, just the dlcs floating in the ether, you can only buy the full games on the Microsoft website store. Maybe sync this stuff Microsoft, given the fact that you’re you know, one of the largest corporations on the planet

    Also clicking the buy button on the store does nothing, so that’s great

    Ok I have an Xbox app on my pc which I’ve been using to play 3 on gamepass, however buying 1 and 2 on the Microsoft store opens up the Microsoft store app, a seperate app, some of the dlc is available on the Xbox app but not the games themselves. Super good job microsoft

    So once you get 1+2 you more or less don't need to play 1 (theoretically this will be the case with 2 and 3 once Immortal Empires comes out, if it is good).

    Having 1 enables Mortal Empires in 2, which is a big combined map that lets you play the races from 1 as well as 2. You'll want 1 and 2 to unlock the races from those, as well as unlocking the big fancy map (Immortal Empires) that is coming out at the end of the month for 3.

    That's the main appeal of buying the older ones.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Prisca wrote: »
    I wonder what historical stuff CA has been working on. I've lost interest in Warhammer after the debut of the original.

    Three Kingdoms 2 is in development because they have a dedicated Three Kingdoms team.

    The front runner I’ve seen for normal historical based on usual guesses and sleuthing things like IP registrations is Medieval 3.

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Fiatil wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    OH MY GOD YES

    As an Xbox profile guy, time to double dip!!!

    Insanely good price too. Christmas came early

    hmm altho the warhammer 1 page says no achievements, so you might only get achievements for 2, or maybe playing 1 races in 2?



    Also in classic Microsoft fashion the app doesn’t have the full games available for purchase, just the dlcs floating in the ether, you can only buy the full games on the Microsoft website store. Maybe sync this stuff Microsoft, given the fact that you’re you know, one of the largest corporations on the planet

    Also clicking the buy button on the store does nothing, so that’s great

    Ok I have an Xbox app on my pc which I’ve been using to play 3 on gamepass, however buying 1 and 2 on the Microsoft store opens up the Microsoft store app, a seperate app, some of the dlc is available on the Xbox app but not the games themselves. Super good job microsoft

    So once you get 1+2 you more or less don't need to play 1 (theoretically this will be the case with 2 and 3 once Immortal Empires comes out, if it is good).

    Having 1 enables Mortal Empires in 2, which is a big combined map that lets you play the races from 1 as well as 2. You'll want 1 and 2 to unlock the races from those, as well as unlocking the big fancy map (Immortal Empires) that is coming out at the end of the month for 3.

    That's the main appeal of buying the older ones.

    Yeah that’s what I was thinking

    Also man the Microsoft store app sucks. I think the Xbox Pc app just hasn’t updated to show the warhammer 1 and 2 games, cos their dlc shows up in warhammer 3, but there’s no actual warhammer 1 and 2 page yet. So I’ve bought it on the Microsoft store, an app so shit even I’m complaining about it, a person who usually has no idea whether an app is good or not. It offers no way I can see to actually say where you want to install the game. I’m hoping it’s just a delay and eventually my purchase will show up on the Xbox app as well and I can go back to not even knowing the Microsoft Store app existed and never use it again, I finally get why people complain about Microsoft on PC now.

    Basically the Xbox PC app is what I’ve been using this whole time to play warhammer 3 and various gamepass games, it’s a decent app that does all the things I need it to and works well. All the info I can find says that things you purchase in the Microsoft store should show up on the Xbox PC app, so I’m hoping they just haven’t updated the app yet to have a warhammer 1 and 2 page

    Which is very professional and good for a trillion dollar company

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    The Khorne WoC lord stuff has leaked, just fyi

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    My frustration with the Microsoft store is the main thing that keeps me from just having Gamepass running all the time.

    It should be way better, and it is compared to Games for Windows Live but that is an abysmally low bar to clear.

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Karoz wrote: »
    My frustration with the Microsoft store is the main thing that keeps me from just having Gamepass running all the time.

    It should be way better, and it is compared to Games for Windows Live but that is an abysmally low bar to clear.

    the gamepass app works well, it has all the functionality i require. They should just put everything you buy that can be run on it on it. But i think theyre keeping it seperate for some annyoing reason

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    I wonder if you’ll be able to access the Mortal Empires campaign as well as Immortal Empires from inside warhammer 3? So I could just install warhammer 1 and 2 on another drive and just have 3 on my ssd

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    I can't think of a reason to play Mortal Empires vs Immortal Empires but the Non-vortex Vortex campaigns for some races in 2 might be reason enough to install it on the SSD.

    There is the wood elves and beastmen DLC campaigns in 1 but otherwise no reason to even install it.

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Karoz wrote: »
    I can't think of a reason to play Mortal Empires vs Immortal Empires but the Non-vortex Vortex campaigns for some races in 2 might be reason enough to install it on the SSD.

