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We'll fix it in post-production... by like digitally putting back in the footage that I wanted to shoot but didn't have the money to at the time... or... like just the next round.
Goddamnit I hate it when I wake up too early... it's like 5:30 am, I should have slept for another hour.
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
Do I need to make another Acrobatics check this round?
Well, if you kill the dude and want to hop into the seat of the speeding bike, yes, make it a... DC 20, and an acrobatic 15 as a reaction to keep hold of the bike if you fail.
Otherwise you're just holding on, and I won't make you roll for that.
Also, the ref defense of your enemy is one less 'cuz you sent him down the condition track with that last attack
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
I think I am going to give Casso one dark side point for use of the force directly against a living thing, plus a bit of a lack in emotional control... he can get rid of it by burning a force point this round or deal with it later.
I think I am going to give Casso one dark side point for use of the force directly against a living thing, plus a bit of a lack in emotional control... he can get rid of it by burning a force point this round or deal with it later.
omg nub y dont u read sum Machyavelly endz justifyn tha meenz
Something tells me the Jedi wouldn't have been too hot on his form of government, though.
The Jedi Code, Dark Side Points, and You
(this message brought to you by Horseshoe's lunch break)
There is no emotion, there is only peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no death, there is the Force.
So you're a Jedi. You're one of the hallowed guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy. And you can do awesome stuff with the Force. Awesome, right? Well, it's not all wine and roses. Or Jawa Juice and... whatever the hell groovy plants they have on Ithor.
Part of responsibility of being a Jedi is adherence to the Code, which gives you instructions for how to use the Force properly. Jedi are taught to act wisely, only resorting to the use of their saber -- and especially force powers -- in a violent manner when there is no other alternative. Though quite skilled at combat from years of training, a Jedi avoids making it his first alternative.
However... the temptation to break the Code can be great. Physical violence is at times a convenient method to put an end to injustices... and the use of the Force for violent purposes is even quick, even easier. These actions come not from a desire to protect, but to dominate. This is the path to the Dark Side.
In the Saga Edition Roleplaying Game, characters can committ "Dark Side Transgressions" and earn Dark Side Points. These points are not really used to "do" anything, though sometimes having a Dark Side Score of 1 or greater makes you susceptible to certain attacks or special abilities, or a certain Dark Side Score may be required to use certain abilities. In short: one's Dark Side score measures the extent to which they have been corrupted by the lure of the Dark Side.
For example... let's look at Casso's recent actions. He became scared that the Pike Twins or himself might get hurt by the enemy that had leaped aboard his ship, and so he attempted to grab and throw the enemy using his Move Object power.
So why is this a transgression?
First, from a roleplaying perspective, Casso's behavior. He became emotional... he used the Force in an act of desparation, a state arising from fear. His desire to save the Twins came not from a sense of duty... but one of attachment. The thought of them being hurt angered him... and we see how attachment leads to the fear of loss... how fear leads to anger... and how the path of the Dark Side opens itself to a young Padawan still trying to find his way.
The core rulebook discusses "major" (definitely gives a dark side point), "moderate" (might give a dark side point) and "minor" (probably not give a dark side point) transgressions against the Code. Here's a few examples:
Using a "Dark Side" power like Force Lightning - Major Transgression (all the bad guys do this at some point. Vader particularly seems to like choking people. 'specially insubordinates who inconvenience him.)
Using the Force in anger - Major Transgression (like when Vader chokes the shit out of his wife for instance... that's a bit much, eh?)
Using a force power to harm a living being - Moderate Transgression (Obi-Wan harms General Grievous with a Force Push... but this might not be a transgression due to the fact that an evil cyborg with four lightsabers was pretty intent on killing him)
Killing an opponent while in combat when there might have been a chance to spare him) - Minor Transgression (Could Obi-Wan have incapacitated Darth Maul instead of killing him? Probably. Would it have been a good idea to have an insane tattooed murderous Sith Lord still alive and probably still very willing and able to kill you? Probably not. This is "dubiously evil" and won't necessarily result in a Dark Side point)
Casso has most likely guilty of a moderate transgression... he used the force on a living being. And the Force is created by all living things... which is why respect for life is inherent in the teachings of the Jedi. He knows better... and he will atone.
Let's look at Nar by comparison. At first glance, Nar seems like a pretty cold glass of water. He is very efficient in combat, and seems to kill without emotion. Nar is actually doing quite well by the code, though to some non-Jedi he might seem a bit frightening. In our first encounter, he senses the cowardice of his attackers and uses the force to make him flee rather than fighting him. He protects the lives of those around them, and only killed when the enemy could not be dealt with by other means. He faces a difficult path... as a Sentinel, he must seek out and confront the Dark Side regularly without being corrupted by it. He is keeps his respect and compassion alive, and remains true to The Force.
But what about the bad guys? Those for whom there is no remorse, who rack up dark side point after dark side point? Or what about a good guy who is constantly on the slide?
