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  • NoneoftheaboveNoneoftheabove Just a conforming non-conformist. Twilight ZoneRegistered User regular
    I may not have agreed with the actions, but I can't argue with the results. It was nice to see the CEOs and major companies squirm over the public reaction.
    Yes, it took an unhealthy unstable person, but you shits just got the best public opinion poll on your business.

  • WhiteZinfandelWhiteZinfandel Your insides Let me show you themRegistered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    It's worth noting that in the article, there is nothing to suggest that the author's due diligence has provided any further information on the subject. They "reached out to United Healthcare via email and Levy via social media for comment" and, based on the absence of any such comment in the article, received no response. So this really is just an article about a tweet with no additional information on the event in the tweet.

    Barrakketh's followup work confirmed that Levy is a real doctor who would plausibly encounter that situation, which is about as much confirmation as it's possible to get.

    I'm pretty sure yossarian got upset because Barrakketh acted like it was some failure on his part to voice skepticism without also putting in the work himself to look through five or six websites and confirm Levy's background (which in itself still isn't even proof that the event happened). Fair thing to be upset about, if you ask me, even if yossarian was excessive in his response. Asking reasonable questions should never be treated like a bad thing.

    Directly breaking the rules regarding personal attacks is sufficient for an infraction. We don't use 'goose' as a way to hide insults anymore, that's clear in the rules.

    Let's stop any and all arguing about infractions right now, too, while we're at it.

    I'm aware.

  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    Anzekay wrote: »
    It's worth noting that in the article, there is nothing to suggest that the author's due diligence has provided any further information on the subject. They "reached out to United Healthcare via email and Levy via social media for comment" and, based on the absence of any such comment in the article, received no response. So this really is just an article about a tweet with no additional information on the event in the tweet.

    Barrakketh's followup work confirmed that Levy is a real doctor who would plausibly encounter that situation, which is about as much confirmation as it's possible to get.

    I'm pretty sure yossarian got upset because Barrakketh acted like it was some failure on his part to voice skepticism without also putting in the work himself to look through five or six websites and confirm Levy's background (which in itself still isn't even proof that the event happened). Fair thing to be upset about, if you ask me, even if yossarian was excessive in his response. Asking reasonable questions should never be treated like a bad thing.

    Directly breaking the rules regarding personal attacks is sufficient for an infraction. We don't use 'goose' as a way to hide insults anymore, that's clear in the rules.

    Let's stop any and all arguing about infractions right now, too, while we're at it.

    I'm aware.

    Great, then maybe let's put a pin in this whole thing now.

    Less fighting amongst ourselves and more talking about CEOs and billionaires are the scourge upon this world.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Frankly we should normalize medical providers publicly outing insurers when they deny coverage.

    I'm a CRNA and my wife is an NP and when my mom declined and needed rehab my wife gave me the literal prewritten statement of what I needed to precisely say to insurance to get it covered.

    Yeah it's all stupid. You need to say a few magic words so they can check off whatever check boxes without thinking about the case, so templating is superior to actually writing up a compelling, common sense statement about an unique situation.

    I don't know how to fix this though

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Why I Love My Fucking Alma Mater, Insert Expletive Here Edition:
    The USC administration has opposed faculty unionization, natch. But now: USC has joined anti-union corporations like SpaceX and Amazon in claiming the NLRB’s very structure is “unconstitutional”—a position that challenges not only faculty, but the rights of all workers to organize under federal law.

    It's days like this that make me contemplate the value of my degree as kindling.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    *the auger stirs, hungrily*

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    It is increasingly clear that the Owners think they've stacked things in their favor enough to go back to "the good old days" of the Pinkertons et al.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2
    It is increasingly clear that the Owners think they've stacked things in their favor enough to go back to "the good old days" of the Pinkertons et al.

    They believe they've moved past the need to be philanthropic like the Robber Barons of the Gilded Age, because the fallacy of "job creation" should be generous enough.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Frankly we should normalize medical providers publicly outing insurers when they deny coverage.

