I don't know if I can be constructive... but I just squirted a bottle of soap directly into my eyes.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
Alright, hey and thanks for that. I'm kinda new to this and don't really know how I should be doing things. =/
I just figured out how to create a website, and I'm also just getting used to my Wacom Tablet, haha. But I've always loved drawing and cartoons, so I want a way to share it, I apologize for my scatter brained-ness and lack of attention to rules. =[
Any tips on how to get it out there, or criticism on the site and comics would be great, I'm always trying to improve.
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BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
edited August 2007
Well, the first thing is can you post some of the comics from your site in this thread? That would really help, since I'm still not sure if we've seen any of your art or not yet.
I can't really critique the artwork - "That's the style I draw in" - and the jokes aren't that funny. So, I'll critique how you handled this thread.
In the future, don't make a bunch of mistakes caused by not reading the stickied READ THIS FIRST thread at the top of every forum page. Then, when you do make those mistakes, don't ignore everyone, take your toys and go home in a huff.
I can't really critique the artwork - "That's the style I draw in" - and the jokes aren't that funny. So, I'll critique how you handled this thread.
In the future, don't make a bunch of mistakes caused by not reading the stickied READ THIS FIRST thread at the top of every forum page. Then, when you do make those mistakes, don't ignore everyone, take your toys and go home in a huff.
Fine.
And for everyone else from here on out, this doesn't need to be added to or elaborated on past this point. It happened, it's over, forget about it.
Everyone turn your attention to the subject at hand, please.
Do you see that white fuzz around your image's transparency? Do you know why that's there? It's because a GIF can support either a solid image or a fully transparent image, but it can't display partial transparencies. Those white areas are what photoshop was interpreting as a partial transparency which give a nice ditherning effect, but when converted to GIF, these usually turn solid.
Remember, when those cool kids come up to you telling you that GIF transparencies are "the bomb" or "off the hook" and you should try them, just say no.
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I secretly want to say something out of place, because Mars' infractions were all sorts of sexy.
Makes sense. The whole "Negative Space" Thing my High School Art Teacher talked about.
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BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
edited August 2007
Your art style looks... sloppy? Slipshod? It seems like you're trying to draw a strip at roughly the same size you'd see in your newspaper's funny pages, and that's causing a lot of cramped drawing and bad inking.
I assume you're working with pen and paper then scanning it in, and that means you can work big, pretty much as big as one panel per page if you really want to push it. More realistically just expand what you're doing till your three panels take up an entire page, then go in and start your sketching. Since this being published on the internet, you don't have to worry about keeping it in a certain format to make it fit with other comics on a sheet of newsprint. Work big. It will improve your art almost automatically.
I don't really know where to start with your characters. They're inconsistent, which isn't something you want with a comic - a character's hair shouldn't change styles between panels, nor should the shape of their shoes or hands. You don't seem to know your characters' anatomy very well, which is going to cause problems if you have to draw them doing something more active than standing still or sitting. If you haven't already, try doing some sketches of your characters on their own from various angles ( front, profile, from above, from below, etc.) to get a feel of how they should look. It'll also help you design more interesting characters, since the ones you have right now are just guys in jeans wearing t-shirts.
Also, your colouring is working at cross purposes with your inking style. Since your artwork is simplistic and cartoony, you'd probably be better at picking simple flat-shaded characers and backgrounds, instead of trying to add highlights and shadows that expose the anatomical and structural flaws of your drawings.
Finally, the writing on this is... not to my tastes. I can't really comment on it, but neither of the strips was really funny to me. Video game jokes in particular are something that webcomics do too often, so unless you're really really good at it it's best to just stick to more original source material.
Thanks Rolo for the input. The stuff was actually done with a Wacom tablet, I just recently got as a birthday gift, not pen and ink, but none-the-less, your criticism still makes sense. I think before I do any new stuff I will try your idea of drawing characters in different mannerisms and styles.
you may want to consider putting a solid border around the entire comic. IE: white or something neutral. Floating blocks look fine on these forums because blue tends to go well with anything, but if these were posted somewhere else, color clashing could be displeasing. If you had a solid border, that would never become a problem, the comic would be its own element on the page.
Does that makes sense? The more i read it the less it does...
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BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
Thanks Rolo for the input. The stuff was actually done with a Wacom tablet, I just recently got as a birthday gift, not pen and ink, but none-the-less, your criticism still makes sense. I think before I do any new stuff I will try your idea of drawing characters in different mannerisms and styles.
