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abuse of MS marketplace?
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this is the first time i have heard of any "abuse" of the MS marketplace on XBLA
what is this a reference to and how is it being abused?
what is this a reference to and how is it being abused?
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FYI people in G&T don't take kindly to weak opening posts.
"You need to have answers for this shit. It's like this: the problems that the platform faces are 1) hardware that isn't dependable, 2) for-pay multiplayer and 3) abuse of Marketplace. Everyone knows this, and if they didn't, it would take five minutes to find it out."
if you mean opening as first post.. its not i've been here for years i cant remember my old account or email used.. this is a new acct.
2. Send it to MS.
3. Get a new console with different serial number.
4. All your XBLA won't work offline on your new console.
5. Call MS, get all points refunded.
6. Spend points on whatever you want.
Well, it's a reference to Tycho's newspost.
I have no idea either though.
I think he may actually be referring to some of the shit that happened with EA a little while ago, and some of the other experiments that have happened on the Marketplace (Lumines).
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interesting... never thought of it as i have never been in that situation (sent my 360 back once but got the same one back)
Guitar Hero songs for around the same price.
EA charging for cheat codes.
Lumines.
Nonsense like that.
OOOOHHHH ya that makes sense, publisher/developer abuse
anyway.. ya thanks for the quick replies, back to work now
ya that makes a lot of sense
You mean like having to spend money on cheats and what not? Yeah I see that as being more abusive then the other thing.
For example, the added tracks for Guitar Hero 2 on Xbox 360 are arguably overpriced.
Likewise, many developers are now withholding content from finished game products for the express purpose of offering post-release Marketplace content. So even though you pay $60, developers are purposely leaving chunks of the product out just so they can charge you an additional $10 fee in the weeks after you've made the purchase. See Overlord.
Also, you have situations where developers are TRYING to offer free content via the Marketplace but Microsoft is putting an absolute stop to "free" content and forcing developers to charge a premium at least for a period of time. See the Epic struggle with Gears of War.
The Marketplace is both brilliant and fucking evil. It serves only to fuck Joe Consumer at every possible turn.
Edit: oh yeah, EA... they completely removed cheat codes from their multiplatform games available on the 360 for the sole purpose of charging you out the ass on Marketplace... God that was fucking dumb.
My experience contradicts this. I was able to "Download Again" for each item I own, which applied all of my content to my new console, and made it available to all other profiles on my new console. This was while on the phone with an MS rep, per their instruction. I don't know if they flagged my account to allow this or what.
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I am going to assume that you are talking about Tycho's post on the front page.
Microsoft is abusing marketplace. Next to every god damn game out there, content costs money. Very few games (GoW, Crackdown) have allowed you to download anything for free. MS and the developer are to blame, but I put more blame on MS. Its their service and they should set down guide lines on how much content should be offered before money is involved.
Two new maps for $10? Go fuck off. That should be free.
New maps, small campaign, and some other features. Sure, I will pay for that.
edit: I am a bit bitter towards MS at the moment. 360 is still out for repair.
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Please understand, Nailbunny, that I'm not calling you a liar. I just don't understand how this method could have worked. As you clearly described this in the "My 360 broke (again)" thread, I understand you were able to re-download your content in the Marketplace.
The problem is, this would mean that everyone who "upgraded" for the 360 Elite would now have a solution. Problem is, it just doesn't work for them.
I'm really curious if they DID "flag" your account and if so, why haven't they been doing this all along so as to prevent random distribution of 10s of thousands of Marketplace Points?
Again, this isn't aimed at you, I'm just trying to figure out what's changed all of a sudden.
Yeah I just tested this myself to see if it was true. It isn't. Even deleting the game completely then redownloading it won't get it to work offline.
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the step he's missing is that you have to create a silver account or whatever and use that on the 360 with the points which will be refunded to the new silver account
I wish I was a liar and had some points coming my way.
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No, it was under my main Live account, the account that originally purchased the content. I did not have to repurchase anything.
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I can't help but wonder whether the PC version of the game will end up including any such cut content right out of the box.
They've openly commented that they were already working on Marketplace content before the game was even completed. That's market-babble for "we're holding some stuff back so we can charge more for it later".
I honestly haven't followed Overlord very closely (my 360 has been soaking up the sun down in Texas since before the demo was released so I haven't been drawn to its apparently awesomeness just yet). So to that end, I cannot personally give you a bullet-point listing. Only that the devs have said themselves that they intended to charge for some content they'd whipped up. Content that has no real reason not to be on the actual disc when it ships next week.
That's pretty damn lame of them.
See: Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Seriously, $20 for 8 new characters?
Which is $10.
This is entirely misconstrued. The publisher of the content in question gets to decide how much, if anything, to charge for DLC. Microsoft published Gears. They're not forcing Epic to charge. They're choosing to charge for content that they published.
If Epic had published Gears on the 360 then the choice whether or not to charge for DLC would be theirs.
It was 800 points for 8 new characters not 1600 points
It's not a bad deal especially for the characters you get.
Couple that with "strongly suggesting" that they make content available, it means that devs will start holding back content to release for a fee to make Microsoft happy.
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Absoutely they are forcing Epic to charge and I bet you that's it not a lone case as well even if they are not the publisher, I don't mind paying for the maps from Epic but it's been said that other developers have been forced to charge for content such as the Team 17.
edit: Rook, I agree. I understand when it's just themes/pics made for sale, but when you want me to pay $2 (or whatever it is) so I can turn my 360 into an ad for your game/movie, that's fucking dumb.
Hell, I'm amazed they haven't decided to charge for trailers yet.
400 for each pack. 800 together.
All I've heard is what Major Nelson (who may be biased, but he seems like a good guy trying to keep his listeners and readers well-informed) said: that publishers set the prices.
I can certainly understand MS not wanting to just give away content though, regardless of whether they're the publisher. It's taking up space and burdening the service to have content downloaded from their servers to your 360, and it's their service to do with as they please. The subscription cost doesn't guarantee that you'll have access to free games, maps, and costumes. It guarantees that you'll be able to buy things from the marketplace, download demos, and play online (if you bought Gold).
If I was running a market and made a percentage of ever dollar that came in I wouldn't let people give stuff away that customers would pay for either.
What I'd like to see is more reason for me to keep my Gold status. Best I know, Gold's only advantage is online play, no?
They need to start making some stuff (even minor shit) free for Gold, and cost money for Silver, or something...right now, I'm very tempted to drop Gold because I play online very rarely, and as I understand it, it would not effect my ability to download shows/trailers/games/etc.
I whole heartedly agree with you there, I understand it takes time and work to create them, but not enough to justify paying money for. It would be equivalent to having to pay for screen savers and desktop images. Also, there's no way to preview the item before you buy it, which I think is pretty silly in itself, you could go on-line and check them out I suppose, but that should be a feature built into the system already.
I can imagine them wanting to avoid the absurd bandwidth costs that'd come from every elite owner re-downloading everything.
Gold also gets some demos early, but other than that you're just paying to play online. You can still buy arcade games, shows, and movies with a silver account.