    I'm a CRNA and my wife is an NP and when my mom declined and needed rehab my wife gave me the literal prewritten statement of what I needed to precisely say to insurance to get it covered.

    Yeah it's all stupid. You need to say a few magic words so they can check off whatever check boxes without thinking about the case, so templating is superior to actually writing up a compelling, common sense statement about an unique situation.

    I don't know how to fix this though

    It would be interesting if insurance denial of a claim where fraud isn’t involved would open the insurer to liability for insurance fraud, since they are denying legitimate claims that they are legally obligated to cover.

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  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    It needs to be hammered into their dumbass pig skulls that the are not job creators. It's the masses that are job creators. If the rest of us didn't want goods or services, they wouldn't even have a fucking business to begin with. Can't sell anything, if there are no buyers and if no one is buying, then their is no need for jobs that facilitate any of that.

    Also they can fuck off with the whole, "we're being noble by giving you all jobs!" They only reason they are hiring people is because they want to sell their shit and their jumping on to AI, and overworking people, shows that they'd be happy to offer no jobs at all if they could get away with it.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Frankly we should normalize medical providers publicly outing insurers when they deny coverage.

    I'm a CRNA and my wife is an NP and when my mom declined and needed rehab my wife gave me the literal prewritten statement of what I needed to precisely say to insurance to get it covered.

    Yeah it's all stupid. You need to say a few magic words so they can check off whatever check boxes without thinking about the case, so templating is superior to actually writing up a compelling, common sense statement about an unique situation.

    I don't know how to fix this though

    It would be interesting if insurance denial of a claim where fraud isn’t involved would open the insurer to liability for insurance fraud, since they are denying legitimate claims that they are legally obligated to cover.

    Some health care providers put legal language into their notes, like "if the patient isn't given XXX, such and such bad things will happen to them," but I'm not sure how much that helps

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited January 2
    At some point we just have to admit that humanity sucks.

    No. Members of humanity suck, and choose to do evil. That doesn't make us all horrible, and claiming we are is just useless nihilism.

    I'd go so far as to say that the capacity for evil is what makes good people good. And almost everyone has varying shades of both. This idea that humanity sucks because not everyone is good is tantamount to saying that life itself sucks. I do understand where that sentiment comes from but you have to recognize it as burnout/depression speaking.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Frankly we should normalize medical providers publicly outing insurers when they deny coverage.

    I'm a CRNA and my wife is an NP and when my mom declined and needed rehab my wife gave me the literal prewritten statement of what I needed to precisely say to insurance to get it covered.

    Yeah it's all stupid. You need to say a few magic words so they can check off whatever check boxes without thinking about the case, so templating is superior to actually writing up a compelling, common sense statement about an unique situation.

    I don't know how to fix this though

    It would be interesting if insurance denial of a claim where fraud isn’t involved would open the insurer to liability for insurance fraud, since they are denying legitimate claims that they are legally obligated to cover.

    Some health care providers put legal language into their notes, like "if the patient isn't given XXX, such and such bad things will happen to them," but I'm not sure how much that helps

    But even if no medical harm occurs, it is still fraud on the insurers part.

    They are taking premiums and issuing policies, but then arbitrarily refusing coverage.

    It’s difficult to grasp how that isn’t fraud just because they occasionally are forced to actually pay for the service they are offering.

    Constantly denying services to paying customers should be considered fraud.

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  • JoshJosh jmcdonald DC(ish)Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Frankly we should normalize medical providers publicly outing insurers when they deny coverage.

    I'm a CRNA and my wife is an NP and when my mom declined and needed rehab my wife gave me the literal prewritten statement of what I needed to precisely say to insurance to get it covered.

    Yeah it's all stupid. You need to say a few magic words so they can check off whatever check boxes without thinking about the case, so templating is superior to actually writing up a compelling, common sense statement about an unique situation.

    I don't know how to fix this though

    It would be interesting if insurance denial of a claim where fraud isn’t involved would open the insurer to liability for insurance fraud, since they are denying legitimate claims that they are legally obligated to cover.

