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[Satisfactory] The Mysteries of the Plumbing & Train Simulator 2024
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Between my Rocket Fuel plant and rubber/plastic production, I have a small amount of resin and compacted coal I've been sinking... it seems like the PERFECT use for that would be to set up an automated filters/ammo facility. Just enough that I can always grab a few extra from the Dimensional Depot if I run out. And then I can still sink any resources not actively being used for that.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
So say you have an L shaped bend going up. Your natural inclination is "I have 20 meters of headlift, so I can put this 20 meters above on the vertical part" Don't do that.
Your next inclination is to put it right after the bend on the vertical part. Also don't do that. Put it on the horizontal part first, before the bend, and then go from there. My turbofuel plant didn't take this into account and I couldn't figure out why it kept backing up: making that change fixed that particular issue.
That’s why I put all my uranium ore on trains
It keeps you on your toes
Essentially, you want the pump situated where it's always fully flooded and happy to push, rather than sitting right at the edge.
In 1.0 with alternate recipes and sloops you can take 150 /min Uranium from an impure node, use 3 slooped infused Uranium Cell Manufactuers to turn that into 240 /min Encased Uranium Cells and then use slooped Uranium Fuel Unit Manufacturers to turn that into 14.4 / min Uranium Fuel Rods. That's enough Rods for 72 Reactors and 180,000MW just before recycling.
At least that's what I'm trying to do, more than enough sloops in the world for that and the recycling seems to be the thing that takes the most Uranium. The basic set up is actually finished, but I want to get the recycling loop set up before I start the reactors.
Water comes up from an extractor on the right, through the two refineries, up over the top (there is a pump hidden behind the left refinery), and back down to merge with the input. I slapped a valve on there to really keep things in check.
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That's a valid strategy, too. I probably will do that when I get the full setup going. You just need to make sure to arrange the solids output such that the first thing to get unblocked after things back up are the refineries using recycled water. I think that's what I missed last time.
yeah but then you need to find a way to get rid of the excess water outputs. Which is easy if you are near limestone I guess, make concrete and sink it. But if not...
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
No, you just need to balance your system correctly.
Neither the Aluminum Refinery or the Quartz Refinery I've posted use limestone sinking, and they use up all the recycled water internally.
There's no recipes that make more water than goes into the system in the first place.
Quartz was really easy - one blender is set to 50% and gets it's water from a water extractor. It's waste water is combined with that of the other two blenders, both at 100%, and fed back into those.
System needs 250 water a minute and makes 200 water a minute, so... Boom. Easy.
Aluminium refining is similar, I posted the math earlier in the thread.
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You don't even need to bother with under and overclocking, just toss a valve on it to make sure you're not adding more water to the system than needed.
Valves can and will still cause problems, they're not a one-stop shop. They're pressure dependent, for one, amongst other potential issues - I find them useful for controlling flow, but don't rely on them past that. Underclolcking and overclocking is useful because it lets you exactly control input and output ratios in aggregate.
Like, again, let's break down the math here, using Quartz Refining as an example.
Refining 600 Raw Quartz a minute requires 50 Sulfric acid a minute.
That takes 50 water a minute to make. Since this part of the system starts everything off, and for future proofing reasons, this is just pumped in directly - we supply 50 water to it.
Okay, cool. Now we've got our Quartz Crystals, and our Dissolved Silica. 600 Raw Quartz makes 300 Dissolved Silica a minute. 300 Dissolved silica a minute requires 2.5 blenders to process it. It also requires 250 water a minute. It produces 200 water a minute as a byproduct.
Since we happen to need 2.5 blenders a minute, this is actually quite easy. Blender 1 is set to 50%. It gets water 50 water pumped directly to it, and outputs 40 water a minute. This water output is connected to the outputs of blenders 2 & 3, who'll be making 80 water a minute. and the resulting 200 water a minute tube is connected back into the inputs of Blender 2 & 3, where wouldn't you happen to know it, they need a 100 water each.
Boom. Perfectly balanced system. And upside, if you want to increase the system's production (Say because you upgrade to t3 miners and T6 belts) - you can just set blender 1 to 100%, and overclock blenders 2 & 3 to 200%. Or build two more blenders at 100%, i'm not your boss, do whatever.
Similar logic with Sloppy Aluminum earlier in the thread - The system needs 600 water a minute and makes 420 waste water a minute. So... One refinery set to take 180 water a minute, which you pump in directly, and the rest of your refineries are set to accept the 420 water a minute. If you break that down into 4 refineries (The smallest amount it can be cleanly divided into) - Well, one can be underclocked to 90%, and the other 3 underclocked to 70%.
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Liquids move from areas of high pressure to low pressure, and from high locations to low locations.
Gases move from areas of high pressure to low pressure.
