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Penny Arcade - Comic - Neogenesis

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Neogenesis!

Penny Arcade - Comic - Neogenesis

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    At this point I have basically no sympathy left for people who still trust the likes of Ubisoft, Bethesda, etc enough to pre-order or pay for 'Early Access'. Of course you're going to get shafted. You always get shafted. Give the extra $30 or whatever to a homeless shelter next time and buy the game when the first major patch comes out.

  • palidine40palidine40 Registered User regular
    Ubisoft, always aims to please...

  • v2miccav2micca Registered User regular
    I'm also baffled at the number of people who willingly paid a premium to get early access to this game after watching the gameplay trailer. It was one of the most bland, paint by numbers, open world gameplay I have seen in years. If it wasn't for the Star Wars logo splashed across the announcement trailer, I honestly wouldn't have been able to differentiate the setting from any other generic sci-fi world. I know the Snowdrop engine is starting to show its age a little, but I would have thought that with the Star Wars Brand Ubisoft would have tried to make up for it by putting their best dev team on it to wring out that last little bit of performance. Also, doesn't Ubisoft still own the Dunia series of engines? Or do they still have to pay royalties to Crytek every time they roll out a game on that platform? Hell, they could have trotted out an older version Anvil and it would have looked better than this.

  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited August 30
    v2micca wrote: »
    I'm also baffled at the number of people who willingly paid a premium to get early access to this game after watching the gameplay trailer. It was one of the most bland, paint by numbers, open world gameplay I have seen in years. If it wasn't for the Star Wars logo splashed across the announcement trailer, I honestly wouldn't have been able to differentiate the setting from any other generic sci-fi world.

    That logo can be a pretty big deal though. It's easy to discount the vast number of casual gamers out there that only buy games a few times a year when you hang out in online nerd/enabler forums. Hogwarts Legacy wasn't an exemplar of open world games either but a ton of people that otherwise don't play much of that type of game were drawn in due to the IP. There are a lot more Star Wars games so it might not be as impactful, but it's still meaningful.

    Or to flip it around, a lot of people that frequent these forums buy t-shirts and hoodies that have images of video game, movie, and tv shows they like even though the construction of those articles of clothing is often pretty poor and one can likely find a t-shirt or hoodie with better stitching and fabric for a similar price without the IP tie-in. But people want that IP tie-in.

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    v2micca wrote: »
    I'm also baffled at the number of people who willingly paid a premium to get early access to this game after watching the gameplay trailer. It was one of the most bland, paint by numbers, open world gameplay I have seen in years. If it wasn't for the Star Wars logo splashed across the announcement trailer, I honestly wouldn't have been able to differentiate the setting from any other generic sci-fi world.

    I don't play a ton of AAA open world games. That way when one comes around with an appealing aesthetic it doesn't feel too stale.

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    If you purchased the bundle of the game that came with the season pass (gold edition), or the version with the extra junk (ultimate), you could play early. The base game is 69.99. The season pass is 39.99. The extra junk is 19.99. The gold edition bundle is 109.99. The ultimate edition... 129.99. You can buy the pass or ultimate junk separately even now. The generalization of people buying the season pass on a preorder just to play the game early is really kind of silly. As one of the DLCs features Lando, one of the characters that interests me from the mainline... I would buy it. Buying it as part of a preorder bundle or buying it later didn't make a difference.

    But really, the game being a part of the Star Wars franchise and potentially carrying all the baggage of the movies/streaming shows was a negative for me as mainline Star Wars isn't my thing. It is however, still a new open world game with ground/vehicle/flight gameplay... and mercifully, it only shares the universe. People are interested in Star Wars stuff that doesn't revolve around Jedi/the Force and The Empire/Rebels, etc. too... and without those factors front and center, Star Wars content is generic sci-fi. But the names are Star Wars flavored! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    In any case, the updated version of the game that for PS5 users was rolled out later on the 27th.

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    So what really happened was a few people ran into this specific issue which they moved to rectify and compensate for promptly... but people are crusading because why not?

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited September 1
    I wouldn't say that the original Star Wars trilogy was "generic scifi" if you didn't have Jedi/Force/Empire/Rebels front-and-center. I mean, yeah, you have to have good guys/bad guys for the story to work, so in that sense Empire/Rebels are required. But it's really just good guys/bad guys. But apart from that, there was just a whole lot of interesting worldbuilding in terms of visuals and little touches here and there. Exciting space battles, interesting characters, snappy dialogue. If you go back and look at the first movie, very little of it even involves Jedi/Force stuff.