    Some health care providers put legal language into their notes, like "if the patient isn't given XXX, such and such bad things will happen to them," but I'm not sure how much that helps

    But even if no medical harm occurs, it is still fraud on the insurers part.

    They are taking premiums and issuing policies, but then arbitrarily refusing coverage.

    It’s difficult to grasp how that isn’t fraud just because they occasionally are forced to actually pay for the service they are offering.

    Constantly denying services to paying customers should be considered fraud.

    When I worked auto claims a lifetime ago the mantra was “pay what we owe, and nothing more” and god forbid we didn’t pay what we owed.

    The sad difference is that auto claims regulations and state DOIs have far more teeth (even if not enough) than health insurance claims.

  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    At some point we just have to admit that humanity sucks.

    No. Members of humanity suck, and choose to do evil. That doesn't make us all horrible, and claiming we are is just useless nihilism.

    I'd go so far as to say that the capacity for evil is what makes good people good. And almost everyone has varying shades of both. This idea that humanity sucks because not everyone is good is tantamount to saying that life itself sucks. I do understand where that sentiment comes from but you have to recognize it as burnout/depression speaking.

    Exactly. Like I'm no stranger to thoughts like that. I battle with suicidal ideation and the ilk on the regular.

    But saying everyone sucks, what does that serve? What's the end goal here? Because all too often, the answer seems to be: if we're all terrible, nothing matters, who cares.

    And fuck that! That attitude is corrosive as seven hells. That attitude is exactly what lets rotting morasses like Musk or Bezos keep doing the damage they do.

    I'm not gonna pretend the answers to the problems the world is facing are easy to implement. We're in a situation where the damage done by unrestrained greed has injured uncountable people - and many folks do see "fuck you, got mine" as the only safe approach.

    But it doesn't mean writing everyone off is going to make things better. Everyone has to pull together, and that means actually making and effort to be kind, to show folks that there's better options than unthinking cruelty and caring for ones self at the expense of everyone else

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  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! DownriverRegistered User regular
    edited January 2
    So it’s becoming more clear that the Cybertruck that exploded yesterday was likely intentional and planned.
    The highly decorated Army soldier inside the Tesla Cybertruck that burst into flames outside President-elect Donald Trump’s Las Vegas hotel shot himself in the head before the explosion and likely planned to cause more damage but the explosive was rudimentary and the steel-sided vehicle absorbed much of the force, officials said Thursday.

    So almost certainly not a coincidence, but some of the details are still very strange. This guy was a former Green Beret apparently. You’d think if he’d intended to make a car bomb, he has the kind of background to do so, yet it was a complete failure in terms of destructive power. Maybe he was assuming that the fireworks and stuff would ignite the battery and cause a larger explosion? But that’s taking a big risk when he probably could have made a more “traditional” bomb given his background and skill set.

    There’s also the fact that he was stationed at Fort Bragg at the same time as the guy in New Orleans yesterday. Which likely IS just a coincidence, but still, it’s one hell of a big one.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited January 2
    NPR: Cybertruck driver had likely self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, sheriff says
    Authorities have identified the driver of the Cybertruck that exploded in front of the Trump hotel in Las Vegas as 37-year-old Master Sgt. Matthew Alan Livelsberger. In a news briefing Thursday afternoon, police say they still don't have 100 percent confirmation because he was "burned beyond recognition" in the blast. They're awaiting DNA tests to confirm his identity.

    Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sheriff Kevin McMahill says Livelsberger sustained a gunshot wound to the head prior to the Cybertuck detonating; investigators believe it was self inflicted.

    Officials found several items in the vehicle including multiple firearms, fireworks, a military ID, an iPhone and several credit cards. The FBI and local law enforcement officials are still looking for a motive.

    Well this year is just going to keep getting weirder, I guess.

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  • YellowhammerYellowhammer Registered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    It's worth noting that in the article, there is nothing to suggest that the author's due diligence has provided any further information on the subject. They "reached out to United Healthcare via email and Levy via social media for comment" and, based on the absence of any such comment in the article, received no response. So this really is just an article about a tweet with no additional information on the event in the tweet.

