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[NBA] Chris Paul has, once again, failed to win an NBA title

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Butters wrote: »
    I want to give the Cavs credit for cleaning up their free throws and offensive boards, but it's hard not to say the Knicks gave up early. They started out strong and even got Okoro out of the game with an early two fouls, but when Garland started to cook the Knicks just fell apart.

    Yeah the Cavs didn’t really need to do much this game and in fact, didn’t do much

    The Knicks shot like 32% for the game

    Edit: 37%, they must have heated up in garbage time

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    I want to give the Cavs credit for cleaning up their free throws and offensive boards, but it's hard not to say the Knicks gave up early. They started out strong and even got Okoro out of the game with an early two fouls, but when Garland started to cook the Knicks just fell apart.

    Yeah the Cavs didn’t really need to do much this game and in fact, didn’t do much

    The Knicks shot like 32% for the game

    Edit: 37%, they must have heated up in garbage time

    New York was going hard for the offensive boards in the first half and Cavs did legit meet the challenge, but most everything else was a gimme.

    This is going to be an interesting series.

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    Holy shit, Draymond suspended, lol. There goes the series.

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    TelMarine wrote: »
    Holy shit, Draymond suspended, lol. There goes the series.


    Reputation seems to be a key part, according to the statement

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Actually surprised they suspended him.

    Also apparently Sabonis has a sternum contusion and is listed as questionable (bet he plays, but sucks there was something that wouldn't show up on the initial xray).

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Honestly I don't know how anyone defends Draymond. First of all, the stomp was completely excessive and wholly unnecessary. Secondly, if you're going to stomp down with that much force you damn well better know what you're stomping on.

    So either he was being reckless or intentional, or intentionally reckless. Either way it was incredibly dangerous and potentially life-threatening. What if he landed on Sabonis's neck or head, or he caused some kind of heart attack, or he straight up destroyed some fingers?

  • KasynKasyn I'm not saying I don't like our chances. She called me the master.Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    TelMarine wrote: »
    Fiatil wrote: »
    Seriously, I want to know where you're running into these insane Warriors fans who think Draymond walks on water. Everyone I know who is a Warriors fan acknowledges that he can cross the line at times, and argues way too much with the refs.

    They're in this thread! There are actual humans in this thread who still think Draymond kicking Steven Adams square in the balls was a "natural shooting motion"!

    It's madness and chaos, but it's real! Sports fandom does crazy things to the brain sometimes.

    Who? Only Warriors fans here I'm aware of are me, dlinfiniti, and possibly Kasyn.

    Raised in SoCal but spent the last 11+ years in the Bay. Lakers fan with an affinity for the Dubs. Full disclosure, I own a Draymond jersey. The Town designs were too good to pass up and I love Oakland. Everyone's got a Curry jersey and Klay has had putrid performances every single time I've seen them live, which has been a lot over the years, to the point where I'm convinced it's a personal vendetta against me.

    Draymond is one of the most undeservedly shit on players I've seen in the league. He is also one of the most deservedly shit on players in the league. Both can be true. I think he's a generationally talented defensive genius that is somehow often underrated as a player. He also sucks at some things on the basketball court and gets appropriately memed on for it because he's a polarizing public figure. He's outspoken and intelligent and unusually self-reflective but also incredibly dumb and narrow-minded and full of silly excuses. He deserves blame for the 2016 Finals but doesn't deserve all of the blame, which is what he often gets. He attracts extremely polarized takes because that's what happens to polarizing and outspoken figures, he becomes a vessel for some of the worst instincts of sports media and the culture at large. I saw the same thing happen with Richard Sherman, Marshawn Lynch, and others.

    I think he's a mighty interesting person and player who doesn't get enough flak for some of the things he does, gets way too much for others, and is very often a flawed dumbass who can be hard to defend. You won't catch me unconditionally backing him every time he does his latest stupid and/or dangerous thing, but I'm also not terribly interested in seeing him or his supporters get straw manned.

    Basketball is richer for his being part of it.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Thats all very reasonable Kasyn.

    Man, Thursday is looking brutal. Kings Warriors and Clippers.Suns at the same time? Ouch.

    I love the NBA playoffs, but damn, it can feel hard to get a night off to like, go grocery shopping.

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    I'm surprised they actually suspended him, but it was the right move. Pretty much exactly what the statement said -- you can't give him the benefit of a doubt when it's recurring behavior.

    If we're playing pickup basketball and I kick you in the groin, maybe there is a path for me to convince you that it was an accident and maybe it was! If I do the same thing a week and a half later to you or someone else we're playing with, it wasn't an accident. You should go back and reexamine the first occasion because it also wasn't an accident; I've lost plausible deniability in both incidents.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    The suspension should have mentioned him trying to escalate the crowd on even further. Spectators should never cross the line of interacting with players directly, but that doesn't mean Green should be free to incite crowd. This isn't wrestling where the heel is all part of the show.

