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Fat Guy in a Little Seat - Airlines, ADA, and Accessability

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    enc0re wrote: »
    I absolutely agree that if we make all seats bigger, the allocation problem is solved. Does it really work out to $8 though? Seems too cheap.

    I say, don't fuck around with bigger seats for some people. Mandate that airlines give everyone who needs one an extra seat for free. (Some people need an extra seat because they are travelling with an aide for their disability, for instance. A bigger seat won't help when you have a literal second person!) Everyone pays in the form of increased ticket prices across the board. Like Canada does. Boom, done.

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    There’s only ever one or two people on a flight who need a wider seat. You could replace 3 economy seats with 2 wider seats and charge 50% more for them. Cheaper than an extra seat but should be good for plus sized folks.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    Make Joe and Jim have to acknowledge before purchase that they can be displaced by wider overbooks if necessary

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited July 2023
    Can't you fix Badger's solution in five minutes by saying you build 4 wider seats and you only make 2 of them available for marginal purchase? Then two people get a free upgrade every flight, unless Joe gets rebooked onto the flight in which case they're downgraded to what they paid for

    Edit: I'm not sure it's the best solution to the wider issue; just these particular attacks on it don't persuade me

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  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited July 2023
    Calica wrote: »
    enc0re wrote: »
    I absolutely agree that if we make all seats bigger, the allocation problem is solved. Does it really work out to $8 though? Seems too cheap.

    I say, don't fuck around with bigger seats for some people. Mandate that airlines give everyone who needs one an extra seat for free. (Some people need an extra seat because they are travelling with an aide for their disability, for instance. A bigger seat won't help when you have a literal second person!) Everyone pays in the form of increased ticket prices across the board. Like Canada does. Boom, done.

    Logistically, "two seats for some people" is the same as "bigger seats for some people". If you operate under a system where the people getting two seats pay the same as the ones getting one seat, you will have to come up with a way to handle allocation:

    1. If you do it at booking time, you need an objective criterion for eligibility and an enforcement mechanism against fraudulent self-reporting.
    2. If you do it at boarding time, you will have to do establish a preference ranking.

    Canada uses a mixed system from what I read. You need a physician-provided butt measurement to qualify. But the airline may not have an extra seat at booking, in which case tough luck.

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    And if you do it at boarding time you need to bump whoever would end up next to them which will definitely end up with people having very charitable thoughts to everyone involved

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    Slim Jim was right there.

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  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    Phyphor wrote: »
    And if you do it at boarding time you need to bump whoever would end up next to them which will definitely end up with people having very charitable thoughts to everyone involved

    Oh it would lead to straight up fistfights, it needs to be an at booking solution. Even though it is very rare, airlines deboarding people due to overselling flights is 1000% bullshit. Modern travel is just to interconnected for bumping people off flights to not lead to domino failures for peoples arraignments.

    Flights are super full right now. Every one of the 6 flights I've taken in the last month have had standby lists; some over a dozen people long. I had a coworker who had a flight from Charlotte to O'Hare canceled. People were getting rebooked on flights 3 entire days later, he ended up renting a car and driving the 12 hours.


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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
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    zepherin wrote: »
    As a heavy guy pro tip for airlines. Red eye flights only, and the aisle arm rest can come up, but there is a toggle you have to hit. It helps and I need a seatbelt extender. But after I do that I can swing my legs in the aisle.

    Depends on the airline/plane. This isn't always true.

    The toggle is in different areas, and the mechanism is often really different (trigger vs button vs slide), but I’ve seen it on Southwest jet blue delta and American Airlines. I don’t know about other airlines. I usually fly southwest.

    That Embraer that let me do G-force training for sure doesn't have it. The arm rest is a single piece all the way down.

    I actually had to come back and revisit this. While the arm rest does go down past the top of the seat, it doesn't go all the way down, and there in fact may be a lever/button on the bottom of the rest that allows it to be moved. I have no intention of being in a position to test but that would be neat. (Doubt you can have it up for take off but still.)

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Phyphor wrote: »
    And if you do it at boarding time you need to bump whoever would end up next to them which will definitely end up with people having very charitable thoughts to everyone involved

    Oh it would lead to straight up fistfights, it needs to be an at booking solution. Even though it is very rare, airlines deboarding people due to overselling flights is 1000% bullshit. Modern travel is just to interconnected for bumping people off flights to not lead to domino failures for peoples arraignments.

    Flights are super full right now. Every one of the 6 flights I've taken in the last month have had standby lists; some over a dozen people long. I had a coworker who had a flight from Charlotte to O'Hare canceled. People were getting rebooked on flights 3 entire days later, he ended up renting a car and driving the 12 hours.


    Could do the whole overbooking pay people to give up their seat thing, but that's pricy. Plus I think that'd go a bit beyond a reasonable accommodation if it gets to the point where they need to boot someone involuntarily. A second seat for free, sure. A second seat that means you fly but someone else is forced to miss their flight and lose however much of their vacation or whatever else would happen due to being bumped seems like a bit much. That's not the company taking the hit anymore.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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