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The Walz-Vance [Debate] thread on CBS, 9PM ET, Oct. 1, 2024

Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready.We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
edited October 9 in Debate and/or Discourse
Who is debating?
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The Vice Presidential candidates for the Democrats and the Republicans are debating this time, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Senator JD Vance of Ohio.

Who are the moderators?
The debate will be moderated by the outgoing “CBS Evening News” anchor Norah O’Donnell and “Face the Nation” host Margaret Brennan. However, they are not expected to fact check either candidate.

When and where to watch
The event will air at 9 p.m. ET for 90 minutes from a CBS studio in Manhattan, New York City. It will be live streamed on CBS and Paramount Plus. There will also likely be streams on YouTube and other locations.

Thread Rules
The general D&D political thread rules apply here. In addition:

* As this is a live watch thread, some amount of "livetweeting" will probably occur. Try to reference what is being reacted to, but we'll be a bit more lax about this, since this thread is made specifically for that purpose. Just be aware that conversations can be hard to follow if they don't have a reference to what is going on currently, as people may be viewing this asynchronously. Someone who is on a 15 minute or 1 hour delay should be able to follow along the thread.
* Try to keep discussion in this thread focused on the debate. If discussion starts getting into the weeds of, say, Israel-Palestine, Immigration, Voting rights, or general Election coverage, take it to the appropriate thread instead.
* The thread will remain open for a few days after the debate to tie up any immediate discussion (likely until the Saturday evening after the debate), but further discussion probably will be shunted to the general Election thread.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    2 hours to showtime, folks.

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  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    edited October 1
    I really do hope it’s just a couple hours of Walz ethering and/or Minnesota nicing Vance to the Shadow Realm.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i expect only the most illuminating and erudite discourse of public policy and the role of government in the affairs of man

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Saw people saying that Dems are trying to downplay Walz as not a strong debater and not his forte, while Rs are all "Vance doesn't even need to bother prepping." Really, really hope he's banking on various godawful zingers that get him coming off as the piece of shit he is.

    Also, had it on in the background as I was making dinner, and something caught my attention about the lack of allowing notes. Sure, you don't want people just reading off stump speeches, but it also makes it that much harder to fact check on the spot so massively favors bullshitting. But above and beyond that, even when you go to the post-debate fact check, it muddies the waters, because not having exact numbers in front of you makes you more imprecise, so when you have one person who's 'dishonest' because they slightly misquoted something or got a number a bit wrong, but the other side is just making shit up wholecloth, both sides still come out as equally dishonest.

    Also, MSNBC was interviewing kids at some college watch party, and all the Rs were white dudes who said their most important things were the economy and lowering their tuition. My dude. Give me a fucking break.

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    Let’s get ready to ruuuuuuumbleeeeee

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  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    Post debate Fox will claim Vance is the sensical Vice Presidential candidate as when asked various questions about policy Vance overted eye contact, sighed, and said "whatever makes sense."

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    "our guy is terrible and the other guy is god's gift to debates" is just what both sides done every debate (with some exceptions, of course).

    You want your expectations low and the other sides high.

  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular

    I bet we’re going to get a few Republican think pieces about how incredibly presidential Vance looks tonight.

    Given the odds that Trump won’t last four years even if he is elected, I expect that the right wing pundits are going to want to push the idea of Vance as the great president in waiting.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    Yeah this whole debate's gonna be "Do we trust this guy to be President if something happens?" and no one will "win" it. Vance may be a dipshit, but he shows some ability not to foam at the mouth like Trump.

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  • TaximesTaximes Registered User regular
    NBC pre-debate commentary noting that Trump did two different rallies today, on the day of the VP debate, and only mentioned JD Vance once when forced to by a question.

  • Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    I bet we’re going to get a few Republican think pieces about how incredibly presidential Vance looks tonight.

    Given the odds that Trump won’t last four years even if he is elected, I expect that the right wing pundits are going to want to push the idea of Vance as the great president in waiting.

    Eh, if they go in too far on how good Vance did, that's going to piss off Trump. Fortunately Walz does not have the same problem.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    I bet we’re going to get a few Republican think pieces about how incredibly presidential Vance looks tonight.

    Given the odds that Trump won’t last four years even if he is elected, I expect that the right wing pundits are going to want to push the idea of Vance as the great president in waiting.

    They have to be a little careful. Pump up Vance too much and Trump will get jealous. He doesn’t share the spotlight.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    They forgot to cut to the handshake

  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    Alright first Belgian tripple down, second beer in hand. Ready to tolerate this.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    1st question is about Iran's attack on Israel

  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    I’m not expecting to be happy with either people answering this question.

  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Some interesting phrasing and stacking of the deck in how that first question was framed.

  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Well nvm Walz immediately moved into stump speech mode after 20 seconds.

  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    I really don't like this Israel answer. Should we start Iraq III, but bigger. Should be an easy No.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Vance just uninterested in the question entirely

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    "Vance, now that Walz has answered this difficult question, we ask you the same one."

    "I'd like to talk about myself." *Life story follows*

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    Wow. After weeks of dunking on Kamala Harris for saying "I come from a middle class family" as a pivot, here is Vance doing the exact same fucking thing. Unbelievable.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    "I want to answer that question... but I'm not going to say a single thing whatsoever about it. Anyway, here's my stump speech."

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2
    The Kamala Harris administration?

    Did I miss the election JD?

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Q: would you support a premtive strike by Iarael against Iran?
    Vance: gives a mini autobiography, small town family values

  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Tbf Vance did go back into the question. It wasn’t a terrible answer, facts aside.

  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    The Dreams of The Grift.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    You’re not wrong Tim on Trump breaking the Iran deal and not replacing it, but we’ve had four years of Democratic administration and still no deal or substitute.

  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Ooooh, Vance confronted with Trump canceling the Iranian nuclear deal.

  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Wait, did this moderator have this question prepared, or did she pivot from Walz’s response to ask Vance about Iran back out deal?

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    I’m not giving him any props here, but it’s weird to see someone on the Republican side in this election actually be able to form a coherent sentence

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited October 2
    Climate change question.

    Vance: Dissembling, and then avoids admitting climate change exists. Calls carbon emissions causing climate change 'weird science'

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  • LegacyLegacy Stuck Somewhere In Cyberspace The Grid(Seattle)Registered User, ClubPA regular
    How many 'peace through strength's are we gonna get from Vance? We're at 2 through...1 question. Hm.

    Can we get the chemicals in. 'Cause anything's better than this.
  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    “Weird science” - he just used that phrase, right?

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