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  • A Kobold's KoboldA Kobold's Kobold He/Him MississippiRegistered User regular
    So, uh, *ahem*, it looks like last night Chris Paul won his first playoff game with Scott Foster in charge of reffing.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/chris-paul-breaks-infamous-losing-streak-vs-referee-scott-foster-as-suns-top-clippers-in-game-2/

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    here is JJ with some receipts
    https://streamable.com/73a4w3
    and he's not wrong
    the Kings have been getting away with a whole bunch of bullshit both on Dray and Steph
    Steph has been arguably more egregious starting from Len taking away his ankles in game 1 right in front of the ref and them basically mobbing the shit out of him every possession

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    here is JJ with some receipts
    https://streamable.com/73a4w3
    and he's not wrong
    the Kings have been getting away with a whole bunch of bullshit both on Dray and Steph
    Steph has been arguably more egregious starting from Len taking away his ankles in game 1 right in front of the ref and them basically mobbing the shit out of him every possession

    Lol posting this Reddick commentary as serious discussion. Your bit is hilarious, but maybe this one is taking it a bit too far. I do appreciate your commitment to the absurdity of it all though, no matter how crazy the take is. You gave me a good laugh at work so I won't say it's a bad thing.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Good to see ESPN found a proper replacement for Skip in Redick to play the vital role of "guy who takes himself and his takes way too fucking seriously 100% of the time." Totally not also a tired as shit bit that the sports world would be a better place without.

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  • Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 What are you? Some kind of half-assed astronaut?Registered User regular
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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Good to see ESPN found a proper replacement for Skip in Redick to play the vital role of "guy who takes himself and his takes way too fucking seriously 100% of the time." Totally not also a tired as shit bit that the sports world would be a better place without.

    How dare he have a different take! Yeesh. Not everyone is gonna agree with what you guys think, come on now.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    JFC it's not an either/or thing. He's pointing out that the Kings are playing physical, perhaps dirty, and getting away with it. Is that something worth putting in context? Sure. Does that excuse what Draymond did? No. Which is exactly what he was saying.

  • TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Butters wrote: »
    Good to see ESPN found a proper replacement for Skip in Redick to play the vital role of "guy who takes himself and his takes way too fucking seriously 100% of the time." Totally not also a tired as shit bit that the sports world would be a better place without.

    Duke!

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    no ja no problem
    needs more austin reaves

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Lebron's had a decent game, but i dont think he looks looks good enough to be the best player on a champion anymore, and neither does AD, for that matter.

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    no giannis no problem

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Xavier tillman seemed pretty likable in that interview.

  • KasynKasyn I'm not saying I don't like our chances. She called me the master.Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    Lebron's had a decent game, but i dont think he looks looks good enough to be the best player on a champion anymore, and neither does AD, for that matter.

    AD did as recently as game 1. His performance was fucking outrageous that game.

    It's an ice cold shooting game from the team and from AD. I think sleeping on an opponent everyone started writing off after the first game and getting slapped around in g2 is about as close to a scripted outcome as there is with the Lakers over the last few decades.

  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    What a blown opportunity for the Lakers to take the series momentum in a huge way. No Ja and they can't win. Yikes. Not to mention Lebron played a ton of minutes. Crazy what he's able to do at his age and 20 years of wear and tear.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Kasyn wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    Lebron's had a decent game, but i dont think he looks looks good enough to be the best player on a champion anymore, and neither does AD, for that matter.

    AD did as recently as game 1. His performance was fucking outrageous that game.

    It's an ice cold shooting game from the team and from AD. I think sleeping on an opponent everyone started writing off after the first game and getting slapped around in g2 is about as close to a scripted outcome as there is with the Lakers over the last few decades.

    AD was pretty good in that game, but only scored 22. Outside of that game, he's been held under 20 for like the last 5 or 6 games, I think.

    Of course before that, he scored 35 like 4 times in a row or something. He's just so up and down. That's why I don't think either he or Lebron look bad, just not "best player on a championship" level, which is a very high bar, imo (for example, I don't believe my favorite player, Dame, has ever been good enough to be the best player on a championship unless the team was really stacked or just a super great fit)

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    JFC it's not an either/or thing. He's pointing out that the Kings are playing physical, perhaps dirty, and getting away with it. Is that something worth putting in context? Sure. Does that excuse what Draymond did? No. Which is exactly what he was saying.

    It's not the take itself, it's the barking at everyone and even pointing at the lady (sorry don't know her name) co-host as he interrupted her that skeezes me out. It's just a very uncomfortable look and I never liked when Skip did it either.

    As for the take it wasn't without merit but he also conveniently ignored all the extra WWE shit Green pulled after the ejection that JJ was arguing should have been enough punishment.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Well at least the wolves decided they don't want to be embarrassed tonight

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Wow what a turnaround from a nearly unwatchable first half

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Lol 3 wolves starters with 5 fouls with 5 mins left

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    Wow what a turnaround from a nearly unwatchable first half

    40-23 3rd to make it a game. Way to wake up.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Ant Edwards is so good

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Lol Conley tricking all the refs

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  • KasynKasyn I'm not saying I don't like our chances. She called me the master.Registered User regular
    burbo wrote: »
    Kasyn wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    Lebron's had a decent game, but i dont think he looks looks good enough to be the best player on a champion anymore, and neither does AD, for that matter.

