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  • OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    I haven't exactly followed the sportsball section of gaming, but I would not be surprised to hear one day that Madden has rolled out a "premium" service where you pay for ongoing on the fly updates to player performance stats as the real world season goes by.


    The Madden IP and EA have been like this forever though, one can't say they did not know what they were signing up for at this point.

  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    It is really weird to me that anyone can buy an EA sportsball game these days without knowing this anymore. I wanna say it was '11 or '12 was the last Madden I played and fucking everything had a digital key of some sort I had to purchase in order to unlock basic game modes, and I said never again to that shit.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Anytime I see sportsball my ass itches. Like Madden is american football its not hard to say football.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Anytime I see sportsball my ass itches. Like Madden is american football its not hard to say football.

    Except EA also makes FIFA and does, if possible, even worse shit there. I think Thawmus was really trying to say any EA sports game.

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  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    furlion wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Anytime I see sportsball my ass itches. Like Madden is american football its not hard to say football.

    Except EA also makes FIFA and does, if possible, even worse shit there. I think Thawmus was really trying to say any EA sports game.

    Yeah, I understand "sportsball" to mean "sport I don't care about that the majority of people do at least right now because 'The Big Game' is soon".

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    It just feels reductive and dismissive of things people don't like that, that most of the same would be upset if someone dismissed something they liked with a dumb slang like it. Especially for something like madden or fifa, you can just say madden or fifa people know what sports they cover.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    On the BG3 side of the topic, as someone who really does not care much for hookup options in RPGs, I have genuine concerns that if I play BG3 I will be surrounded by an endless cavalcade of thirsty horndogs of every species. Because that seems to be the only thing anyone is talking about in regards to this game.

  • CrimeRobotCrimeRobot Registered User regular
    Maybe they'll patch in an "NPC thirstiness" slider, with levels ranging from "Jane Austen novel" all the way up to "Hentai".

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    Preacher wrote: »
    It just feels reductive and dismissive of things people don't like that, that most of the same would be upset if someone dismissed something they liked with a dumb slang like it. Especially for something like madden or fifa, you can just say madden or fifa people know what sports they cover.

    I say "sportsball" because I am intentionally reducing them all to essentially the same thing, a thing which I dismiss as being pointless to me. On the other hand, the term "sportsball" brings a smile to my face, as it is so silly.

    I am also fine when people who aren't into boardgames (modern or classic), tabletop rpgs, and card games (both custom and ones played with a standard deck) (aka "things I'm into") as "nerd shit."

    Got so much else to worry about this doesn't even make the list.

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  • OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    dennis wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    It just feels reductive and dismissive of things people don't like that, that most of the same would be upset if someone dismissed something they liked with a dumb slang like it. Especially for something like madden or fifa, you can just say madden or fifa people know what sports they cover.

    I say "sportsball" because I am intentionally reducing them all to essentially the same thing, a thing which I dismiss as being pointless to me. On the other hand, the term "sportsball" brings a smile to my face, as it is so silly.

    I am also fine when people who aren't into boardgames (modern or classic), tabletop rpgs, and card games (both custom and ones played with a standard deck) (aka "things I'm into") as "nerd shit."

    Got so much else to worry about this doesn't even make the list.

    Same. It's just shorthand to refer to an entire genre, of which there is actually more than just Madden existing within. I don't care enough about it to enshrine it with more specific language than that when the blanket term serves my purposes just as well. Plus I like being silly.

    On the BG3 side of the topic, as someone who really does not care much for hookup options in RPGs, I have genuine concerns that if I play BG3 I will be surrounded by an endless cavalcade of thirsty horndogs of every species. Because that seems to be the only thing anyone is talking about in regards to this game.

    Yeah the night after resolving the Grove issue one way or another, I found I had to be careful who I spoke to and what option I picked, even for companions I had sit on their hands at camp the entire time; ALL of them seemed ready to jump my character's bones out of nowhere, which was a bit offputting.

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  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
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    On the BG3 side of the topic, as someone who really does not care much for hookup options in RPGs, I have genuine concerns that if I play BG3 I will be surrounded by an endless cavalcade of thirsty horndogs of every species. Because that seems to be the only thing anyone is talking about in regards to this game.

    This is one of the reasons I haven't picked up the game yet. It could just be a matter of "sex sells", but while the game sounds awesome, I'm not interested in virtual sex and titillation.

