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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    Ah so might want to hold off on that one since it'd take most of my wildcards.

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Sonelan wrote: »
    I am looking at decks for standard and like every deck needs 40 rares jesus.

    Most decks run 2+ colors and most good multi-colored lands are rares, which means there’s a significant up-front investment of rares to build any multicolored deck, but additional decks that use the same colors are relatively cheap.

    Not helpful for you, of course.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Yeah, the Mishra's Factories are nice to have but can be replaced with more mountains if you lack wildcards, and see the last page for some creature substitutions you can do. I think the Coyote and Roadrunner from the new set might also be solid options to sub in, especially the coyote since it can boost a t1 swiftspear.

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    I think I might hate blue decks. They just constantly use low mana spells to counter all my stuff.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    yep!

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    That's the normal response to blue, yes.

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    Its the type of deck so far I feel like I can't do anything about.

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    I love blue as a color and blue black specifically

    Types: Boom + Robo | Food: Sweet | Habitat: Plains
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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    I think I need to look into a deck with artifact or equip removal.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited April 30
    Trying to build a deck to destroy a specific kind of problem is usually not great, it's better to have a gameplan you can destroy and interaction that helps achieve that gameplan.

    Equipment is generally not a huge meta threat and you can always deal with it by killing the creature its equipped to, which gets you where you want to go (their face)

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    edited April 30
    I don't mean specifically for that I mean a deck that has some means of doing it at all. My starter deck has no way to. Also enchantments.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 30
    Blue feels like bullshit that they get to say "no" to you playing cards, and I hate playing against blue decks, but they have to burn their own card to do that, and hold back mana to cast the counter, etc.
    Sometimes this works for them, they have answers in hand to everything you wanted to do and they just freeze you out until they can win. Sometimes you just put out too much stuff for them to deal with all of it.
    It definitely FEELS like bullshit though.

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    Oh I don't think blue is OP. I just hate playing against it.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    The answer against blue is to keep digging. There's good odds, especially in standard, that your gas can outlast their brakes.

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    I think I’m kind of glad that I’m probably not picking up anything until bloomburrow, commander wise. I’ve reached a point now where I’m upgrading precons and then not playing them a ton because by the time I’ve got the smooth draft of the upgrade, a new deck is coming out.

    I played my upgraded Mirko deck this weekend and it was like oh man this deck rules this is so dumb and fun, just constantly surveiling, then reviving dudes with mirko and taking their finality counters off with some cards I added to the deck to repeatedly cheat them onto the battlefield for multiple etb effects, super fun.

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    edited April 30
    Sonelan wrote: »
    Oh I don't think blue is OP. I just hate playing against it.

    One of the best ways to get over that is to play a blue deck for a bit and get a sense of when you, as the blue player, are having trouble. You'll notice the times when, for example, your opponent plays an efficient creature on 2 mana that you were unable to counterspell. Or the times when your opponent baits a counterspell out of your hand by playing a threatening card just before playing something even worse.

    And you're more likely to notice these things when you play your own blue deck.

    Though I do recognize that this is tough when you're playing on Arena and you don't have a lot of wildcards to spend.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Important to remember control doesn't win a game, it buys time. Push them to have as little time as you can.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Sonelan wrote: »
    I don't mean specifically for that I mean a deck that has some means of doing it at all. My starter deck has no way to. Also enchantments.

    A deck doesn't need to be able to do that, though. Red White convoke doesnt remove artifacts or enchantments or even really other creatures, it just kills people.

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Sonelan wrote: »
    I don't mean specifically for that I mean a deck that has some means of doing it at all. My starter deck has no way to. Also enchantments.

    A deck doesn't need to be able to do that, though. Red White convoke doesnt remove artifacts or enchantments or even really other creatures, it just kills people.

    This is a necessary step though

    Dont skip steps in the process, build that all removal for everything deck

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    The simplest way to remove anything is to simply remove the player who owns them.

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    jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    Honestly for a beginner decks like RDW and mono-green ramp/stompy are where the focus should be IMO. As noted above manabase is usually the largest rare sink so these types of decks solve that problem right off the bat. They’re fairly straightforward to pilot, and you will start to get a good sense of where you are from a positional standpoint faster during games.

    Plus turning creatures sideways is how magic started so there’s that too…

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    admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Mono-blue tempo has been a pretty reliable budget deck for a while. I think that’s still true.

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    jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    @Sonelan

    here are a couple pauper (no rare/mythic) decks you can import directly into arena (decks -> import). Just copy to clipboard one at a time. First is a RDW variant. Second is a G/W enchantments variant. Both can be built off as bases when you get more rares if you choose to do so. they will play differently so you can see what type of style you prefer.

    Deck
    3 The Autonomous Furnace (ONE) 247
    4 Kumano Faces Kakkazan (NEO) 152
    17 Mountain (OTJ) 284
    4 Monastery Swiftspear (BRO) 144
    2 Scorching Shot (OTJ) 145
    4 Phoenix Chick (DMU) 140
    4 Reckless Lackey (OTJ) 140
    4 Monstrous Rage (WOE) 142
    4 Play with Fire (MID) 154
    4 Lightning Strike (DMU) 137
    4 Shock (MKM) 144
    2 Invasion of Regatha (MOM) 148
    4 Stoke the Flames (MOM) 166


    Deck
    4 Generous Visitor (NEO) 185
    12 Forest (OTJ) 286
    4 Jukai Naturalist (NEO) 225
    12 Plains (OTJ) 278
    4 Michiko's Reign of Truth (NEO) 29
    4 Spirited Companion (NEO) 38
    4 Audacity (BRO) 169
    4 Ossification (ONE) 26
    4 Botanical Brawler (MOM) 220
    2 Syr Armont, the Redeemer (WOE) 214
    4 Crowd-Control Warden (MKM) 193
    2 Sigardian Paladin (VOW) 247

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    jmcdonald wrote: »
    @Sonelan

    here are a couple pauper (no rare/mythic) decks you can import directly into arena (decks -> import). Just copy to clipboard one at a time. First is a RDW variant. Second is a G/W enchantments variant. Both can be built off as bases when you get more rares if you choose to do so. they will play differently so you can see what type of style you prefer.

