The Bourne Ultimatum (new trailer, new website)

devoir

http://images.apple.com/movies/universal/the_bourne_ultimatum/bourne_ultimatum-tlr2_h640w.mov
http://images.apple.com/movies/universal/the_bourne_ultimatum/bourne_ultimatum-tlr2_h480p.mov
http://images.apple.com/movies/universal/the_bourne_ultimatum/bourne_ultimatum-tlr2_h720p.mov
http://images.apple.com/movies/universal/the_bourne_ultimatum/bourne_ultimatum-tlr2_h1080p.mov

Just download the top one if you aren't sure what the other links are.

http://www.google.com/bourne

Wikipedia wrote:

Rogue agent Jason Bourne (Matt Damon) is being hunted by the people in the CIA who trained him to be an assassin. Still suffering from amnesia and determined to finally learn of his true identity, he is lured out of hiding to contact a journalist named Simon Ross (Paddy Considine), who has been following his story. Throughout his research, Ross has gathered valuable information about Bourne and Treadstone, which trained him. This is rather inconvenient for U.S. government official Noah Vosen (David Strathairn), who is hoping to start a new organization under the codename Blackbriar (which is briefly mentioned at the end of the first film) which would follow in Treadstone’s footsteps.

With intent to rub out Bourne and the journalist before they expose the program’s disturbing secrets, Vosen sends agent Pamela Landy (Joan Allen) to lead the search effort. Simultaneously, Paz (Edgar Ramirez), one of the remaining living Treadstone assassins, is dispatched to find and neutralize Bourne and Ross. In order to finally learn of his true origins and find inner peace, Bourne will have to evade, out-maneuver, and outsmart the deadliest group of highly-trained agents and assassins yet.

Release date is August 3rd in the United States, which is pretty cool considering there was still filming going on during May in France.

strakha_7

I am so there. I love the Identity and Supremacy is pretty good.

I love how they don't use flashy fast effects to make the movies bad ass. Hell, I jus tlove the movies. they are pretty sharp action flicks that make you think a bit but have awesome chase scenes and all that.

No Cars Go

Can't wait.

Rook

I'm slightly worried that the camera style look very similar to The Bourne Supremacy (shakey with fast cuts), and whilst I liked the film I thought the camera work stoped it from being a great film.

But overall I'm just disappointed they don't want to keep Bourne around because his films have been much better than the recent Bond films if you want to see a thriller.

Elki

Woooo! I love Bourne.

Loren Michael

Better than Brosnan's Bond movies thriller-wise, certainly. But certainly not better than Craig's Casino Royale.

EDIT: But yes, Bourne is super-duper.

Coldred

Boooo-urns! Looks pretty good in the trailer (but then, most films do). Anyone read the book? How does that compare. And GoldenEye was a pretty good Bond, just a shame it went downhill (and fast) from there.

Mr_Rose

Rook wrote: »

I'm slightly worried that the camera style look very similar to The Bourne Supremacy (shakey with fast cuts), and whilst I liked the film I thought the camera work stoped it from being a great film.

But overall I'm just disappointed they don't want to keep Bourne around because his films have been much better than the recent Bond films if you want to see a thriller.

Okay, I personally liked the "handycam" look of Supremacy; made it look a lot more like he was actually being chased, especially since they dropped it for the office scenes. Also, Supremacy has one of the greatest chase sequences of all time in it, so it gets bonus points there too.

As for "much better than the recent Bond films" you mean the ones previous to Casino Royale, don't you. Don't you?
If Casino had a flaw it was the over-long poker game. But I care not, for the rest more than makes up for it.

Tube

Coldred wrote: »

Boooo-urns! Looks pretty good in the trailer (but then, most films do). Anyone read the book?

The books and films have basically nothing to do with each other.

Malkor

Cardboard Tube wrote: »

Coldred wrote: »

Boooo-urns! Looks pretty good in the trailer (but then, most films do). Anyone read the book?

The books and films have basically nothing to do with each other.

So.. Are they a good read?

Shurakai

I need to read the books. Apparently they are pretty damb good.

Coldred

Mr_Rose wrote: »

Rook wrote: »

I'm slightly worried that the camera style look very similar to The Bourne Supremacy (shakey with fast cuts), and whilst I liked the film I thought the camera work stoped it from being a great film.

But overall I'm just disappointed they don't want to keep Bourne around because his films have been much better than the recent Bond films if you want to see a thriller.

Okay, I personally liked the "handycam" look of Supremacy; made it look a lot more like he was actually being chased, especially since they dropped it for the office scenes. Also, Supremacy has one of the greatest chase sequences of all time in it, so it gets bonus points there too.