They don't otherwise care which direction they flow in.
They will endeavor to fill a flat length of pipe evenly across the entire length. Eg: if you're trying to pump 50ms through a pipe, it's going to only fill enough of that pipe to allow that 50 to flow.
Valves let you dictate that flow can only move through it in a direction, but it won't stop pressure waves from deflecting off each other.
This is why you should saturate your pipes before you turn a system on fully - as it ensues the low pressure zone is always at the consumers, while the high pressure zone is always at the creators
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One of my biggest frustrations is deciding to rebuild a factory and realizing that it's going to take like an hour just to take down what's already there.
You can upload your save file to Satisfactory Calculator map tool and use the functions there to mass delete, then download the modified save file. It's a workaround, but it's pretty easy.
It’s so easy to forget the time in early access before multi-delete.
Expanded my 240 oil/m plastic-and-rubber oil refinery into a 900/m refinery* with 16 power stations, 80/m fuel storage, 80/m rubber, 100/m plastic, 10/m circuit boards (electrode circuit boards). Only waste product not being used right now is 380/s coke, which I could loop into power but since I've got enough headroom on power now I'd rather keep it available for more circuit boards as needed. Not the prettiest build in the world, but not that ugly either, with the refineries mostly having a lot of space. The ugliest part is the second floor assembler/manufacturer pile since I just eyeballed the conveyor belts up to it instead of like, doing something smart.
Oh, and the whole expansion was built and turned on at once with no issues besides a couple of inputs not being put in place, but all of those were in areas where the upstream was sinked so it didn't trip power or back up anywhere.
*(technically 870/m is used because the manifold for one oil node ran into another one, and I can bump it to 1200 when I get Mk2 pipes for the pure node around here).
Multi delete and zoop were game changers. Having to place foundations one at a time was a nightmare.
Back in my day, we had to make conveyor spirals to get materials up and down! We didn’t have fancy conveyor lifts!
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Like, there's basically no reason to not overclock them now (given how easy it is to get power shards now, without even getting into late game stuff), as you're not losing power and it means less stuff to build.
But I'm a big proponent of overclocking and minimalism in builds anyway
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You sure about that? The Wiki says they implemented it.
Guess I'll need to fire up the game and check for myself now that I finally got sloops and sharded all of the slugs I had. (I got well over 300 shards from it!)
EDIT: I just checked it and it's absolutely implemented. 2 shards in a Coal factory straight doubled the power output and cut the burn rate in half (Or sped it up.. it takes 2 seconds instead of 4.)
Overlocking production buildings is always more expensive than building more and underclocking them, but Sloops existing counterbalance this - Power production is functionally unlimited, Shard production is literally unlimited, Sloops are very limited.
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balance the insane strength of sloops plus 250% overclock.
got my nuclear plant up and running, it’s like 40ish mw, which isn’t bad for a single impure uranium node. if i need more i could fly some in but i suspect this should be fine.
I honestly don’t see myself doing it again, especially with the rocket fuel alt recipe as it is - 600 oil and some super raw materials can turn directly into fuel for something like 500+ generators. Thats significantly more power than my old nuke plant, at a building count (besides the generators themselves) that’s probably less than just the electromagnetic control rod factory for the nuclear supply chain.
(That’s an exaggeration, but not by THAT much)
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it should probably also not be able to run hundreds and hundreds of generators off a single node either but they certainly could stand to buff up the fancier fuels. fisconium is almost trolling with how hard it is to make and how little value it is worth.
On the upside, I guess they did include teleportation.
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It's my first base thing where I plan on producing everything I need to put into my dimensional pocket thingy.
In hyper color.
Edit: It seriously looks like I have a Mario 64 mod going because of the hdr. I wish I could just magic the game to look that way.
This was the bit where i plugged in my Fiscit Trigon overflow.
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I also built an automated (and somewhat messy) ammo/filters/nobelisk factory that takes in just resource overflow and then makes a bunch of different ammos, etc... and uploads them to the depot. Mostly the explosive stuff right now. Should keep me plenty supplied for exploring and hard drive gathering, including the inevitable run into the red forest. That'll keep me busy while Phase 4 completes.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I did the sensible thing for my Fiscit Trigon needs, and built an entirely new Aluminum factory from the ground up.
Works pretty well, actually - 1 Pure SAM node makes enough RSAM to match a single Normal Bauxite node. Then i used a couple of Sloops on the converters to double the output of the Fiscit Ingots, and now i' mgetting 900 Fiscit trigons a minute. Which is pretty nice! PRobably dont need that much, but when you only need two converters, why not sloop em? 4 out of 106 is a reasonble amount to spend.
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Remember to swap back to the jetpack when you go exploring! I mean, you won't, but now you'll remember me saying this right after you hurl yourself off a cliff.