    There is the wood elves and beastmen DLC campaigns in 1 but otherwise no reason to even install it.

    I’ll have to see how the achievements work cos I’m doing all this for the cheeves. 1 and 2 look like they have seperate achievement lists, but I’m hoping I can unlock achievements for 1 while playing 2. but it looks like ill actually have to load up 1 to get the 1 achieves, load up 2 to get the 2 achieves, etc I’ll have to do some testing

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    I wonder if you’ll be able to access the Mortal Empires campaign as well as Immortal Empires from inside warhammer 3? So I could just install warhammer 1 and 2 on another drive and just have 3 on my ssd

    For Mortal Empires, you only needed to own 1, you didn't need it installed.

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    I wonder if you’ll be able to access the Mortal Empires campaign as well as Immortal Empires from inside warhammer 3? So I could just install warhammer 1 and 2 on another drive and just have 3 on my ssd

    For Mortal Empires, you only needed to own 1, you didn't need it installed.

    How are the individual campaigns in 1? I’ll likely play some of them to get the achievements anyway, but are they different enough from the mortal empires stuff?

    Also playing 1 and man it makes my computer whir like crazy, whereas with warhammer 3 it’s quiet, shows you how much optimisation can do

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Karoz wrote: »
    My frustration with the Microsoft store is the main thing that keeps me from just having Gamepass running all the time.

    It should be way better, and it is compared to Games for Windows Live but that is an abysmally low bar to clear.

    the gamepass app works well, it has all the functionality i require. They should just put everything you buy that can be run on it on it. But i think theyre keeping it seperate for some annyoing reason

    There’s plenty of problems with Gamepass, especially around installation directories and access to them.

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    Karoz wrote: »
    My frustration with the Microsoft store is the main thing that keeps me from just having Gamepass running all the time.

    It should be way better, and it is compared to Games for Windows Live but that is an abysmally low bar to clear.

    the gamepass app works well, it has all the functionality i require. They should just put everything you buy that can be run on it on it. But i think theyre keeping it seperate for some annyoing reason

    There’s plenty of problems with Gamepass, especially around installation directories and access to them.

    Oh yeah I don’t doubt it

    Also the achievements are very odd/glitched so far, unlocked an exiles of Nehek achievement, while playing as Dark Elves, havent touched tomb kings yet…

    Ok yeah achievements in 2 are broken, I just did a ritual as dark elves, and instead it unlocked an achievement to do with wood elves

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    I wonder if you’ll be able to access the Mortal Empires campaign as well as Immortal Empires from inside warhammer 3? So I could just install warhammer 1 and 2 on another drive and just have 3 on my ssd

    For Mortal Empires, you only needed to own 1, you didn't need it installed.

    How are the individual campaigns in 1? I’ll likely play some of them to get the achievements anyway, but are they different enough from the mortal empires stuff?

    Also playing 1 and man it makes my computer whir like crazy, whereas with warhammer 3 it’s quiet, shows you how much optimisation can do

    1 was only out for like a year before 2 came out, at which point updates on 1 stopped. 2 has 5 years of updates and support, and at this point is far superior to 1. I played a single campaign in 1, then I bought 2 and never looked back.

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    1 was pretty much a proof of concept and is nigh identical to 2's mortal empires bar a smaller map and less races and easier to manage things like public order.

    The Beastmen DLC was kinda cool but I mostly played with so many buffs that sieges lasted 1 turn.

    I got Beastmen and Wood Elves more for multiplayer at the time but both have gotten great updates and have very distinct campaign mechanics now.

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  • Blah64Blah64 Registered User regular
    I liked how 1 limited what environments each faction could settle. Was, and still am, disappointed that 2 made it possible to settle everywhere.

  • LordSolarMachariusLordSolarMacharius Red wine with fish Registered User regular
    The first game also has the separate mini-campaigns for the DLCs ('Season of Revelation' for the Wood Elves, and 'An Eye For An Eye' for the Beastmen). They zoomed in and focused on areas (Bretonnia/Athel Loren; Middenland and surrounding area) which was kind of fun.

    (I replayed Season of Revelation not too long ago, and was surprised to see Gristle Valley as a settlement on that map. I thought CA had just introduced it for the Ogres in game three.)

  • SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    Blah64 wrote: »
    I liked how 1 limited what environments each faction could settle. Was, and still am, disappointed that 2 made it possible to settle everywhere.
    Yes, some of the Destruction races haven't worked as well for years because of that changed. I think it was a good change but they really needed their mechanics updated in response to that.

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  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Well. After the leak a few days ago we know that Valkia is bald, beautiful and a much much angrier female Lü Bu, but here is an official teaser anyway.
    https://youtu.be/BBeyfqQwdE0

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  • MassenaMassena Registered User regular
    Has anyone seen play statistics for WH 2 vs 3? Seems like every time I look up my friends on Steam are playing 2 instead of 3. Wondering if that's an artifact of sampling bias or more universal....