As for "much better than the recent Bond films" you mean the ones previous to Casino Royale, don't you. Don't you?
If Casino had a flaw it was the over-long poker game. But I care not, for the rest more than makes up for it.

Isn't the poker game kind of the main point of the film? Not to get off-topic though.

Loren Michael

From the trailer:

"If you were in your office, we'd be having this conversation face-to-face."

Glee!

Coldred

Loren Michael wrote: »

From the trailer:

"If you were in your office, we'd be having this conversation face-to-face."

Glee!

Yeah, but he's always doing the "Mwahaha! I'm watching you, while you're looking for me" thingy. The sneaky bastard.

Edit: Still the "I remember everything now" thing is pretty cool.

Loren Michael

I liked it 'cause it seemed like he was just idly curious, just fucking with him. Like, "hey, you're not around your house dude, juuust calling to check up on you..."

Craveon

Julia Stiles is hot, and I like her character in these movies. I hope they extend that role a bit for this one.

Shurakai

Apparently the reasoning behind going after borne isn't so much "protection of the people" in this one, its purely personal. I find that kind of awesome.

Rook

I think CR could have been a lot better than it was, they're using the same script writers that came on with TWINE and followed up with DAD, and quite frankly it shows. Yeah, the poker game was pretty awful (seriously, you think this world class poker player has a tell that a five year old could figure out?).

As for the camera work, I think (and this is especially true the first time you watch it) that it makes it far too difficult to keep track of what is going on. And so I get the feeling you're missing a lot of cool stuff in favour of being shown someones leg, or the floor.

Rook

Craveon wrote: »

Julia Stiles is hot, and I like her character in these movies. I hope they extend that role a bit for this one.

From what I read, she basically becomes the new love interest. Although that was AGEESSSS ago so I'm not sure if that's still in there.

geckahn

Cardboard Tube wrote: »

Coldred wrote: »

Boooo-urns! Looks pretty good in the trailer (but then, most films do). Anyone read the book?

The books and films have basically nothing to do with each other.

Identity is similar to the book. Not like right on or anything, but they definitely are similar.

Pretty good reads though.

Adrien

My favorite part of Supremacy:

Pamela Landy, to a field officer: Listen, Jason Bourne is armed and extremely dangerous.

This right after Bourne beat him up and took his gun. He's like, yeah... thanks for that.

Threelemmings

geckahn wrote: »

Cardboard Tube wrote: »

Coldred wrote: »

Boooo-urns! Looks pretty good in the trailer (but then, most films do). Anyone read the book?

The books and films have basically nothing to do with each other.

Identity is similar to the book. Not like right on or anything, but they definitely are similar.

Pretty good reads though.

And then they diverge very very heavily.

Book:

Hey, China! Cause, you know, Bourne is supposed to be a big Asian expert so it makes sense to put him back in the area of his expertise.

Movie:

OLOL EUROPE PT 2

I do wish they had kind of stuck with the whole "mental anguish of scholar vs assassin" thing... though that may have been a little harder to portray in the movie. But the fact that it is impossible to guess what he will do next is a big part of the "DIE BOURNE DIE" theme of government vs. poor assassin dude caught in world shaking events.

Underdog

Question about Supremacy

Does anyone know why they killed off Franka Potente's character so quickly?

Ultimatum looks pretty awesome. Another long car chase? Ha!

Senjutsu

Shurakai wrote: »

I need to read the books. Apparently they are pretty damb good.

The books are just awful. Ludlum might be the most turgid author to ever sell a book.

Re: nholder

Underdog wrote: »

Question about Supremacy

Does anyone know why they killed off Franka Potente's character so quickly?

Ultimatum looks pretty awesome. Another long car chase? Ha!

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they just wanted to give a quick, simple reason for him to go assassiny again. I mean, it wouldn't of worked very well with him dragging her all over the place.

Also, the long car chases are arguably the best action scenes in the movies. Although, the fight scenes are very well done. Really gets the brutality across.

devoir

The fight scenes are incredible. I'm hoping that The Dark Knight allows us to see a bit more of Batman in action, because both Bourne and Batman (for the movies) were choreographed using very direct, brutal techniques...

We should take bets on what everyday object he's going to use to kick someone's ass this time. The first one it was a pen, the second it was a magazine.

Bets for a rubber ducky?

Duki

The books are competent and quite interesting. They're not particularly excellent art, but I found them to be a very enjoyable read.

I guess I have a higher tolerance for well written adventure-but-not-anything-else books than some people.

IShallRiseAgain

I like the movies, but for some reason they make me sleepy, its like a lullaby of death.

Underdog

Re: nholder wrote: »

Underdog wrote: »

Question about Supremacy

Does anyone know why they killed off Franka Potente's character so quickly?