    Barrakketh's followup work confirmed that Levy is a real doctor who would plausibly encounter that situation, which is about as much confirmation as it's possible to get.

    I'm pretty sure yossarian got upset because Barrakketh acted like it was some failure on his part to voice skepticism without also putting in the work himself to look through five or six websites and confirm Levy's background (which in itself still isn't even proof that the event happened). Fair thing to be upset about, if you ask me, even if yossarian was excessive in his response. Asking reasonable questions should never be treated like a bad thing.

    Directly breaking the rules regarding personal attacks is sufficient for an infraction. We don't use 'goose' as a way to hide insults anymore, that's clear in the rules.

    Let's stop any and all arguing about infractions right now, too, while we're at it.

    I'm aware.

    Great, then maybe let's put a pin in this whole thing now.

    Less fighting amongst ourselves and more talking about CEOs and billionaires are the scourge upon this world.

    Can I put a pin in my Jeff Bezos Voodoo doll?

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    So it’s becoming more clear that the Cybertruck that exploded yesterday was likely intentional and planned.
    The highly decorated Army soldier inside the Tesla Cybertruck that burst into flames outside President-elect Donald Trump’s Las Vegas hotel shot himself in the head before the explosion and likely planned to cause more damage but the explosive was rudimentary and the steel-sided vehicle absorbed much of the force, officials said Thursday.

    So almost certainly not a coincidence, but some of the details are still very strange. This guy was a former Green Beret apparently. You’d think if he’d intended to make a car bomb, he has the kind of background to do so, yet it was a complete failure in terms of destructive power. Maybe he was assuming that the fireworks and stuff would ignite the battery and cause a larger explosion? But that’s taking a big risk when he probably could have made a more “traditional” bomb given his background and skill set.

    There’s also the fact that he was stationed at Fort Bragg at the same time as the guy in New Orleans yesterday. Which likely IS just a coincidence, but still, it’s one hell of a big one.

    I imagine his objective wasn't to cause mass casualties, or he would have chosen another location or method. It was probably more of a symbolic political statement.

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    So it’s becoming more clear that the Cybertruck that exploded yesterday was likely intentional and planned.
    The highly decorated Army soldier inside the Tesla Cybertruck that burst into flames outside President-elect Donald Trump’s Las Vegas hotel shot himself in the head before the explosion and likely planned to cause more damage but the explosive was rudimentary and the steel-sided vehicle absorbed much of the force, officials said Thursday.

    So almost certainly not a coincidence, but some of the details are still very strange. This guy was a former Green Beret apparently. You’d think if he’d intended to make a car bomb, he has the kind of background to do so, yet it was a complete failure in terms of destructive power. Maybe he was assuming that the fireworks and stuff would ignite the battery and cause a larger explosion? But that’s taking a big risk when he probably could have made a more “traditional” bomb given his background and skill set.

    There’s also the fact that he was stationed at Fort Bragg at the same time as the guy in New Orleans yesterday. Which likely IS just a coincidence, but still, it’s one hell of a big one.

    Still, congrats to Musk for building a truck so shit that when one explodes nobody's sure if it was intentional or not.

  • MilskiMilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    So it’s becoming more clear that the Cybertruck that exploded yesterday was likely intentional and planned.
    The highly decorated Army soldier inside the Tesla Cybertruck that burst into flames outside President-elect Donald Trump’s Las Vegas hotel shot himself in the head before the explosion and likely planned to cause more damage but the explosive was rudimentary and the steel-sided vehicle absorbed much of the force, officials said Thursday.

    So almost certainly not a coincidence, but some of the details are still very strange. This guy was a former Green Beret apparently. You’d think if he’d intended to make a car bomb, he has the kind of background to do so, yet it was a complete failure in terms of destructive power. Maybe he was assuming that the fireworks and stuff would ignite the battery and cause a larger explosion? But that’s taking a big risk when he probably could have made a more “traditional” bomb given his background and skill set.

