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Penny Arcade - Comic - Gaming The System

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Gaming The System!

Penny Arcade - Comic - Gaming The System

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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  • OverkillengineOverkillengine Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Skill issue.

    (before anyone gets their knickers in a knot: facetious)

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    The worst is when they import their parents character that's already at max level.

  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited November 2023
    I don't really see the punchline here? P2W is a pretty well established bad concept now. I feel like I'm missing something.

    Edit: maybe it's a veiled reference to Musk has he done something extra horrible lately, I try not to pay much attention to him?

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    "I resent the entire notion of a body as an ante and then raise you a generalized dissatisfaction with physicality itself" -- Tycho
  • palidine40palidine40 Registered User regular
    I feel like I'm missing something.

    When watching the news, you don't get to Not hear the stories that have already happened before. The world needs to renew their knowledge of lessons every generation. I've left quite a few games due to pay to win models ruining them, sometimes halfway through them (cough, overwatch, cough).

  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Fair enough, I'm certainly anti-P2W in general and getting people to think about how bad of idea it is is probably valuable.

    Maybe I assumed this SH spin off is single player and P2W is somewhat less bad in a single player context. It's like that comic where gabe spends $20 on a mount and it's single player so he's "not showing that shit off in Ironforge".

    Funny with everything I hate about what they did to overwatch esp with 2, the new business model isn't really a problem for me, it's not P2W all that crap you could buy was cosmetics. It's just you could earn the cosmetics honestly before and they removed that which was a bummer but not why I left. Ieft because 5v5 is just too damn small and the entire direction of the game had been just garbage since at least Role Queue. I'm still pissed about them changing Sym.

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    "I resent the entire notion of a body as an ante and then raise you a generalized dissatisfaction with physicality itself" -- Tycho
  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    edited November 2023
    I'll go ahead and dissect the frog.

    Pay to win game models = politics / ultra elite rich society etc


    There. Frog's dead. Call it.

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    I think the thing people might be missing in this version of the P2W joke is that it ties directly to voting and rich people being in control. This strip is real world satire. The last three dialog bubbles aren't about the game anymore.

  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I'm gonna guess no that's probably not it because they generally avoid politics like the plague because obviously. I think you might be assuming that because everyone has that stuff constantly bouncing around in our heads because social media is unhealthy.

    I guess we'll find out when the post goes up

    "I resent the entire notion of a body as an ante and then raise you a generalized dissatisfaction with physicality itself" -- Tycho
  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Rich people can't literally buy votes, only indirectly via things like lobbiest and PACs. As much as it may seem that way sometimes. Liberals I may not be one of you but our interests are aligned at the moment so let me help you out : yall need to get over blaming generic rich people for everything. Be specific! That particular rich guy is fucking things up! Or talk about the systems like PACs that result in them having seemingly outsized influence. Because to the center it sounds like jealousy or classism or something. I know it's not because I've lived in a city so long I'm sort of culturally liberal and so I speak your language, but I also know how this stuff is perceived by everyone to the right of me and yall seem to be completely oblivious to that perspective.

    Uh okay putting my phone down for a while not sure where I was going with that except to be more thoughtful. Politics needs to calm down several degrees.

    "I resent the entire notion of a body as an ante and then raise you a generalized dissatisfaction with physicality itself" -- Tycho
  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    I'd prefer to just eat the rich.

    Or tax them back into reality.

  • PyrianPyrian Registered User regular
    It's like auctioning off the narrative choices, except they get to keep the losing bids as well as the winning bids.

  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Rich people can't literally buy votes, only indirectly via things like lobbiest and PACs. As much as it may seem that way sometimes. Liberals I may not be one of you but our interests are aligned at the moment so let me help you out : yall need to get over blaming generic rich people for everything. Be specific! That particular rich guy is fucking things up! Or talk about the systems like PACs that result in them having seemingly outsized influence. Because to the center it sounds like jealousy or classism or something. I know it's not because I've lived in a city so long I'm sort of culturally liberal and so I speak your language, but I also know how this stuff is perceived by everyone to the right of me and yall seem to be completely oblivious to that perspective.

    Uh okay putting my phone down for a while not sure where I was going with that except to be more thoughtful. Politics needs to calm down several degrees.

    What is this, who are you arguing with

  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Nobody? I think I started just asserting that no you can't literally buy votes, but went off in a probably ill advised side tangent about liberals being bad at messaging and knowing ones audience and trying to give some advice. But that wasn't really my point.

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    "I resent the entire notion of a body as an ante and then raise you a generalized dissatisfaction with physicality itself" -- Tycho
  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited November 2023
    edit: nevermind

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  • Johnny17Johnny17 Registered User regular
    The big book of Konami jokes.

  • RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    This is different than regular PTW. Whether by difference in kind or just difference in scope, I don't think matters.