    I would appreciate a slider or option to turn it off completely.

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    I think there are sliders to de-sex the game, but somebody who's actually played can confirm that for me

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    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • LtPowersLtPowers Registered User regular
    Same. It's just shorthand to refer to an entire genre, of which there is actually more than just Madden existing within.

    The word "sports" accomplishes that goal. The addition of "ball" on the end conveys a supposed inability to remember esoteric words like "football" or "baseball", thus implying not just disinterest but active dismissal and disparagement.

    If that's your goal, fine; it's a funny way to convey that. But don't pretend the connotation isn't there.


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  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    LtPowers wrote: »
    Same. It's just shorthand to refer to an entire genre, of which there is actually more than just Madden existing within.

    The word "sports" accomplishes that goal. The addition of "ball" on the end conveys a supposed inability to remember esoteric words like "football" or "baseball", thus implying not just disinterest but active dismissal and disparagement.

    If that's your goal, fine; it's a funny way to convey that. But don't pretend the connotation isn't there.


    Powers &8^]

    Like using the word "foot" to imply you interact with the ball primarily with your feet when you actually don't?

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    The "foot" means that the game is played on foot, not with the feet

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    The "foot" means that the game is played on foot, not with the feet

    <I assume you are joking but I like to try to think of edge cases> Short of the polos, I can't think of a lot of ball sports where feet aren't employed constantly by all participants. One Hand Reach (played in the World Eskimo-Inuit Olympics (which are referenced in Metal Gear Solid)) involves a ball and no feet on the ground or touching the ball.

    <edit> Having looked it up, is seems like American football probably does originate in the meaning of "played on foot". I still think it's misleading and unhelpful in a world where a huge number of sports meet that criteria.

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  • v2miccav2micca Registered User regular
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

  • v2miccav2micca Registered User regular
    The "foot" means that the game is played on foot, not with the feet

    One of my proudest moments was when I convinced my British Brother in law that we called it football because the ball was a foot long. My sister was very annoyed with me that she had to correct her husband.

  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    Preacher wrote: »
    It just feels reductive and dismissive of things people don't like that, that most of the same would be upset if someone dismissed something they liked with a dumb slang like it. Especially for something like madden or fifa, you can just say madden or fifa people know what sports they cover.

    A best friend's husband once got A LOT of dirty looks at a convention in the Boston area for berating a bunch of con-goers and their nerd cred who were sitting at a bar watching a football game. It was a playoff game and the New England Patriots were contenders for the Super Bowl. There's extra irony in that he also lives in Boston (though didn't grow up there) and now works as a personal trainer so he's literally a fitness nerd by trade.

    I'd say that as a whole a lot of us are more aware that a lot of geeks and nerds have interests beyond the traditional nerd shit and are also more sensitive to gatekeeping by some of our peers. This isn't the intent of everyone that views professional sports as some "here be dragons" land obviously, but the language choices can be similar and off putting at times.
    YoungFrey wrote: »
    The "foot" means that the game is played on foot, not with the feet

    <I assume you are joking but I like to try to think of edge cases> Short of the polos, I can't think of a lot of ball sports where feet aren't employed constantly by all participants. One Hand Reach (played in the World Eskimo-Inuit Olympics (which are referenced in Metal Gear Solid)) involves a ball and no feet on the ground or touching the ball.

    <edit> Having looked it up, is seems like American football probably does originate in the meaning of "played on foot". I still think it's misleading and unhelpful in a world where a huge number of sports meet that criteria.

    It's more specifically a reference to being able to score by running into the goal area with the ball, aka "on the foot," which is different from many other ball sports. Rugby is an obvious exception, which is to be expected as it's both the parent of American Football and the parent of calling the family of sports "football." This is one language oddity that is not the fault of Americans, it's very much a British thing (along with "Soccer" being another name for the other football, being a shortening of "Association Football" combined with dumb period British slang).

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    Big Dookie wrote: »
    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    v2micca wrote: »
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

    You literally share thoughts with them. I imagine that it ends up like the Netflix show Sens8, where all of the thought-sharing peeps end up in a big orgy.