    There’s also the fact that he was stationed at Fort Bragg at the same time as the guy in New Orleans yesterday. Which likely IS just a coincidence, but still, it’s one hell of a big one.

    Being a green beret doesn't make somebody an explosives engineer, the correlation there is very, very weak.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Meanwhile, his uncle.
    “Matt was a very skilled warrior, and he would be able to make — if it was him, and if he did this — he would’ve been able to make a more sophisticated explosive than using propane tanks and camping fuel. He was what you might call a ‘supersoldier.’ If you ever read about the things he was awarded, and the experience he had, some of it doesn’t make sense, when he had the skills and ability to make something more, let’s say, ‘efficient.’ His skills were enormous from what he had been taught in the military.”

    With Livelsberger’s skills, his uncle suggested, his nephew “could have fashioned a bomb that would have obliterated half of that hotel if he seriously wanted to hurt others.”

    “Think of Oklahoma City,” he said. “McVeigh was just a normal soldier. Not a Tier 1 operator like Matt.”

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    A totally normal thing to say about your dead nephew accused of terrorism

  • WeaverWeaver Breakfast Witch Hashus BrowniusRegistered User regular
    omg this guy fed his uncle a pack of lies

  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    Different MoS's, also given the track record for IEDs, I have doubts that the US military would to be teaching people how to make an IED. Odds are pretty solid that the dude making the IED is just as likely to blow themselves up, as they are to successfully deploy the thing.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Weaver wrote: »
    omg this guy fed his uncle a pack of lies

    He’s the uncle that works at Nintendo!

  • MilskiMilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Meanwhile, his uncle.
    “Matt was a very skilled warrior, and he would be able to make — if it was him, and if he did this — he would’ve been able to make a more sophisticated explosive than using propane tanks and camping fuel. He was what you might call a ‘supersoldier.’ If you ever read about the things he was awarded, and the experience he had, some of it doesn’t make sense, when he had the skills and ability to make something more, let’s say, ‘efficient.’ His skills were enormous from what he had been taught in the military.”

    With Livelsberger’s skills, his uncle suggested, his nephew “could have fashioned a bomb that would have obliterated half of that hotel if he seriously wanted to hurt others.”

    “Think of Oklahoma City,” he said. “McVeigh was just a normal soldier. Not a Tier 1 operator like Matt.”

    The quote is really funny because it's completely insane, but the uncle believing the dude is some sort of supersoldier doesn't really mean much at all.

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  • ThroThro pgroome@penny-arcade.com Registered User regular
    We don't teach Special Forces to McGuyver bombs together. We spend a lot of money training them how to properly use very expensive equipment.

  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Different MoS's, also given the track record for IEDs, I have doubts that the US military would to be teaching people how to make an IED. Odds are pretty solid that the dude making the IED is just as likely to blow themselves up, as they are to successfully deploy the thing.

    I don't know what the US military teach their green berets, but our Jaeger groups (roughly equivalent to Green berets) get the necessary training to construct moderately powerful/complicated IEDs and improvised their own demolition devices. One of their potential jobs is to get behind enemy lines and sabotage enemy military infrastructure. That includes the potential that they might have to scrounge up their own explosives to augment what they've got.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    Ok, but how is a military ID or a cell phone surviving that fire

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    I dunno, it’s weirdly heartening that so many of these terrorists are exactly the people you think

    “Insecure vet who lied to his family of credulous gun nut morons” seems like the first thing a profiler would come up with

  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    Also, total anecdotal evidence, but I knew enough EOD guys who could make a bomb and those guys were tight with Rangers and SF when I was in Iraq. It's believable he'd have access to knowing how to make a rudimentary bomb. (As ex-military.)