    This is not a game letting you buy a gun (partly because by many definitions, it's not a game. It's a webseries). It's a narrative letting people buy control over how the story plays out. Other people get to buy the right to change the story you watch. Which I guess isn't exactly a difference in kind because someone buying the fancy gun and shooting me with it is a form of them buying control over my experience.

    Still, this is once again demonstrating that if we can dream a way corporations will ruin art by the ways they monetize it, they will figure out a way to do that, but worse. In light of how quickly and dramatically movie studios change course in response to feedback, I posited a dystopian nightmare where every person sits down to watch a movie and gets one custom made to what the algorithm assumes they want from the story. Konami considered this and thought, "yes, that, but how about instead of a movie custom made to you (which is a bad enough idea already), what about a movie custom made to the whims of the highest bidding trolls and/or whales".

  • Johnny17Johnny17 Registered User regular
    This is different than regular PTW. Whether by difference in kind or just difference in scope, I don't think matters.

    This is not a game letting you buy a gun (partly because by many definitions, it's not a game. It's a webseries). It's a narrative letting people buy control over how the story plays out. Other people get to buy the right to change the story you watch. Which I guess isn't exactly a difference in kind because someone buying the fancy gun and shooting me with it is a form of them buying control over my experience.

    Still, this is once again demonstrating that if we can dream a way corporations will ruin art by the ways they monetize it, they will figure out a way to do that, but worse. In light of how quickly and dramatically movie studios change course in response to feedback, I posited a dystopian nightmare where every person sits down to watch a movie and gets one custom made to what the algorithm assumes they want from the story. Konami considered this and thought, "yes, that, but how about instead of a movie custom made to you (which is a bad enough idea already), what about a movie custom made to the whims of the highest bidding trolls and/or whales".

    Well you can already buy ad space...

  • RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Johnny17 wrote: »
    This is different than regular PTW. Whether by difference in kind or just difference in scope, I don't think matters.

    This is not a game letting you buy a gun (partly because by many definitions, it's not a game. It's a webseries). It's a narrative letting people buy control over how the story plays out. Other people get to buy the right to change the story you watch. Which I guess isn't exactly a difference in kind because someone buying the fancy gun and shooting me with it is a form of them buying control over my experience.

    Still, this is once again demonstrating that if we can dream a way corporations will ruin art by the ways they monetize it, they will figure out a way to do that, but worse. In light of how quickly and dramatically movie studios change course in response to feedback, I posited a dystopian nightmare where every person sits down to watch a movie and gets one custom made to what the algorithm assumes they want from the story. Konami considered this and thought, "yes, that, but how about instead of a movie custom made to you (which is a bad enough idea already), what about a movie custom made to the whims of the highest bidding trolls and/or whales".

    Well you can already buy ad space...

    Again, you can make an argument that it's not a difference in kind (though I'm not sure this is a particularly reasonable argument to that effect), but it's absolutely a difference in scope and a pretty big one.


    edit: my sarcasm detector requires calibration

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  • Johnny17Johnny17 Registered User regular
    Johnny17 wrote: »
    This is different than regular PTW. Whether by difference in kind or just difference in scope, I don't think matters.

    This is not a game letting you buy a gun (partly because by many definitions, it's not a game. It's a webseries). It's a narrative letting people buy control over how the story plays out. Other people get to buy the right to change the story you watch. Which I guess isn't exactly a difference in kind because someone buying the fancy gun and shooting me with it is a form of them buying control over my experience.

    Still, this is once again demonstrating that if we can dream a way corporations will ruin art by the ways they monetize it, they will figure out a way to do that, but worse. In light of how quickly and dramatically movie studios change course in response to feedback, I posited a dystopian nightmare where every person sits down to watch a movie and gets one custom made to what the algorithm assumes they want from the story. Konami considered this and thought, "yes, that, but how about instead of a movie custom made to you (which is a bad enough idea already), what about a movie custom made to the whims of the highest bidding trolls and/or whales".

    Well you can already buy ad space...

    Again, you can make an argument that it's not a difference in kind (though I'm not sure this is a particularly reasonable argument to that effect), but it's absolutely a difference in scope and a pretty big one.

    I should put more smileys in my posts...

  • LttlefootLttlefoot Registered User regular
    Yeah I think the joke still works on the surface level. “They’re putting mtx in *this* game?”

  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Nobody? I think I started just asserting that no you can't literally buy votes, but went off in a probably ill advised side tangent about liberals being bad at messaging and knowing ones audience and trying to give some advice. But that wasn't really my point.

    I'm not sure what you think your point was; the uber rich really are to blame for a ton of bad shit, and they can all but literally buy votes.

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  • ShowsniShowsni Registered User regular
    Rich people can't literally buy votes, only indirectly via things like lobbiest and PACs. As much as it may seem that way sometimes. Liberals I may not be one of you but our interests are aligned at the moment so let me help you out : yall need to get over blaming generic rich people for everything. Be specific!

    Okay, to be specific, lobbying is bad and should be illegal in a system that purports to be democratic.

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