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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I feel like Andor is basically showing us the dirty part of what the rebellion would have had to be like to get to have ships and General Skywalkers and such.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    oh Andor is a PERSON
    I've spent the whole last few weeks thinking it was a planet.
    ... I might be thinking of Endor.

  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Also the way the empire is portrayed in Andor is just so on point. This is not the fantasy evil with a space wizard at the top.
    This empire is fascist, racist, petty, corrupt, and everyone who climbs to to the top it in is small minded, egotistic, ruthless, just really full of themselves.

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    edited October 2022
    tynic wrote: »
    oh Andor is a PERSON
    I've spent the whole last few weeks thinking it was a planet.
    ... I might be thinking of Endor.

    and the place they're on in RotJ is actually Endor's moon! what's endor like?? We may never know (no i will not check wookiepedia)

    wait i did check a stupid wiki and this is saying endor is the moon's name, which is the craziest thing i've ever heard. It's called the forest moon of endor!

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Andor has been pretty interesting as a show about a character with absolutely none of the rough edges sanded off in the way that we’ve been getting with Solo, Mandalorian, and Boba Fett.

    I’m enjoying it pretty well, but it’s mostly just interesting that it made it through the Disney grinder.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Andor has been pretty interesting as a show about a character with absolutely none of the rough edges sanded off in the way that we’ve been getting with Solo, Mandalorian, and Boba Fett.

    I’m enjoying it pretty well, but it’s mostly just interesting that it made it through the Disney grinder.

    I feel this is the benefit of Disney + doing pretty well. They feel they don't have to produce the easiest mass appeal show. Like Ms Marvel and She Hulk show that too. Hell I'd almost say Boba Fett even though it was a miss, felt like it was taking a chance with some elements I wouldn't mind seeing more of in a more competently done show.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »
    Andor is "han shot first" as a person

    edit: i'm not saying that's a bad thing

    edit edit: i mean obviously it is bad to shoot at people i think this is probably a given but just in case

    shooting fascists is a moral good

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    cursedking wrote: »
    Andor is "han shot first" as a person

    edit: i'm not saying that's a bad thing

    edit edit: i mean obviously it is bad to shoot at people i think this is probably a given but just in case

    shooting fascists is a moral good

    sure, he's just not always shooting those, as shown in his introduction in Rogue One

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Andoria is a planet in Star Trek, maybe there's a correlation!

  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    The gulf between the the quality of Andor and the other star wars shows is unbelievable. The technical craftsmanship alone.

  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    tynic wrote: »
    oh Andor is a PERSON
    I've spent the whole last few weeks thinking it was a planet.
    ... I might be thinking of Endor.

    I thought the exact same thing

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    I think it's pretty apples to oranges to compare mandolorian to andor, they are fundamentally different shows. It's definitely head and shoulders better than the obi-wan show though.

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    The Geek wrote: »
    I'm planning to rewatch Rogue One this weekend to refresh myself on Andor because I don't remember who he is at all.

    Andor the show is basically about how this speech
    https://www.starwars.com/video/we-d-like-to-volunteer

    Goddamn I love Rogue One.

    Now I'm watching it again.

  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    They're basically completely different genres, yes.

    I can compare the quality of the sets and visuals at least. While the CGI set of Mando les them do interesting stuff it has some clear limits compared to how Andor is shot. Andor also feels more tightly written and plotted.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    cursedking wrote: »
    Andor is "han shot first" as a person

    edit: i'm not saying that's a bad thing

    edit edit: i mean obviously it is bad to shoot at people i think this is probably a given but just in case

    shooting fascists is a moral good

    sure, he's just not always shooting those, as shown in his introduction in Rogue One

    they became fascists when he shot them, obviously

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Every time someone talks about Andor I wonder why they're talking about the wheel of time show.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    nobody is talking about the wheel of time show

  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Characters in Andor display and express emotions in a way I don't think I've ever seen before in Star Wars. The acting is a lot more subtle, nobody is a broad adventure story archetype. They have feelings and fears and hangups and things they want and hate, and they don't have to just tell you that in dialogue. People talk about politics, not just "empires are bad" but they're aware of the various ways empires consolidate and use power in ways we've seen in our world and aren't limited to "because they have a Death Star." They know why people fight against power, sometimes because they have ideals and sometimes just because they're angry