  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    Massena wrote: »
    Has anyone seen play statistics for WH 2 vs 3? Seems like every time I look up my friends on Steam are playing 2 instead of 3. Wondering if that's an artifact of sampling bias or more universal....

    Nope, you're not crazy. Steam charts says the 30 day average for 3 is about half of 2 -- 6,600 vs. 12,400.

    It launched in a really bad state which drove a lot of people off. They've fixed lots of it, but everyone is pretty much in "wait for immortal empires" mode at the moment due to the Realms of Chaos campaign being pretty bad.

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  • SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    Massena wrote: »
    Has anyone seen play statistics for WH 2 vs 3? Seems like every time I look up my friends on Steam are playing 2 instead of 3. Wondering if that's an artifact of sampling bias or more universal....

    I've won once with most of the factions (only Khorne and Slaanesh left) so I've just been in a holding pattern until IE as I didn't think I had enough time to bang out one more. I could've gone back to ME but I didn't want to spoil my appetite so I'm playing other stuff.

    Though I've been so desperate to play my rats again I ever so briefly flirted with hitting up GOG for Mark of Chaos before coming back from the brink.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Warhammer 2 also has a lot more content still. Even discounting Mortal Empires, there’s so many lords with their own campaigns in Vortex.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it stays high on player count even after Immortal Empires.

  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    Karoz wrote: »
    My frustration with the Microsoft store is the main thing that keeps me from just having Gamepass running all the time.

    It should be way better, and it is compared to Games for Windows Live but that is an abysmally low bar to clear.

    the gamepass app works well, it has all the functionality i require. They should just put everything you buy that can be run on it on it. But i think theyre keeping it seperate for some annyoing reason

    There’s plenty of problems with Gamepass, especially around installation directories and access to them.

    they actually recently changed it so now MS store games can install to any directory you choose; not just the stupid microsoft appdate magic directory with no access that sometimes doesn't delete data when you uninstall the game and filled up my entire SSD and nuked 2 windows installs of mine when i tried to delete them manually...not that i'm bitter...

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  • Smaug6Smaug6 Registered User regular
    Fiatil wrote: »
    Massena wrote: »
    Has anyone seen play statistics for WH 2 vs 3? Seems like every time I look up my friends on Steam are playing 2 instead of 3. Wondering if that's an artifact of sampling bias or more universal....

    Nope, you're not crazy. Steam charts says the 30 day average for 3 is about half of 2 -- 6,600 vs. 12,400.

    It launched in a really bad state which drove a lot of people off. They've fixed lots of it, but everyone is pretty much in "wait for immortal empires" mode at the moment due to the Realms of Chaos campaign being pretty bad.

    I tried to go back after the most recent patch and it still just felt so limp and uninspired after 2. There are a ton of cool concepts, but the initial failure of execution and implementation still haunts the game. I'm hoping with the new Chaos factions, I can at least enjoy the warhammer 3 map as I mostly played warhammer 2 map and almost no Mortal empires.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Yeah it’ll feel limp with only 11 lords in play. Vortex has 39 lords, and Mortal Empires has IIRC 75.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I think the vast amount of players were willing to tolerate the Vortex, because they knew Mortal Empires was coming and that shit sounded nuts, but once they have a full-fledged Mortal Empires, going to the Realms of Chaos campaign (which I maintain is fine, but not what most people wanted) is more difficult.

  • IvarIvar Oslo, NorwayRegistered User regular
    I recently finished a Legendary campaign in Realms of Chaos with Western Provinces.
    It was easier than I expected, my first Legendary victory in any Total War game.

    I don't think I'll ever play the Realms of Chaos campaign again though, at least not with any of the initial factions.
    That last campaign battle is just extremely boring to me, and it takes way too long to finish.
    Maybe if they make it autoresolvable like the other survival battles, but with Immortal Empires just around the corner there doesn't seem to be much need to play RoC at all.

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    I really hope they do a good job rebalancing the overall game for Immortal Empires cause the sheer size and inane victory requirements are a big turn off once you've gotten going.

    There are just some times I prefer the smaller and more focused non-vortex vortex campaigns like Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast.

    So I suspect if Champions of Chaos also uses the Realms of Chaos map I will love it very much.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Karoz wrote: »
    I really hope they do a good job rebalancing the overall game for Immortal Empires cause the sheer size and inane victory requirements are a big turn off once you've gotten going.

    There are just some times I prefer the smaller and more focused non-vortex vortex campaigns like Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast.

    So I suspect if Champions of Chaos also uses the Realms of Chaos map I will love it very much.

    There is a smaller campaign for Champions of Chaos, where they are collecting souls to activate rifts.

  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Champions of Chaos have RoC campaigns that don’t interact with the Ursun story, like all of the Warhammer 2 DLC lords having their own campaigns rather than taking part in the race.

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    did they fix the siege stuff

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