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    I'd say that as a whole a lot of us are more aware that a lot of geeks and nerds have interests beyond the traditional nerd shit and are also more sensitive to gatekeeping by some of our peers. This isn't the intent of everyone that views professional sports as some "here be dragons" land obviously, but the language choices can be similar and off putting at times.

    I can't help how someone interprets my words, but for me it's the opposite of gatekeeping. It's me specifically saying that those are your gates and I'm outside of them doing my own thing. Much like I'm not an automage or a cardhound. And I also have never seen sportsball enthusiasm as apart from nerddom since a best friend and former college roommate is a huge sportsball fan. I see it more like Mike's joking about Jerry's pervert shit, like painting miniatures or playing D&D. Of course, we all know how that ended up. Maybe there's still hope for me embracing sportsball some day.

  • OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    dennis wrote: »
    I'd say that as a whole a lot of us are more aware that a lot of geeks and nerds have interests beyond the traditional nerd shit and are also more sensitive to gatekeeping by some of our peers. This isn't the intent of everyone that views professional sports as some "here be dragons" land obviously, but the language choices can be similar and off putting at times.

    I can't help how someone interprets my words, but for me it's the opposite of gatekeeping. It's me specifically saying that those are your gates and I'm outside of them doing my own thing. Much like I'm not an automage or a cardhound. And I also have never seen sportsball enthusiasm as apart from nerddom since a best friend and former college roommate is a huge sportsball fan. I see it more like Mike's joking about Jerry's pervert shit, like painting miniatures or playing D&D. Of course, we all know how that ended up. Maybe there's still hope for me embracing sportsball some day.

    And once again this. I have a lot of friends into sportsball. I'm just not into the genre and a good chunk of them aren't into my hobbies either. It doesn't mean I think anything less of them for enjoying it, it simply means I am aggressively not interested in it. And clearly communicating the lack of interest upfront does have a value in which when using it, I drastically reduce my odds of being ambushed with a discussion about whatever the latest drama is occurring in that genre, which is considerably more difficult to avoid ex post facto. No, I am not going to care about whatever Mahomes, Brady, or Tebow have been doing. And it's unfortunately necessary when people are such enthusiasts that they forget not everyone shares their enthusiasm.

    And in return I try not to bore them with trivia about hobbies I know they don't care about.

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  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    The companions being so thirsty is off-putting, especially when a couple of them just feel like gross dudes (possibly due to broken triggers?). But it's a very small part of the game.

    Happiness is within reach!
  • nialloniallo Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    It just feels reductive and dismissive of things people don't like that, that most of the same would be upset if someone dismissed something they liked with a dumb slang like it. Especially for something like madden or fifa, you can just say madden or fifa people know what sports they cover.

    It absolutely is. But it's a mild joke about something that is massively popular. It's definitely punching up. Well not even punching. Mildly tickling up?

    Maybe that's why it makes your ass itch.

  • nialloniallo Registered User regular
    v2micca wrote: »
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

    Larian talked a lot about this. Most RPG romances have sex as the goal and end of the relationship. They think that's bad storytelling and also kinda messed up. So they made the relationships so that sex might just be the beginning.

    Which is great.

    Of course it could be bugged. I fucked an ogre and a beholder, and they ghosted me.

  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    niallo wrote: »
    v2micca wrote: »
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

    Larian talked a lot about this. Most RPG romances have sex as the goal and end of the relationship. They think that's bad storytelling and also kinda messed up. So they made the relationships so that sex might just be the beginning.

    Which is great.

    Of course it could be bugged. I fucked an ogre and a beholder, and they ghosted me.

    Did you get a chance to play much of the game yet?

  • nialloniallo Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    niallo wrote: »
    v2micca wrote: »
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

    Larian talked a lot about this. Most RPG romances have sex as the goal and end of the relationship. They think that's bad storytelling and also kinda messed up. So they made the relationships so that sex might just be the beginning.

    Which is great.

    Of course it could be bugged. I fucked an ogre and a beholder, and they ghosted me.

    Did you get a chance to play much of the game yet?

    Actually yes. The Beholder-fucking was just creepy with the staring and stalking, but it didn't take long.

    I just started Act 3. 100 hours - I guess about 20 was in EA, just messing about really.

    It's amazing, and I have deliberately gone through with an unusual approach, so there's plenty of places, people, and quests I haven't experienced yet, and will enjoy playing again.