Unless you've really mastered sketching with pencil and paper and inking with a pen or marker, I'd say stay away from doing all your drawing on the Wacom. While it does let you skip a few steps, drawing with a stylus puts an additional layer between you and your canvas, and that can be really detrimental, especially for someone who's still trying to master confident, even lines.
If you can, sketch this stuff out in a sketchbook, ink on top of your final sketches, then erase the lines underneath and scan the cleaned-up inks into the PC. Once you have it all cleaned up, that's when you bust out the Wacom to do your colouring.
I second the call for solid borders. Your current comic looks like you drew each panel separately, cut them out sloppily, and then pasted them together in roughly the right spots. If you're using a tablet there's no excuse whatsoever for sloppy lines. The thing draws them straight for you.
Also, pay attention to the position of the words in your word balloons. Word balloons are round for a reason. Left-justifying the text in a round balloon wastes space and looks bad.
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Post some of the strips in here (use photobucket if you don't have hosting) and we'll give you a critique on the artwork.
Like, what does it mean when you hype a webcomic when there is no webcomic, man?
Like, whoa man.
Deep.
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Haha.
Like a so:
Otherwise it just looks like sitewhoring.
And we don't like sitewhoring.
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Well it looks like the OP has given up before we actually go to see his comic anyway, so oh well.
I just figured out how to create a website, and I'm also just getting used to my Wacom Tablet, haha. But I've always loved drawing and cartoons, so I want a way to share it, I apologize for my scatter brained-ness and lack of attention to rules. =[
Any tips on how to get it out there, or criticism on the site and comics would be great, I'm always trying to improve.
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In the future, don't make a bunch of mistakes caused by not reading the stickied READ THIS FIRST thread at the top of every forum page. Then, when you do make those mistakes, don't ignore everyone, take your toys and go home in a huff.
Fine.
And for everyone else from here on out, this doesn't need to be added to or elaborated on past this point. It happened, it's over, forget about it.
Everyone turn your attention to the subject at hand, please.
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Remember, when those cool kids come up to you telling you that GIF transparencies are "the bomb" or "off the hook" and you should try them, just say no.
EDIT:
I secretly want to say something out of place, because Mars' infractions were all sorts of sexy.
I'm not really sure what you mean. :P
I assume you're working with pen and paper then scanning it in, and that means you can work big, pretty much as big as one panel per page if you really want to push it. More realistically just expand what you're doing till your three panels take up an entire page, then go in and start your sketching. Since this being published on the internet, you don't have to worry about keeping it in a certain format to make it fit with other comics on a sheet of newsprint. Work big. It will improve your art almost automatically.
I don't really know where to start with your characters. They're inconsistent, which isn't something you want with a comic - a character's hair shouldn't change styles between panels, nor should the shape of their shoes or hands. You don't seem to know your characters' anatomy very well, which is going to cause problems if you have to draw them doing something more active than standing still or sitting. If you haven't already, try doing some sketches of your characters on their own from various angles ( front, profile, from above, from below, etc.) to get a feel of how they should look. It'll also help you design more interesting characters, since the ones you have right now are just guys in jeans wearing t-shirts.
Also, your colouring is working at cross purposes with your inking style. Since your artwork is simplistic and cartoony, you'd probably be better at picking simple flat-shaded characers and backgrounds, instead of trying to add highlights and shadows that expose the anatomical and structural flaws of your drawings.
Finally, the writing on this is... not to my tastes. I can't really comment on it, but neither of the strips was really funny to me. Video game jokes in particular are something that webcomics do too often, so unless you're really really good at it it's best to just stick to more original source material.
I see what you mean now, because the color can go over and indeed it does make it icky. =/
Does that makes sense? The more i read it the less it does...
Unless you've really mastered sketching with pencil and paper and inking with a pen or marker, I'd say stay away from doing all your drawing on the Wacom. While it does let you skip a few steps, drawing with a stylus puts an additional layer between you and your canvas, and that can be really detrimental, especially for someone who's still trying to master confident, even lines.
If you can, sketch this stuff out in a sketchbook, ink on top of your final sketches, then erase the lines underneath and scan the cleaned-up inks into the PC. Once you have it all cleaned up, that's when you bust out the Wacom to do your colouring.
Also, pay attention to the position of the words in your word balloons. Word balloons are round for a reason. Left-justifying the text in a round balloon wastes space and looks bad.