    OT Star Wars had a palpable feeling to the universe. It's what carried it along though all the years after the OT. It's a reason people were captivated by the entire ethos of Star Wars. And it had a lot more to it than just Jedis and the Force.

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  • Anon von ZilchAnon von Zilch Registered User regular
    Generic without Jedi and the Rebellion? The whole space cowboy, dingy space truck stuff is part of what makes Star Wars Star Wars!

  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    edited September 1
    Yes, but space cowboy, dingy space truck stuff is just Space Western, a genre which existed before Star Wars. Was a big thing in the pulp fiction days... like so prolific that it became hated and considered to be hackish for a time, though I think Star Wars actually helped to revive the genre at that time. Not sure off hand what came between it and Serenity that revitalized it again.

    But yeah, it kind of wore out its welcome way back when (this is the back cover the first episode of Galaxy, and old sci fi magazine (1950s):

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    (image via Wikipedia)

    edit: This is a good article on the genre. Probably more than a few video essays on it as well.

    edit2: also, I don't view things being "generic" with as much of a negative connotation too. Having read/watched/played a ton of these things, they all just run together. There are things that I like, but that doesn't necessarily make them well-written or structured... just enjoyable. The same with unique things, it's not necessarily a positive connotation. Also I think we're kind of veering OT from this comic, so going to stop here. lol

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    I just don't think it's generic, negative connotations or not. There's just something about Star Wars that was the reason why it was so incredibly long-lived, rather than Battle for the Stars. Those two aren't vastly different in their elements, and yet one stands out as just having a living, breathing reality to it that people could imagine all kinds of great adventures occurring in. It's not just about the elements but how they are executed.

  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    edited September 1
    Hmm... I'd argue that what you're describing here in terms of feelings from Star Wars comes from the context in which Star Wars was introduced to many, and the franchise really rides its own pop cultural inertia. From the people who saw the originally it in the theatres where at the time the visuals and the like made it this groundbreaking experience, who passed that experience down to their children, not to mention the toys, that generational favor just flavored the experience for many. If not from family then from friends growing up during that time and playing with Star Wars toys, etc. It's just human social factor put stars Star Wars into that position. "What age should I introduce my children to Star Wars" is a conversation/thread I've seen a fair number of times, and if I wanted to be extremely pessimistic, the argument could be made that generations are brainwashed into attaching that level of depth to the franchise. :P

    But yeah, introduced in a vacuum, it's just another sci-fi franchise... I watched/read/played a ton of sci-fi things growing up. It's likely the first time I even saw the original trilogy movies was on a cable channel or on a random VHS tape, I don't even remember. But I do feel that external factors give it that vibe more than anything.

    As for Battle Beyond the Stars, it grossed $~11M whereas A New Hope hit $~410 million during its initial run. The movie business likes to make money, so the longevity of the Star Wars franchise was pretty secured from that success. The toy lines and other marketing stuff that came from then forward also helped secure that run (and its place in most peoples headspace). It looks like Battle Beyond the Stars was also released in 1980, the same year as The Empire Strikes Back and hit $~538M, and it came out after TESB... so yeah, tough break. Unfortunately I don't recall seeing the movie so I can't speak to its qualities. I can imagine that there may be some people who experienced that movie the same way many saw Star Wars, too though... probably dozens of people.

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited September 2
    FWIW, I saw Battle as well. And a million other scifi movies. That's kinda my jam. I know what feels generic to me, and what feels "special". And I say that without identifying as a Star Wars fan now. The prequels did a pretty good job of nipping that in the bud. I'd say they're prime evidence on why the universe of the original trilogy was special. They threw all that out the window and produced a processed entertainment product.

    And yeah, I'd say it's a product of its time. Watching it now isn't going to be the same, because so many things have already copied it. Usually in an inferior way, but it's still a copy. Like going back and watching Citizen Kane, and deciding it was just "meh", because you'd already seen so much stuff that'd taken its innovations and improved upon them.

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    Oh, you were right before the edit... it's something we're not going to agree on. Was being a bit assertive there, didn't mean to speak for your feelings, my intent was more in general. That's on me.

    Looks like Battle is on Tubi so I can actually check that out too.

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited September 3
    Oh, you were right before the edit... it's something we're not going to agree on. Was being a bit assertive there, didn't mean to speak for your feelings, my intent was more in general. That's on me.

    Looks like Battle is on Tubi so I can actually check that out too.

    Hey, you're not supposed to read until at least 10 minutes after I post, so I can get enough distance to read it and see if it sounds like something an asshole would write.

    :lol:

    There are some funs things about Battle, but more in a schlocky way than anything else.

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