  • JimBobTMJimBobTM Registered User regular
    I bet he could have thrown a football over that hotel

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Milski wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Meanwhile, his uncle.
    “Matt was a very skilled warrior, and he would be able to make — if it was him, and if he did this — he would’ve been able to make a more sophisticated explosive than using propane tanks and camping fuel. He was what you might call a ‘supersoldier.’ If you ever read about the things he was awarded, and the experience he had, some of it doesn’t make sense, when he had the skills and ability to make something more, let’s say, ‘efficient.’ His skills were enormous from what he had been taught in the military.”

    With Livelsberger’s skills, his uncle suggested, his nephew “could have fashioned a bomb that would have obliterated half of that hotel if he seriously wanted to hurt others.”

    “Think of Oklahoma City,” he said. “McVeigh was just a normal soldier. Not a Tier 1 operator like Matt.”

    The quote is really funny because it's completely insane, but the uncle believing the dude is some sort of supersoldier doesn't really mean much at all.

    It's funny because the defense is "no way he did this on purpose, if my nephew was trying to kill people WAY more people would have died."

  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    *the auger stirs, hungrily*

    If the motor will not start I will help crank it by hand

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  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    JimBobTM wrote: »
    I bet he could have thrown a football over that hotel

    Maybe not a football, but certainly this

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  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    I meant to have keen before to be teaching. Like I said, there is a fair bit of risk with that, so if you do it, you only want so many people on that and you want that to be the people that are the least likely to fuck things up.

    So I could believe that we have a fair number of special forces that don't know how to make IEDs because the people training them noted that it would be a disaster to do so.

    Also wouldn't be surprised if that training dealt with more on how to make use of military explosives that should be more reliable and stable and less on how to make a bomb out of nothing but fireworks, gasoline and random household chemicals.

  • RaynagaRaynaga Registered User regular
    I mean, things keep getting weirder with this. He wasn't some guy who served his 4, he was in for 19 years, a master sergeant, special forces...oh, and he show himself in the head before it went off. And served at Liberty at the same time as the NO guy. Who was also military.

    Not saying it isn't what it seems, but a movie plot this could be.

    And a Green Beret with 19 years served and at a master sergeant rank may not be "a super solider" but someone like that could definitely fuck some things up. This isn't a National Guard reservist talking about he's totally deadly at the bar at a VFW.

  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Meanwhile, his uncle.
    “Matt was a very skilled warrior, and he would be able to make — if it was him, and if he did this — he would’ve been able to make a more sophisticated explosive than using propane tanks and camping fuel. He was what you might call a ‘supersoldier.’ If you ever read about the things he was awarded, and the experience he had, some of it doesn’t make sense, when he had the skills and ability to make something more, let’s say, ‘efficient.’ His skills were enormous from what he had been taught in the military.”

    With Livelsberger’s skills, his uncle suggested, his nephew “could have fashioned a bomb that would have obliterated half of that hotel if he seriously wanted to hurt others.”

    “Think of Oklahoma City,” he said. “McVeigh was just a normal soldier. Not a Tier 1 operator like Matt.”

    My man you are not making the case for Tier 1 operators that you think you are

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    Big Dookie wrote: »
    So it’s becoming more clear that the Cybertruck that exploded yesterday was likely intentional and planned.
    The highly decorated Army soldier inside the Tesla Cybertruck that burst into flames outside President-elect Donald Trump’s Las Vegas hotel shot himself in the head before the explosion and likely planned to cause more damage but the explosive was rudimentary and the steel-sided vehicle absorbed much of the force, officials said Thursday.

    So almost certainly not a coincidence, but some of the details are still very strange. This guy was a former Green Beret apparently. You’d think if he’d intended to make a car bomb, he has the kind of background to do so, yet it was a complete failure in terms of destructive power. Maybe he was assuming that the fireworks and stuff would ignite the battery and cause a larger explosion? But that’s taking a big risk when he probably could have made a more “traditional” bomb given his background and skill set.

    There’s also the fact that he was stationed at Fort Bragg at the same time as the guy in New Orleans yesterday. Which likely IS just a coincidence, but still, it’s one hell of a big one.

    Still, congrats to Musk for building a truck so shit that when one explodes nobody's sure if it was intentional or not.

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