Ultimatum looks pretty awesome. Another long car chase? Ha!

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they just wanted to give a quick, simple reason for him to go assassiny again. I mean, it wouldn't of worked very well with him dragging her all over the place.

Also, the long car chases are arguably the best action scenes in the movies. Although, the fight scenes are very well done. Really gets the brutality across.

I suppose but even before she died, it looked like he was going to make good on his promise of hitting them hard and fast if they refused to leave him alone.

I ask because I like Franka Potente.

Jaunty

Yeah, I was bummed when her character got killed off, too. I really liked her in Identity, it really threw me when she died out of no-where in the second one.

Threelemmings

Senjutsu wrote: »

Shurakai wrote: »

I need to read the books. Apparently they are pretty damb good.

The books are just awful. Ludlum might be the most turgid author to ever sell a book.

This is true and also immaterial, for me at least. I get to parts where I recognize that the writing could be a whole lot better, and that there's all kinds of stuff going wrong, but then the actual story gets me and I keep on enjoying it. His writing may be hit and miss, but the actual story (for me at least) is spot on. That said, everyone has different methods for reading, and the way I put the picture together in my head undoubtedly helps.

Now in regards to Potente?

Her death is supposed to be the change from homemaker Bourne to lord destroyer Bourne. Her presence leads a lot of stability to his mind, and whenever he is away from her (bookwise, at least) he slides farther and farther into Bourne mode, slowly losing touch with the David Webb personality (the "real" Bourne). I think the reason it doesn't make much sense in the movie is that they were trying to adapt it from the books, and imported the scene with 0% context.

EDIT: In fact, it would have been very cool if he had disconnected from reality when she died, and not just got angry; the whole "I don't care if I die" Bourne where he screams at people and turns into the "Technician" (he freaks out a psychopathic serial killer) is some of the craziest stuff in the story.

Endomatic

I don't like these movies.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

Underdog

Threelemmings wrote: »

Now in regards to Potente?

Her death is supposed to be the change from homemaker Bourne to lord destroyer Bourne. Her presence leads a lot of stability to his mind, and whenever he is away from her (bookwise, at least) he slides farther and farther into Bourne mode, slowly losing touch with the David Webb personality (the "real" Bourne). I think the reason it doesn't make much sense in the movie is that they were trying to adapt it from the books, and imported the scene with 0% context.

EDIT: In fact, it would have been very cool if he had disconnected from reality when she died, and not just got angry; the whole "I don't care if I die" Bourne where he screams at people and turns into the "Technician" (he freaks out a psychopathic serial killer) is some of the craziest stuff in the story.

Marie doesn't actually die in the books though does she? Is your edit from the book or did I just forget a whole chunk of the 2nd movie?

Coldred

electricitylikesme wrote: »

I don't know, meaningless deaths when people are shooting at each other has always seemed appropriate to me. Collateral damage happens and I think it needs to emphasized more often.

If there's one thing that annoys me in films is when the main characters run through a hail of bullets and yet somehow survive unscathed. Bond films are pretty much the worst for this. Hell, even Casino Royale did it (i.e. the scene in the Embassy).

Threelemmings

Underdog wrote: »

Threelemmings wrote: »

Now in regards to Potente?

Her death is supposed to be the change from homemaker Bourne to lord destroyer Bourne. Her presence leads a lot of stability to his mind, and whenever he is away from her (bookwise, at least) he slides farther and farther into Bourne mode, slowly losing touch with the David Webb personality (the "real" Bourne). I think the reason it doesn't make much sense in the movie is that they were trying to adapt it from the books, and imported the scene with 0% context.

EDIT: In fact, it would have been very cool if he had disconnected from reality when she died, and not just got angry; the whole "I don't care if I die" Bourne where he screams at people and turns into the "Technician" (he freaks out a psychopathic serial killer) is some of the craziest stuff in the story.

Marie doesn't actually die in the books though does she? Is your edit from the book or did I just forget a whole chunk of the 2nd movie?

It kind of applies to both.

In the movie, she dies right at the beginning. In the book, she is kidnapped, and Bourne/Webb is given a job to do, with HIS condition being the instant he accomplishes it he can call a secure line and hear her voice within ten seconds. Without giving away too much of the story (cause its a good read) she escapes and the "who's the good guy, who's the bad guy, who do I trust" thing begins as people try to get her back before Bourne calls the line and doesn't hear her answer. Thus, him thinking her dead.

Coldred wrote: »

electricitylikesme wrote: »

I don't know, meaningless deaths when people are shooting at each other has always seemed appropriate to me. Collateral damage happens and I think it needs to emphasized more often.

