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What is the point of the Hostel movies?
bloodyroarxx
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So my mom and a friend are watching Hostel 2 and I'm trying to wonder after seeing a scene
To me all these seem like is fake snuff films. I see no advancement of movies or even real enjoyment of this kind of "entertainment". Video games are under fire because of violence and these movies have little semblance of a plot and just as much violence and just seem to exist for Eli Roth to money cause he is a sick fuck.
some girl was hung upside down and some lady bathed in her blood after attacking her with a scythe.
what is the point of these movies?To me all these seem like is fake snuff films. I see no advancement of movies or even real enjoyment of this kind of "entertainment". Video games are under fire because of violence and these movies have little semblance of a plot and just as much violence and just seem to exist for Eli Roth to money cause he is a sick fuck.
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It's the same reasoning behind a roller coaster. Yeah, the lines are long, it costs too much, and it only lasts for like 20 seconds, but it's worth it for those moments when you're cringing in your chair. Maybe Hostel just sucks, but parts of Saw freaked me out with the gore and depictions of raw, unadulterated pain. If you can't react to that, I don't know what to say. I guess you don't find roller coasters fun because they strap you in.
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Ebert has odd views about video games, but I blame it on what generation he comes from.
He says that because the player has an effect on the outcome of the game, the player becomes the artist. I guess he doesn't understand that most games are linear and only have one plot outcome.
He does not, however, think highly of gore porn films. I give you his review for Wolf Creek:
I believe that the first couple of sentences of the review apply quite aptly to the Hostel films.
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They're both fake. You're really not seeing people being tortured, and you're really not going to fall out of your rollercoaster and die during a loop-de-loop, but you can't help thinking that's how it really is.
I don't think it's really that entertaining, but I see how people get their kicks from it.
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Aside from that, it's the simple adrenaline rush and the release of tension, perhaps from people who have too mundane a lifestyle for their own tastes.
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Personally, as someone who grew up hunting, and thus playing in animal guts, horror movies mostly bore me to death. Last time I went to one was at behest of an ex-girlfriend, and I'm pretty sure she was just looking for an excuse to put herself in the above situation; personally, -I- wanted to go see the movie with the tap-dancing Penguins. I saw it later, and it rocked so hard. The horror movie was stupid and boring.
They're just torture porn.
There's an immense interest in stalking, captivity, torture, etc. judging by forums and RP areas I've run across in the last decade.
Yes, I'm sure that's exactly it. What a clever agenda. It can't possibly be because people just like to watch other people who are in perilously dangerous situations.
I don't agree that immersing a sadistic violent person in movies geared towards sadistic violent people is going to make them less sadistic and violent, or somehow satisfy their craving for it so they won't enact their violence in the real world. In my limited experience, when a pyromaniac goes to a bonfire they're just tempted to make a bigger one.
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What, like, Indiana Jones?
One kind of thrill is not the same as another.
Rollercoasters aren't exactly "fake". I either don't get or don't buy your analogy in that respect. You're actually experiencing the speed and danger firsthand on a rollercoaster. If you want to compare movies, so we can better use the term "fake" to apply to the non-documentaries and the like, I still don't see how one thrill is analogous to another.
The thrill from seeing someone tortured and killed is only vaguely analogous to the thrill of seeing Bruce Willis jumping on top of an airplane.
That's what confuses me. People's mothers watch this shit. My sibling got Saw for CHRISTMAS and she and my mom watched it.
I'm of the opinion that it's quite fucked up.
Sure, but it's not just limited to a genre or even movies in general.
If a guy (alive of course) was sort of hanging meagerly off the edge of a very tall building, I guarantee there would be a huge crowd watching to see if he falls or not. And I wouldn't doubt that you would watch too.
I do not enjoy torture porn.
There's a difference between even the extremely gory slasher flicks of the 80s and the shit coming out today.
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It's the intensity of it is the thing.
That's still not the same as someone having their eyeball scooped out one section at a time or whatever.
You should probably read the quote in my sig. :P
We have a misunderstood hero who can't communicate.
We have horrible little people who can never hope to understand his genius.
When he tries to explain it to them, they scream and run and when he tries to make them be quiet he . . . just gets to vigorous and tragedy strikes
then it's either try to explain things to hostile law enforcement or just kill more people, and once you're warmed up, well, you know.
But seriously - it's a simple reassurance. You watch it, and you think "I wouldn't just fall down and scream. I'd fight. I'd scap. I'd run."
By the end of the movie, you're happy for the heroine (almost always the heroine) because she finally acted as you think you would in that situation.
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This leads to more questions. "Why heroine?" Also there is a difference between the logic of horror (which does seem to fit what you described) and the logic of non nc 17 porn (which may or may not fit the description but which will push the limits of the censors).
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Dude, porn's pictures to beat off too. It doesn't have that much to do with anything.
It's generally a heroine because if it's a man, fighting the killer as an equal, it becomes a different genre. An action movie, where a hero and a killer who are both supertough motherfuckers, beat on each other, you have a different empathy and different identification with the characters.
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Yeah I shouldn't have used the term "nc 17 porn". I didn't mean porn porn. It's just interesting that its a woman. I see what you are saying about different genres but it is interesting that in horror it's a girl is all. I haven't really thought on it.
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We aren't talking about that sort of porn.
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Agreed. Today's stuff aren't horror movies. You don't get scared. It's just gory shit designed to make you feel squeamish. There's not much in the way of horror to it. Personally, I think they're trash.
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You pay attention, I was making a point.
Porn's defined by its purpose, essentially. Deep throat is porn, brown bunny is art.
And I call bullshit on this "OMG this modern shit is shit old shit better"
I've watched a metric shitload of horror movies. Most of the old ones that scared you guys so much just don't hold up that great when re-watched, particularly the "gory 80s slasher flicks" that aren't actually one genre (urban splatterpunk, supernatural horror, science fiction, and serial horror all have different . . . roots? Triggers?) . . . I'd grant an exception to the Nightmare on Elmstreet movies, which made an attempt at real atmosphere, but by and large they have simpler plots, greater contrivance, and less character development then an Eli Roth movie.
I do think that there are, for lack of a better term, thrillers and horror movies.
Saw I was a thriller - it had a puzzle, psychology, genuine mystery as to the motive of the 'killer'
Saw II and III were horror movies, looking to get higher jumps by putting bigger blocks under the ramps.
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Eli Roth makes horror movies because that's what he's been doing since highschool.
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A generation is growing up thinking idiocy like Hostel is "horror." It's not.
It is lamentable.
Name some real horror then
please
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