    One of the scenes - a complex mix of their script, my actions, and some emergent aspects of the rules - hit me so hard that I cried a little. I guess that makes that part in my top 3 most affective gaming moments, along with Aeris dying and the ending of Pillars of Eternity.

    niallo on
  • LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    I think there are sliders to de-sex the game, but somebody who's actually played can confirm that for me
    This makes me more interested in the game. So far I’ve found out there’s a “stream safe” mode, but with this being the internet, most people are more concerned with calling the person asking the question a prude than giving a helpful answer

  • LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    It just feels reductive and dismissive of things people don't like that, that most of the same would be upset if someone dismissed something they liked with a dumb slang like it. Especially for something like madden or fifa, you can just say madden or fifa people know what sports they cover.

    A best friend's husband once got A LOT of dirty looks at a convention in the Boston area for berating a bunch of con-goers and their nerd cred who were sitting at a bar watching a football game. It was a playoff game and the New England Patriots were contenders for the Super Bowl. There's extra irony in that he also lives in Boston (though didn't grow up there) and now works as a personal trainer so he's literally a fitness nerd by trade.

    I'd say that as a whole a lot of us are more aware that a lot of geeks and nerds have interests beyond the traditional nerd shit and are also more sensitive to gatekeeping by some of our peers. This isn't the intent of everyone that views professional sports as some "here be dragons" land obviously, but the language choices can be similar and off putting at times.
    YoungFrey wrote: »
    The "foot" means that the game is played on foot, not with the feet

    <I assume you are joking but I like to try to think of edge cases> Short of the polos, I can't think of a lot of ball sports where feet aren't employed constantly by all participants. One Hand Reach (played in the World Eskimo-Inuit Olympics (which are referenced in Metal Gear Solid)) involves a ball and no feet on the ground or touching the ball.

    <edit> Having looked it up, is seems like American football probably does originate in the meaning of "played on foot". I still think it's misleading and unhelpful in a world where a huge number of sports meet that criteria.

    It's more specifically a reference to being able to score by running into the goal area with the ball, aka "on the foot," which is different from many other ball sports. Rugby is an obvious exception, which is to be expected as it's both the parent of American Football and the parent of calling the family of sports "football." This is one language oddity that is not the fault of Americans, it's very much a British thing (along with "Soccer" being another name for the other football, being a shortening of "Association Football" combined with dumb period British slang).
    Even though I knew it was called association football, I never put 2 and 2 together to realize that’s how we got the word “soccer”

  • Armored ChocoboArmored Chocobo Registered User regular
    I heard that speedrunners have a Sex% where they try to get to a sex scene as soon as possible.

    They got it to under 8 minutes, but I think a NoSex% would be a much bigger feat.

  • RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    I heard that speedrunners have a Sex% where they try to get to a sex scene as soon as possible.

    They got it to under 8 minutes, but I think a NoSex% would be a much bigger feat.

    Incel%

    How quickly can you lock out all potential sex options (presumably by offending or killing every potential partner).

  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    Lttlefoot wrote: »
    I think there are sliders to de-sex the game, but somebody who's actually played can confirm that for me
    This makes me more interested in the game. So far I’ve found out there’s a “stream safe” mode, but with this being the internet, most people are more concerned with calling the person asking the question a prude than giving a helpful answer

    So a lot of Googling tells me there is an option that removes nudity and turns the sex scenes into a "fade to black" moment.

    But there was a ton of stuff to swim through to get to that answer.

    And yes, to an extent, it should be fair game to discuss SFW vs NSFW options in games. Wanting to remove sex scenes and nudity from a game doesn't make you a prude. There's just some gamers who don't want that in their D&D action romp. I'm not a prude, my wife road me like an animal last night, but that's more interesting to me that watching simulated sex between a Tiefling and a beholder.

    It'd be great if some of these games included a background for a person in a happily committed partnership that naturally removed every other NPC looking to bone down after saying six words to them.

    ironzerg on
  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited August 2023
    I do definitely wish there were options in games to essentially set a level of signal you might send to various characters. With everyone being extremely thirsty and playersexual it would be nice if early you could establish that you're just not interested in any or all of them, so they they never even come on to you.
    niallo wrote: »
    v2micca wrote: »
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

    Larian talked a lot about this. Most RPG romances have sex as the goal and end of the relationship. They think that's bad storytelling and also kinda messed up. So they made the relationships so that sex might just be the beginning.