If there's one thing that annoys me in films is when the main characters run through a hail of bullets and yet somehow survive unscathed. Bond films are pretty much the worst for this. Hell, even Casino Royale did it (i.e. the scene in the Embassy).

Yeah, I do like that about the movies and books, because they deal with it a bit better than most (the movies still have a decent sized plot shield). Bourne is always getting banged up, limping everywhere, breaking ribs, and popping pills for pain/staying awake. The character actually deal with some of the implications of running away from a horde of government men. I think at some point someone even gets blisters at one point and they have to sneak into a pharmacy or something.

devoir

Threelemmings wrote: »

Coldred wrote: »

electricitylikesme wrote: »

I don't know, meaningless deaths when people are shooting at each other has always seemed appropriate to me. Collateral damage happens and I think it needs to emphasized more often.

If there's one thing that annoys me in films is when the main characters run through a hail of bullets and yet somehow survive unscathed. Bond films are pretty much the worst for this. Hell, even Casino Royale did it (i.e. the scene in the Embassy).

Yeah, I do like that about the movies and books, because they deal with it a bit better than most (the movies still have a decent sized plot shield). Bourne is always getting banged up, limping everywhere, breaking ribs, and popping pills for pain/staying awake. The character actually deal with some of the implications of running away from a horde of government men. I think at some point someone even gets blisters at one point and they have to sneak into a pharmacy or something.

In some ways, it was one of the things I thought they got right with Daredevil. Unless I'm remembering wrong, he gets royally messed up doing the things he does, even when he's just out on patrol.

It makes it mean more, to me at least, when a character suffers but still pulls off the various awesome things required by the story, in a 'realistic' fashion. i.e. the shot to the arm causes zero issues with fighting off martial arts maniacs.

Underdog

Threelemmings wrote: »

Underdog wrote: »

Threelemmings wrote: »

Now in regards to Potente?

Her death is supposed to be the change from homemaker Bourne to lord destroyer Bourne. Her presence leads a lot of stability to his mind, and whenever he is away from her (bookwise, at least) he slides farther and farther into Bourne mode, slowly losing touch with the David Webb personality (the "real" Bourne). I think the reason it doesn't make much sense in the movie is that they were trying to adapt it from the books, and imported the scene with 0% context.

EDIT: In fact, it would have been very cool if he had disconnected from reality when she died, and not just got angry; the whole "I don't care if I die" Bourne where he screams at people and turns into the "Technician" (he freaks out a psychopathic serial killer) is some of the craziest stuff in the story.

Marie doesn't actually die in the books though does she? Is your edit from the book or did I just forget a whole chunk of the 2nd movie?

It kind of applies to both.

In the movie, she dies right at the beginning. In the book, she is kidnapped, and Bourne/Webb is given a job to do, with HIS condition being the instant he accomplishes it he can call a secure line and hear her voice within ten seconds. Without giving away too much of the story (cause its a good read) she escapes and the "who's the good guy, who's the bad guy, who do I trust" thing begins as people try to get her back before Bourne calls the line and doesn't hear her answer. Thus, him thinking her dead.

Oh shit, the book version sounds fantastic. I believe I shall employ my Chapters' employee discount and look into the series.

Oh man, I can just imagine the bad guys shitting themselves when they realize Marie has escaped and that Bourne is SO gonna kick their asses if he doesn't hear her voice on the other end of the phone call. I would have liked to see this as the second movie's plot.

devoir

I like Ludlum's stories, but not his writing. I have similar difficulty with it that I have with Tolkien - it's just very hard to get into. I end up skimming a lot of it because his prose just seems unwieldy except from an overview.

Threelemmings

Underdog wrote: »

Oh shit, the book version sounds fantastic. I believe I shall employ my Chapters' employee discount and look into the series.

Oh man, I can just imagine the bad guys shitting themselves when they realize Marie has escaped and that Bourne is SO gonna kick their asses if he doesn't hear her voice on the other end of the phone call. I would have liked to see this as the second movie's plot.

Oh, you'll enjoy that part. I'll say no more, cause it's great. And a major plot driver :winky:.

Devoir hit the nail on the head. There are some parts where he just loses the flow. "His killers were killed, etc etc," but the storyline is spot on and there really are some extremely well written sections here and there. I don't know how Ludlum wrote, but sometimes he's hot and sometimes he's not.

Endomatic

devoir wrote: »

I like Ludlum's stories, but not his writing. I have similar difficulty with it that I have with Tolkien - it's just very hard to get into. I end up skimming a lot of it because his prose just seems unwieldy except from an overview.

I totally skipped like... most of the meeting in Rivendell. It had a lot of fluff and stuff yes, but enough is enough.