    I love Mandalorian and I even think Obi-Wan had some really strong episodes, but those shows are executing an adventure story, a pastiche of westerns and samurai stuff and other genres that are always the Star Wars stock in trade, and they have a lot of fanservice - much of it done well! But always reminding you of some other SW stuff you know and another part of the universe

    Andor doesn't really have any of that, and when they drop a name you might know it's very casual, because it makes sense as a thing a person would know about in this world, and never with a sense that they're teasing a movie character showing up or anything

    Hilariously this resulted in more than a few content creators from that Youtube cottage industry of "Easter eggs you missed in Andor" type stuff getting outraged about what a bad show it was, either because they honestly can't enjoy a thing that doesn't reference a hundred other things, or because they knew they weren't going to be able to mine every episode for a shitty video. Equally likely reasons, I think

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited October 2022
    I will say it did feel kind of shitty for the most recent episode of Andor.

    To unceremoniously kill both african american actors with almost no acknolwedgement of either character. Like I get that its that kind of show, but I felt it kind of shitty both of the black actors died and were not even acknowledged. One of them dying pretty much to die in that he didn't achieve anything.

    It was something I thought of today, but its kind of funny Stellan Skarsgård is in a espionage heist show considering his less than uhh great end in Ronin. Now I want Jean Reno to guest star somewhere.

    Preacher on
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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom try The Substance it changed my lifeRegistered User regular
  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin

    cool, wonder if they'll also undo laying of 90 people at Cartoon Network

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »

    cool, wonder if they'll also undo laying of 90 people at Cartoon Network

    (they will not)

  • SproutSprout Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I will say it did feel kind of shitty for the most recent episode of Andor.

    To unceremoniously kill both african american actors with almost no acknolwedgement of either character. Like I get that its that kind of show, but I felt it kind of shitty both of the black actors died and were not even acknowledged. One of them dying pretty much to die in that he didn't achieve anything.

    It was something I thought of today, but its kind of funny Stellan Skarsgård is in a espionage heist show considering his less than uhh great end in Ronin. Now I want Jean Reno to guest star somewhere.

    I think it’s more significant that
    Those two characters are the former Imperials on the team.

  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Characters in Andor display and express emotions in a way I don't think I've ever seen before in Star Wars. The acting is a lot more subtle, nobody is a broad adventure story archetype. They have feelings and fears and hangups and things they want and hate, and they don't have to just tell you that in dialogue. People talk about politics, not just "empires are bad" but they're aware of the various ways empires consolidate and use power in ways we've seen in our world and aren't limited to "because they have a Death Star." They know why people fight against power, sometimes because they have ideals and sometimes just because they're angry

    I love Mandalorian and I even think Obi-Wan had some really strong episodes, but those shows are executing an adventure story, a pastiche of westerns and samurai stuff and other genres that are always the Star Wars stock in trade, and they have a lot of fanservice - much of it done well! But always reminding you of some other SW stuff you know and another part of the universe

    Andor doesn't really have any of that, and when they drop a name you might know it's very casual, because it makes sense as a thing a person would know about in this world, and never with a sense that they're teasing a movie character showing up or anything

    Hilariously this resulted in more than a few content creators from that Youtube cottage industry of "Easter eggs you missed in Andor" type stuff getting outraged about what a bad show it was, either because they honestly can't enjoy a thing that doesn't reference a hundred other things, or because they knew they weren't going to be able to mine every episode for a shitty video. Equally likely reasons, I think

    I'm really glad that Andor is pushing the boundaries. Star Wars isn't a genre, its a setting, and it's incredibly important for their to be grim Espionage stories next to their cowboys and samurai fun nonsense.
    I grew up with the EU, which could vary from fate of the galaxy to "chewie needs to go home and teach his son not to be an asshole" and it feels lately that the franchise machine has been trying to make everything just fit the same genre, which sucks!