    AD did as recently as game 1. His performance was fucking outrageous that game.

    It's an ice cold shooting game from the team and from AD. I think sleeping on an opponent everyone started writing off after the first game and getting slapped around in g2 is about as close to a scripted outcome as there is with the Lakers over the last few decades.

    AD was pretty good in that game, but only scored 22. Outside of that game, he's been held under 20 for like the last 5 or 6 games, I think.

    Of course before that, he scored 35 like 4 times in a row or something. He's just so up and down. That's why I don't think either he or Lebron look bad, just not "best player on a championship" level, which is a very high bar, imo (for example, I don't believe my favorite player, Dame, has ever been good enough to be the best player on a championship unless the team was really stacked or just a super great fit)

    AD scored a pretty efficient 22 and had 7 blocks/3 steals in one of the best defensive performances I've ever seen.

    People have a habit of seeing that AD didn't score 30 and saying he didn't have a great game and the fact is he was an absolute defensive god that game.

  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Kasyn wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    Kasyn wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    Lebron's had a decent game, but i dont think he looks looks good enough to be the best player on a champion anymore, and neither does AD, for that matter.

    AD did as recently as game 1. His performance was fucking outrageous that game.

    It's an ice cold shooting game from the team and from AD. I think sleeping on an opponent everyone started writing off after the first game and getting slapped around in g2 is about as close to a scripted outcome as there is with the Lakers over the last few decades.

    AD was pretty good in that game, but only scored 22. Outside of that game, he's been held under 20 for like the last 5 or 6 games, I think.

    Of course before that, he scored 35 like 4 times in a row or something. He's just so up and down. That's why I don't think either he or Lebron look bad, just not "best player on a championship" level, which is a very high bar, imo (for example, I don't believe my favorite player, Dame, has ever been good enough to be the best player on a championship unless the team was really stacked or just a super great fit)

    AD scored a pretty efficient 22 and had 7 blocks/3 steals in one of the best defensive performances I've ever seen.

    People have a habit of seeing that AD didn't score 30 and saying he didn't have a great game and the fact is he was an absolute defensive god that game.

    And how was he this game?

    Thats what im saying, if he played like that every game, sure, he could be KG part 2, but he has a game like that, and a game like this.

    And tbh, individual defense is not as important in bball as individual offense, and we all understand that. For the simple fact that the offense mostly decides where the ball goes. Thats why the best defensive player in the league is rarely considered one of the best over players, unless they are also outstanding on offense.

    Nobody these days wins a title when their best player is a defensive ace and gets you an efficient 22.

    Now, just to contradict myself, i know both AD and Lebron can go on an extended tear and improve from here. I just havent been seeing that level of play yet.

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Lol what's with Dillon Brooks desperately trying to start beef with LeBron

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  • A Kobold's KoboldA Kobold's Kobold He/Him MississippiRegistered User regular
    Mike Brown has won coach of the year



    Sham Charania is a writer for the Athletic

    Apparently it was a unanimous first-place vote, as well



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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    edited April 2023
    Butters wrote: »
    JFC it's not an either/or thing. He's pointing out that the Kings are playing physical, perhaps dirty, and getting away with it. Is that something worth putting in context? Sure. Does that excuse what Draymond did? No. Which is exactly what he was saying.

    It's not the take itself, it's the barking at everyone and even pointing at the lady (sorry don't know her name) co-host as he interrupted her that skeezes me out. It's just a very uncomfortable look and I never liked when Skip did it either.

    As for the take it wasn't without merit but he also conveniently ignored all the extra WWE shit Green pulled after the ejection that JJ was arguing should have been enough punishment.

    Yeah this is my issue with it. It's a "technically he's right, but..." situation. Yeah, the Kings are doing stuff that isn't being called every time, and if you edit footage of the entire game down to a few plays you can see that clearly (just like....every team every game if you pick and choose 2-3 plays out of 48 minutes of basketball). It's playoff basketball and teams are trying to see what they can get away with to impede players. But there's a difference between grabbing a guy (which is absolutely a foul and should be called!) and stomping on their chest? The notion that he needed to stomp on his chest to "free himself" is absurd. He was already "free" when he stomped on his chest. I'll spare everyone the clip of Shannon Sharpe explaining that you don't need to stomp on someone's chest to free your leg, because JJ Reddick is enough of that first take style nonsense already.

    So seeing people take those clips and use them as a "See Draymond shouldn't have been suspended!" is ridiculous, and that is what JJ Reddick is doing (and most of the people I've seen parroting this clip as well). So yeah as such I'm pretty dismissive of the clip overall -- it's a weird partisan hit video where you ignore everything the Warriors are doing, edit footage of an entire game to show the Kings committing some uncalled fouls, and then somehow reach the conclusion of "Draymond is a victim and should not be suspended!" It's the basketball version of a heavily edited political hit advertisement.

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    Aaaand no Kawhi tonight. Such a good series on paper, and here we are....

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