    Which is nice but the current implementation makes it feel like there's no middle ground between leaving NPCs in camp and showing only the minimal interest to further their story quests and immediately having sex.

    Like I just want to be friends with some of these people.

    Tofystedeth on
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I do definitely wish there were options in games to essentially set a level of signal you might send to various characters. With everyone being extremely thirsty and playersexual it would be nice if early you could establish that you're just not interested in any or all of them, so they they never even come on to you.
    niallo wrote: »
    v2micca wrote: »
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

    Larian talked a lot about this. Most RPG romances have sex as the goal and end of the relationship. They think that's bad storytelling and also kinda messed up. So they made the relationships so that sex might just be the beginning.

    Which is nice but the current implementation makes it feel like there's no middle ground between leaving NPCs in camp and showing only the minimal interest to further their story quests and immediately having sex.

    Like I just want to be friends with some of these people.

    Reminds me of how in ME 1 you got experience for talking to your companions, but talking to your companions was also how you initiated romance, so sometimes you'd get into a relationship just by trying to get a god damn level up.

    LEAVE ME ALONE LIARA I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS DANGEROUS AND LONELY!

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    "I was just trying to increment the numbers on my character sheet, not my bedpost!" :D

  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I do definitely wish there were options in games to essentially set a level of signal you might send to various characters. With everyone being extremely thirsty and playersexual it would be nice if early you could establish that you're just not interested in any or all of them, so they they never even come on to you.
    niallo wrote: »
    v2micca wrote: »
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

    Larian talked a lot about this. Most RPG romances have sex as the goal and end of the relationship. They think that's bad storytelling and also kinda messed up. So they made the relationships so that sex might just be the beginning.

    Which is nice but the current implementation makes it feel like there's no middle ground between leaving NPCs in camp and showing only the minimal interest to further their story quests and immediately having sex.

    Like I just want to be friends with some of these people.

    Reminds me of how in ME 1 you got experience for talking to your companions, but talking to your companions was also how you initiated romance, so sometimes you'd get into a relationship just by trying to get a god damn level up.

    LEAVE ME ALONE LIARA I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS DANGEROUS AND LONELY!

    There was always ways to get the exp without triggering the romance and an "off ramp" option to abort it without affecting loyalty if you didn't mean to, but Mass Effect's dialog wheel would too often put romance and friendship dialog in the slots usually reserved for paragon and renegade, and sometimes the little 3 word prompt wouldn't really represent what followed when you selected it.

  • RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I do definitely wish there were options in games to essentially set a level of signal you might send to various characters. With everyone being extremely thirsty and playersexual it would be nice if early you could establish that you're just not interested in any or all of them, so they they never even come on to you.
    niallo wrote: »
    v2micca wrote: »
    So, I'll go ahead an put this out as a disclaimer, I may suck at gaming, and I definitely suck at min-maxing characters within the confines of the 5e system as presented in Baldur's Gate 3. But yeah, I found it to be a kind of curious dichotomy that so many parts of the game were just so challenging, I'm party wiping and save scumming a minimum of two times per hour of gameplay, yet Romancing options seem strangely easy. You smile at a party member and they are ready to fall into bed with you. I've already had to let down easy three members of the party, and I hadn't even tried to romance them.

    Larian talked a lot about this. Most RPG romances have sex as the goal and end of the relationship. They think that's bad storytelling and also kinda messed up. So they made the relationships so that sex might just be the beginning.

    Which is nice but the current implementation makes it feel like there's no middle ground between leaving NPCs in camp and showing only the minimal interest to further their story quests and immediately having sex.

    Like I just want to be friends with some of these people.

    Reminds me of how in ME 1 you got experience for talking to your companions, but talking to your companions was also how you initiated romance, so sometimes you'd get into a relationship just by trying to get a god damn level up.

    LEAVE ME ALONE LIARA I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS DANGEROUS AND LONELY!

    There was always ways to get the exp without triggering the romance and an "off ramp" option to abort it without affecting loyalty if you didn't mean to, but Mass Effect's dialog wheel would too often put romance and friendship dialog in the slots usually reserved for paragon and renegade, and sometimes the little 3 word prompt wouldn't really represent what followed when you selected it.

    "What about me" in Mass Effect One was awful.

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