When a character's Dark Side score is equal to their Wisdom attribute, they are considered to be completely corrupted... he has embraced and become consumed by the Dark Side. In some campaigns, a GM might actually "take away" this sort of character if it doesn't fit with the heroic setting. In others, the "greyness" of the events may mean that the Dark Side will inevitably be confronted and used, and a corrupt character could still fit in. This is a difficult and delicate kind of GM decision.
How does one go about losing a Dark Side point? Well, one simple way is to use a Force Point... and those are handy, and tough to part with! Thematically speaking, the use of a Force Point reflects that the character has focused, looked inward, and realized their mistake.
A character might also directly atone for a misdeed, or redeem themself with an act of dramatic heroism without using the nature of the Dark Side. When a character has become fully corrupted, dramatic heroiesm is the only thing that can redeem him.
Any force-user, Jedi or otherwise, will have to deal with facing the Dark Side from time to time, and each GM has to figure out how to decide whether or not their actions will have consequences in the game.
Oh yeah, and Casso has a +1 Destiny Bonus to his skill checks and ability checks for the next 24 hours, due to the fact that Phow Ji fulfilled his "rescue" destiny by saving the Pike Twins from being killed.
I should do a thing on Destiny and Destiny Points next.
Say Casso had used The Force on the bike behind him and caused it to crash. Is it a transgression since he didn’t use the force directly on a living being?
Yes. Using the Force with intent to harm is considered a moderate transgression, and slamming a bike into a rock or the ground cannot be construed as anything but 'intent to harm.'
The Force is handy and quite versatile and that's why it's so easy to slide to the dark side. The Dark Side is the Easy way.
Got ya. So Casso should have just lightsabered the biker on the speeder, and tried to evade the other biker.
That is if they hadn't all been blown out of the sky.
However, by extension you could say any use of the force is intended to harm. I mean, I don't think Nar surged his way over to the first bike to go joyriding.
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
Got ya. So Casso should have just lightsabered the biker on the speeder, and tried to evade the other biker.
That is if they hadn't all been blown out of the sky.
However, by extension you could say any use of the force is intended to harm. I mean, I don't think Nar surged his way over to the first bike to go joyriding.
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It's like I saw the entire plot before my eyes
And I assumed I was right
Didn't wanna spoil anything
off to bed now, will be back to post in 7ish hours.
Seriously, I'm performing moderate transgressions of the Jedi Code left and right and there isn't even anything coming of it. What is wrong with meee
It'll be good role play when Nar is all "THE FORCE. IS NOT. A WEAPON." and Casso is all "get bent dude"
edit: this is me sleeping, sleepposting
t Salt get bent
Will be back to post in the mornin' for real this time
I was pulling for you dude
When I fail, I fail properly
We're talking Frodo at the lip of Mount Doom here, dangling the One Ring over the lava.
That is where I roll a two, fling the Ring into the claws of the oncoming Nazgul, slip, and fall into the lava.
edit: SEE?!
That Dark Asshole Speedercycle Gang rolled really fucking well.
That guy just stood up from prone in the square next to Casso and drew a weapon, Jim.
ATTACK OF OPPORTUNITY HIS ASS NOW!
oh wait please tell me I can ignite my lightsaber before it please please please pleeease
Take advantage of my ignorance
edit: after reviewing the play in the booth
you actually took two move actions that round... what you could've done:
Move: Draw Saber
Swift: Ignite Saber
Standard: Use Force
Reaction: Avoid Collision
And, well, you wouldn't have avoided the collision but the damage would've been incidental... seeing how the speeder got blown up next round.
So, we'll call that saber ignited and the AoO legal.
Biker eats it. For once, I can rest assured that I have done something.
And might I take this time to inform you (again) that you are one magnificent bastard. I am genuinely sad right now because of Phow's last scene.
And now I'm off to bed because it is fantastically late.
I must agree, excellent work on Phow. I honestly thought he'd be sticking around
horseshoe also believes I am invincible.
edit: Also think you put in Nar when you meant Casso, because Nar is wherever the fuck on a speederbike probably not near the dying Phow >>
We'll fix it in post-production... by like digitally putting back in the footage that I wanted to shoot but didn't have the money to at the time... or... like just the next round.
Goddamnit I hate it when I wake up too early... it's like 5:30 am, I should have slept for another hour.
Otherwise you're just holding on, and I won't make you roll for that.
Also, the ref defense of your enemy is one less 'cuz you sent him down the condition track with that last attack
Does he fall off, or just, y'no, not make it?
...and then he fails the acro as a reaction to grab onto it and "hang in there" (DC 15)...
Then he falls... and you can still make another acrobatics 15 as a reaction to take less damage from the impact.
Fucking hell, acrobatics is handy in this encounter.
I should roll Acrobatics, then. :O
All tumbling and whirling all over the place, saber in hand.
hiss
We might have to do an American Gladiators joust event for it
omg nub y dont u read sum Machyavelly endz justifyn tha meenz
Something tells me the Jedi wouldn't have been too hot on his form of government, though.
(this message brought to you by Horseshoe's lunch break)
There is no emotion, there is only peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no death, there is the Force.