    Deck
    3 The Autonomous Furnace (ONE) 247
    4 Kumano Faces Kakkazan (NEO) 152
    17 Mountain (OTJ) 284
    4 Monastery Swiftspear (BRO) 144
    2 Scorching Shot (OTJ) 145
    4 Phoenix Chick (DMU) 140
    4 Reckless Lackey (OTJ) 140
    4 Monstrous Rage (WOE) 142
    4 Play with Fire (MID) 154
    4 Lightning Strike (DMU) 137
    4 Shock (MKM) 144
    2 Invasion of Regatha (MOM) 148
    4 Stoke the Flames (MOM) 166


    Deck
    4 Generous Visitor (NEO) 185
    12 Forest (OTJ) 286
    4 Jukai Naturalist (NEO) 225
    12 Plains (OTJ) 278
    4 Michiko's Reign of Truth (NEO) 29
    4 Spirited Companion (NEO) 38
    4 Audacity (BRO) 169
    4 Ossification (ONE) 26
    4 Botanical Brawler (MOM) 220
    2 Syr Armont, the Redeemer (WOE) 214
    4 Crowd-Control Warden (MKM) 193
    2 Sigardian Paladin (VOW) 247

    Thanks. I am trying the G/W one first since I only had enough to make one, but I imported both

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    Does Arena ever like bug out? Its been my opponent's turn for a couple minutes now and it hasn't even used his extra time token.

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    jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    Sonelan wrote: »
    Does Arena ever like bug out? Its been my opponent's turn for a couple minutes now and it hasn't even used his extra time token.

    All. The. Time.

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    edited May 1
    jmcdonald wrote: »
    Sonelan wrote: »
    Does Arena ever like bug out? Its been my opponent's turn for a couple minutes now and it hasn't even used his extra time token.

    All. The. Time.

    Well boo. Guess I better just concede then. edit: Oh won't even let me do that.

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    BoomerAang SquadBoomerAang Squad Registered User regular
    If you notice it quick enough, you can ALT+F4 and relaunch the game and sometimes rejoin the match before all your timers burn out.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    If you notice it quick enough, you can ALT+F4 and relaunch the game and sometimes rejoin the match before all your timers burn out.

    And even then weird things tend to happen. But yes, if you think the program is hanging then it probably is.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited May 1
    EDIT: Not sure how that double-post happened but Vanilla gonna Vanilla.

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    Hey @jmcdonald how would I go about building out that G/W deck? Its clicking pretty well with me since its alot like the commander decks I have played with my brother.

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    jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    Sonelan wrote: »
    Hey @jmcdonald how would I go about building out that G/W deck? Its clicking pretty well with me since its alot like the commander decks I have played with my brother.

    https://mtga.untapped.gg/meta/decks/845/selesnya-enchantments/AAQAAQLCpiHVYAL5sSDZpQkAC_slntkBvIMgI7AEMEYvztcDovcDlaYBAgWHBQUBAA?tab=overview

    Here’s a successful version from the current meta. Just start replacing the cards that aren’t in it with ones that are.

    Probably weaver, Kami, calix, katilda in that order. The lands will help smooth but they’re not critical to how the deck “functions”

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    jmcdonald wrote: »
    Sonelan wrote: »
    Hey @jmcdonald how would I go about building out that G/W deck? Its clicking pretty well with me since its alot like the commander decks I have played with my brother.

    https://mtga.untapped.gg/meta/decks/845/selesnya-enchantments/AAQAAQLCpiHVYAL5sSDZpQkAC_slntkBvIMgI7AEMEYvztcDovcDlaYBAgWHBQUBAA?tab=overview

    Here’s a successful version from the current meta. Just start replacing the cards that aren’t in it with ones that are.

    Probably weaver, Kami, calix, katilda in that order. The lands will help smooth but they’re not critical to how the deck “functions”

    Well I got everything but the brushland and razorverge thanks.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited May 1
    I definitely thought blue counterspells were annoying and bad, anti-fun design when I was first getting back into the game this past year.

    But this was before I realized that removal is not just an effect, it's a fundamental building block of the game — and other colours have tons of removal of their own. Counterspells are just flexible, preemptive removal, and they're removal that can (often) target instants and sorceries.

    It does feel bad to have your spell countered! And it feels pretty much exactly as bad to have your big creature die to Doom Blade (unless it's got a great ETB). But it feels really good to have your own Doom Blade, hold back when they cast a big threat, and then remove the next, even bigger threat, because you saw what was happening and made a sound tactical decision.

    Theoretically, I mean. I've heard of sound tactical decisions, in the abstract.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    my girlfriend doesn't play with me anymore after i played marchesa and took control of all her creatures with mob rule and then sacrificed them to own them permanently

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    ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    my girlfriend doesn't play with me anymore after i played marchesa and took control of all her creatures with mob rule and then sacrificed them to own them permanently

    And has she said when you're allowed to stop sleeping on the couch?

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    BadablackBadablack Registered User regular
    This new set has finally allowed me to unleash the full power of tribal lizards.

    It's mostly just putting down Laughing Jasper Flint and winning matches though.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    MH3 leaks article is back up and functioning properly.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Does it include the Jund commander cards that leaked a couple hours after the article went live?

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Don't be silly you know it doesn't include them or the eldrazi ones

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