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[Unity] The place where game devs unite to bitch about a game engine

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    PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Though not looking forward to when we start to get old games that no longer play well with current operating systems. You figure there is a point where once people agree it's a dead engine, you'll eventually hit a point where no one is really do anything to make a setup where all the old game that have a unity engine will continue to play nice with current OS's. Though will be interesting to see how much media ends up as lost media after that happens. Like I figure you'll probably get a few titles that were absolute hits that fall into that hole because they are either in legal limbo or the IP holder decides to be an asshole dragon that is greedily guarding it's hoard and deems that the games just aren't enough enough to remake. Also figure there will be a shit ton of mediocre and dogshit mobile games falling into that pit because they were only made to be cash grabs.

    That has already happened and will probably continue happening at some rate. Go try to play a game from the mid-2000s, a good chunk won't work or will be glitchy

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    KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    edited September 2023
    GSM wrote: »
    Still an absolute mess. Why are they even offering the insane install count thing alongside a rev share? Who is going to pick that?

    Well think of it as Free to Play vs Pay to Play.
    • Free to play games developed in Unity would suffer so so much from the pay per install, and would benefit (read: survive) from the 2.5% rev share comparatively.
    • Pay to play games would probably benefit from the pay per install since they are asking for $.20 per install and that is probably less than 2.5%. Even at a price of like $20 a game, the user would have to install the game 3 separate times to match the 2.5% rev share.

    Of course that is ignoring the piracy and reporting metrics and just fucking brokenness of it, but yeah. On paper it would monetarily benefit the Pay to Play games to take the installs over rev share.

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    Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    Still an absolute mess. Why are they even offering the insane install count thing alongside a rev share? Who is going to pick that?

    I think they said whichever one is cheaper will apply.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod


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    How stupid does whatever damage control PR consultant they hired to manage their social media think we are?

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    "was framed across the Internet" still has some "no, it's the children's who are wrong."

    They still don't want to accept responsibility!!

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
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    DibbitDibbit Registered User regular


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    How stupid does whatever damage control PR consultant they hired to manage their social media think we are?

    Did they also remove the section from the TOS because people didn’t read it, or how did they spin that?

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
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    GSMGSM Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    "The views were too low" is doubly ridiculous, because firstly, a public changelog of your TOS is (and I cannot believe I have to say this) NOT a marketing tool. It is a system of transparency and a public promise. It is not an ad spend. And secondly, it's not even a spend at all, because a simple public repo on Github is free. It cost them literally nothing to keep it around. Pretending they got rid of it for "low engagement" is just another lie.

    This is so shameful. When are they going to finally be done embarrassing themselves?

    edit: I love the chat on that Q&A. It's just a constant stream of "FIRE JOHN RICCITIELLO" and "Unionize Unity!". Pretty great.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    Dibbit wrote: »
    V1m wrote: »
    I found the Sungrand guy's comments very interesting because one of the points that he made was that Unity have been neglecting the "make our software better for actually making games with" part for several years, and focused almost entirely on monetisiation, so this current situation is basically Sungrand's "they showed us who they were and now we believe it" moment.

    I have privately thought this about Unity, but in a slightly different way: Namely, Prototyping with Unity is super quick. Making a little tutorial that does "complicated thing X": that's pretty easy.
    Actually having a big project in Unity: Pretty disastrous, and yeah, everything gets more complicated when the scope expands.

    But Unity has a knack of layering of having all these systems and it just becomes a complex mess. I had to look back at a project my lead dev did a year ago, and just finding out where things happened was an adventure.
    Partly, this is our fault, be more consistent and all, but Unity doesn't help at all.

    It's like a screwdriver that's been rolled in glue and broken glass. Fine for light work, fine if you take the extra step of putting on gloves, but - god damn - there are other screwdrivers; why the fuck are we paying a fee to use this one?

    Just caught up on that thread, didn't want to necro it, just wanted to give thanks for how validating it was to hear someone else have the same struggles we did.

    Especially the "Two computers building the same source yields very different results" bullshit.

    Edit: Well shit, meant to PM that and now I've gone and necro'd it anyway! Palm, meet face.

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Nah, the Necro is good. I'm not a dev, but this topic is of serious interest to me and it's been a good news source

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    OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    If the thread hasn’t been dead for five years it’s just sparkling resurrection.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    A week and a half isn't necro-ing. Hell, it's not even turning Alex Murphy into Robocop.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    D&D has had threats arise from obscurity several months after lying dormant. A week plus is nothing.

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    GSMGSM Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    They are going to be so terrified when even this CEO sacrifice doesn't stanch the bleeding. They've tried everything, except actually stopping doing the thing that caused people to complain in the first place.

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    -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    They are going to be so terrified when even this CEO sacrifice doesn't stanch the bleeding. They've tried everything, except actually stopping doing the thing that caused people to complain in the first place.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOTyUfOHgas

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    They are going to be so terrified when even this CEO sacrifice doesn't stanch the bleeding. They've tried everything, except actually stopping doing the thing that caused people to complain in the first place.

    Well, it's possible that a new CEO has the brains to see how fucked they are from that, but... unlikely.

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    DaimarDaimar A Million Feet Tall of Awesome Registered User regular
    The new CEO is Bobby Kotick

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    NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    Daimar wrote: »
    The new CEO is Bobby Kotick

    don't put that evil on us

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    Daimar wrote: »
    The new CEO is Bobby Kotick
    I only wanted delicous cold Frogurt. :|:/

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited October 2023
    Polaritie wrote: »
    GSM wrote: »
    They are going to be so terrified when even this CEO sacrifice doesn't stanch the bleeding. They've tried everything, except actually stopping doing the thing that caused people to complain in the first place.

    Well, it's possible that a new CEO has the brains to see how fucked they are from that, but... unlikely.

    It might have worked better if it was a proper sacrifice. A little breach of corporate decorum, as a treat, to underscore that they understood what an egregious breach of trust this was.

    A statement showering the outgoing scapegoat with praise is, I suspect, really not what was needed to restore trust in the board itself here; particularly not when it reminds people that the scapegoat in question was a member of it.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    I wonder what company he will be put in charge of to run into the ground next?

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Aegeri wrote: »
    I wonder what company he will be put in charge of to run into the ground next?

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    Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    YongYea has a good video up on Riccitiello getting the boot, and why it's not really going to fix the cancer that infests the company. Especially since he's being replaced by one Tomer Bar Zeev, CEO of the company ironSource. This is the company that's been deemed malware disguised as a monetization engine that Unity bought for some reason.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-zXIBy3u9U

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    RetabaRetaba A Cultist Registered User regular
    Wait, the new ceo is that guy? I thought he was the main drive behind the new fees and stuff as a way to push his competitors out of Unity because they were offering no fees if you subscribed to his malware? Putting him in as the ceo is even worse.

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    ThegreatcowThegreatcow Lord of All Bacons Washington State - It's Wet up here innit? Registered User regular
    Retaba wrote: »
    Wait, the new ceo is that guy? I thought he was the main drive behind the new fees and stuff as a way to push his competitors out of Unity because they were offering no fees if you subscribed to his malware? Putting him in as the ceo is even worse.

    And the icing on the shit-cake is Tomar is one of the boardmembers that liquidated something like 50k+ shares of the company before this whole announcement kicked off, so both him and John probably were aware of the shitstorm about to hit and decided to pad their bank accounts while burning the whole company down.

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