So you're a Jedi. You're one of the hallowed guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy. And you can do awesome stuff with the Force. Awesome, right? Well, it's not all wine and roses. Or Jawa Juice and... whatever the hell groovy plants they have on Ithor.
Part of responsibility of being a Jedi is adherence to the Code, which gives you instructions for how to use the Force properly. Jedi are taught to act wisely, only resorting to the use of their saber -- and especially force powers -- in a violent manner when there is no other alternative. Though quite skilled at combat from years of training, a Jedi avoids making it his first alternative.
However... the temptation to break the Code can be great. Physical violence is at times a convenient method to put an end to injustices... and the use of the Force for violent purposes is even quick, even easier. These actions come not from a desire to protect, but to dominate. This is the path to the Dark Side.
In the Saga Edition Roleplaying Game, characters can committ "Dark Side Transgressions" and earn Dark Side Points. These points are not really used to "do" anything, though sometimes having a Dark Side Score of 1 or greater makes you susceptible to certain attacks or special abilities, or a certain Dark Side Score may be required to use certain abilities. In short: one's Dark Side score measures the extent to which they have been corrupted by the lure of the Dark Side.
For example... let's look at Casso's recent actions. He became scared that the Pike Twins or himself might get hurt by the enemy that had leaped aboard his ship, and so he attempted to grab and throw the enemy using his Move Object power.
So why is this a transgression?
First, from a roleplaying perspective, Casso's behavior. He became emotional... he used the Force in an act of desparation, a state arising from fear. His desire to save the Twins came not from a sense of duty... but one of attachment. The thought of them being hurt angered him... and we see how attachment leads to the fear of loss... how fear leads to anger... and how the path of the Dark Side opens itself to a young Padawan still trying to find his way.
The core rulebook discusses "major" (definitely gives a dark side point), "moderate" (might give a dark side point) and "minor" (probably not give a dark side point) transgressions against the Code. Here's a few examples:
Using a "Dark Side" power like Force Lightning - Major Transgression (all the bad guys do this at some point. Vader particularly seems to like choking people. 'specially insubordinates who inconvenience him.)
Using the Force in anger - Major Transgression (like when Vader chokes the shit out of his wife for instance... that's a bit much, eh?)
Using a force power to harm a living being - Moderate Transgression (Obi-Wan harms General Grievous with a Force Push... but this might not be a transgression due to the fact that an evil cyborg with four lightsabers was pretty intent on killing him)
Killing an opponent while in combat when there might have been a chance to spare him) - Minor Transgression (Could Obi-Wan have incapacitated Darth Maul instead of killing him? Probably. Would it have been a good idea to have an insane tattooed murderous Sith Lord still alive and probably still very willing and able to kill you? Probably not. This is "dubiously evil" and won't necessarily result in a Dark Side point)
Casso has most likely guilty of a moderate transgression... he used the force on a living being. And the Force is created by all living things... which is why respect for life is inherent in the teachings of the Jedi. He knows better... and he will atone.
Let's look at Nar by comparison. At first glance, Nar seems like a pretty cold glass of water. He is very efficient in combat, and seems to kill without emotion. Nar is actually doing quite well by the code, though to some non-Jedi he might seem a bit frightening. In our first encounter, he senses the cowardice of his attackers and uses the force to make him flee rather than fighting him. He protects the lives of those around them, and only killed when the enemy could not be dealt with by other means. He faces a difficult path... as a Sentinel, he must seek out and confront the Dark Side regularly without being corrupted by it. He is keeps his respect and compassion alive, and remains true to The Force.
But what about the bad guys? Those for whom there is no remorse, who rack up dark side point after dark side point? Or what about a good guy who is constantly on the slide?
When a character's Dark Side score is equal to their Wisdom attribute, they are considered to be completely corrupted... he has embraced and become consumed by the Dark Side. In some campaigns, a GM might actually "take away" this sort of character if it doesn't fit with the heroic setting. In others, the "greyness" of the events may mean that the Dark Side will inevitably be confronted and used, and a corrupt character could still fit in. This is a difficult and delicate kind of GM decision.
How does one go about losing a Dark Side point? Well, one simple way is to use a Force Point... and those are handy, and tough to part with! Thematically speaking, the use of a Force Point reflects that the character has focused, looked inward, and realized their mistake.
A character might also directly atone for a misdeed, or redeem themself with an act of dramatic heroism without using the nature of the Dark Side. When a character has become fully corrupted, dramatic heroiesm is the only thing that can redeem him.
Any force-user, Jedi or otherwise, will have to deal with facing the Dark Side from time to time, and each GM has to figure out how to decide whether or not their actions will have consequences in the game.
I should do a thing on Destiny and Destiny Points next.
The Force is handy and quite versatile and that's why it's so easy to slide to the dark side. The Dark Side is the Easy way.
That is if they hadn't all been blown out of the sky.
However, by extension you could say any use of the force is intended to harm. I mean, I don't think Nar surged his way over to the first bike to go joyriding.
You would be mistaken
Nar loves to steal bikes