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I think there is plenty of room to have all kinds of stories.

    I'd still like that Rogue Squadron movie/show that seems to be in a will they or won't they type hell.

    I'd also like maybe a war movie from the perspective of the poor grunts the rebellion used a lot that were red shirted out the ass. Like you could even use the shock trooper idea that the terf bigot was, but hopefully not using her bigoted ass.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Oh she's too busy being the it girl for daily wire movies written by Ben sexually failing my doctor wife Shapiro

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I like anything that the Youtube cottage industry of "Easter eggs you missed in Andor" types hate

    Anything that robs them of joy delivers that joy to me instead

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Honestly Andor probably pisses them off anyway with all the minorities, women, and empire being assholes.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I like anything that the Youtube cottage industry of "Easter eggs you missed in Andor" types hate

    Anything that robs them of joy delivers that joy to me instead

    They are now doing videos on how andor is making it hard to do videos

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Top 10 things Andor does that makes it hard to do videos on Andor.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    God forbid every tv show isn’t just a deeply crosslinked wiki article.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    Well Cyberpunk Edgerunners was as good as it was hyped up to be. I really like how the show never really spent any time luxuriating in status quo.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    God forbid every tv show isn’t just a deeply crosslinked wiki article.

    Remember when shows used to just have episodes each week unrelated to each other beyond sharing characters? Like there wasn't an over arcing story of Night Court.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular

    WB has a lot of showrunners with deals, and while they do have their own distro outlet (HBOMax), they're also one of the few major studios who still makes shows for OTHER networks.

    A LOT of showrunners, especially showrunners from traditionally marginalized communities, were PISSED about the shuttering of the programs. And WB needs to keep showrunners happy, more than most places do, because those showrunners and their shows are ALSO the bridges into those outside networks where WB would like to continue selling shows.

    Showrunners were able to leverage their consolidated outrage, and almost entirely because WB has not yet been fully vertically integrated into one of the behemoth media conglomerates.

    Yet.

    Because it sure looks like Zaslav's every move is trying to make WB an appealing acquisition, letting them get folded into one of the megacorps, making sure none of these pesky artists can get uppity like this ever again.

  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    Well Cyberpunk Edgerunners was as good as it was hyped up to be. I really like how the show never really spent any time luxuriating in status quo.

    I especially appreciated how (BIG BIG EDGERUNNERS SPOILERS)
    knowing the studio behind it and how all of Studio Trigger's output involves and celebrates the power of hot-blood "follow your ideals and kick reason to the curb" logic completely subverts that by giving every hot-blooded character a tragic and bloody death.

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    I super like andor and really like the tone and the setting it’s putting down, but I just wish it would all move just a bit faster, I get the fact that moving slower allows them to sit on these things to super develop them, but I always finish an episode wishing there was a little bit more.

  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    I’m amazed both at the praise that Andor is getting and also that anyone thought that the coolest Star Wars show they could make would be about That Guy From Rogue One

    The moment they announced it I was like “who could possibly care” but it turns out if you do it good I’ll care about most anything, so I guess I should take a day to check it out!

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    I've only see the first two Andors but I really love that they used part of the runtime and budget to go "What if there was a big bell tower where some dude hammered a big anvil every hour"

    No plot relevance, doesn't say anything particular about the world. Just, "Cool new bell tower just dropped."

    That's so fun! That rules! Set designers, prop masters, sound design, background VFX, featured extra casting, all for "anvil bell tower dude."

    They're just really having fun, and I like that

  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited October 2022
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    nobody is talking about the wheel of time show

    We'll get back to it eventually

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    I’m amazed both at the praise that Andor is getting and also that anyone thought that the coolest Star Wars show they could make would be about That Guy From Rogue One

    The moment they announced it I was like “who could possibly care” but it turns out if you do it good I’ll care about most anything, so I guess I should take a day to check it out!

    I mean, Andor's intro scene in Rogue One is the most interesting thing to happen in the entire movie. The only two other things to lift from it would be sarcastic murderbot and Vader murders a bunch of dudes. Mandalorian already beat them to creepy cgi puppetry

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