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I bought it and the expansions and 2 today for £30 and am going to play it tomorrow. I will play a druid! Then I will become a shifter and turn into dragons! It will be great!
Tips and things please I am not good at D&D. Any particular things I should avoid? Good feats? Big mistakes? Any irritating puzzles to watch out for? Because fuck puzzles.
Oh and if anyone spoils this game for me I will tear their heart out through their ass.
I don't think I can play a shifter in vanilla, but I'll be a shifty druid type. Should I raise them to the minimum non penalty level? I believe that I have to have certain stats for certain feats I like the KOTOR system. Stupid 3e, I only just got used to 2e in planescape...
Ah, I know that shifter was added in the expansion, but I didn't know that it added it to the original campaign as well. I thought the level cap would kick in before prestige classes became available.
Make me a Fighter,
Give me a sword,
Point toward a dungeon...
I'll never be bored.
Fighters are for boring people. I'd either play mage or druid, because mages are rocking and druids are interesting to play. Have to stay true neutral? never done that in an RPG before.
Ah, I know that shifter was added in the expansion, but I didn't know that it added it to the original campaign as well. I thought the level cap would kick in before prestige classes became available.
I think it only requires level 8 or so. They removed it in NWN 2, which sucks, so I haven't checked recently.
So you may want to invest a few points into con and str, till you get the prestige class. Druids are solid in melee, what with all their buffs.
Yeah, I am thinking about restarting NWN2 tomorrow as well.
I patched up and the video is still laggy though, so I'm not too sure.
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edited September 2007
Avoid Shadows of Undrentide. You want the classes and feats and shit that come with it, but don't play it the campaign is awful. Play through the first full one from scratch as it is crazy fun and then skip to Underdark. Underdark is the shit and you can import your original character, or make a new one and start him at 15. You could also start a character at 15 and run him through the first NWN owning everything, and then play Underdark as a miniture god. I did this once and it was fairly fun but I got bored in Act 4 and that was the end of that.
edit: I have yet to play NWN2 because after I heard it ran horribly on the fastest PCs I was afraid to spend monies on it.
citizen059hello my name is citizenI'm from the InternetRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
Okay, here are some general tips:
1. It might not be a bad idea to see if you can get just a couple of people to join you in the main NwN campaign. It's not the most entertaining thing in the world, but with other people it can be fun.
2. Druids are fine, shifting is fun. Start Wisdom around 16/17/18 and distribute the rest as you see fit. Strength is nice just to be able to carry things around without having to rely on a strength boosting item as a crutch.
3. Put points in Persuade. It gets used a lot in the campaigns and many user created single player mods; not so much in multiplayer specific mods.
4. With feats, focus on feats that boost fighting ability, spellcasting ability, saves, and bonuses to AC. Ignore feats that boost specific skills or provide other strange and/or seemingly useless benefits. This will allow you to build a fairly generalized character with a semi-standard set of abilities. The NwN campaign is hard to screw up in; you have to be trying not to win in order to create a character that can't complete it.
5. Make the most of your spell slots, you don't have a lot of them early on. Try different things out and see what works and what doesn't.
6. Use your animal companion! When I go Druid, the Brown Bear is usually my choice. Your animal can be buffed up into a pretty mean fighting machine with some of the spells in the Druid arsenal.
7. Don't bother trying to hit on Aribeth. She's already spoken for, and she's a Paladin anyway, so cheating on her total pansy of a boyfriend is somewhat outside of her alignment.
8. Enjoy it and don't be afraid to ask more questions.
NWN is one of my favorite games. I suggest playing through all 3 official campaigns, and if you want, they have online campaign expansions you can purchase as well. I enjoyed every minute of them.
I suggest going through the manuals (or manual if they've reduced it to 1 in the box set) and pick out the feats you think you may want and figure out what reqs they have. When I was playing a fighter this was extremely important because some stupid feats, like power attack, are reqs for awesome feats, like cleave and great cleave. This will also let you know what skills (like intimidation or other skills you may not consider) are required for classes/feats later on.
There are no real bad puzzles or problems with NWN though the company you keep can change how easy/hard it is to go through different paths. I played all the campaigns (except the last) in multiplayer and it was a blast. The last game (I forget which one it was) had horrid multiplayer unfortunately but awesome story.
NWN2 is pretty good too, but I'm only a few hours into it. It's quite taxing on any system but they just came out with a new patch this past week or so that really helped clear things up. I had been playing with everyone on the lowest setting on my laptop and it was pretty choppy, but workable. Now I can run it with some of the settings about half (but all advanced options still off - no good video card) with very minimal chopping.
Anyway, sit down, grab a drink and some snacks and enjoy! Talk to everyone and read/play the great story that encompasses Neverwinter.
OH WORD OF WARNING: Play multiplayer campaign with friends who are patient. I played once with a friend who was not patient and we skipped so much storyline that I was completely lost on what I was supposed to be doing. So if you are playing for the story, either play alone or with friends you can trust to let you read up the conversations and not skip cutscenes, etc.
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edit: I have yet to play NWN2 because after I heard it ran horribly on the fastest PCs I was afraid to spend monies on it.
It does have some performance issues, but I found there was some option dealing with shadows that I could disable, and everything was fine after that. I think it had something to do with shadow quality.
I need to reinstall NwN2, but before I reloaded my PC I was running it at 1280x1024, nearly all options at highest level, without too much trouble on a Core 2 Duo E6400 & 256MB GeForce 7900GS.
It's the poor camera implementation that gets me more than anything with NwN2.
NWN shows why Vancian fire-and-forget magic just doesn't work in real-time RPGs.
"Oh, used all my spells for the 'day'. I'll just sit down and fap for eight seconds and I'm ready again!"
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citizen059hello my name is citizenI'm from the InternetRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
Oh, and another ProTip:
Register your games @ nwn.bioware.com and then browse the forums there. Great resource for learning anything you could ever want to know about NwN.
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citizen059hello my name is citizenI'm from the InternetRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
Back again because I keep remembering things.
If you have an nVidia card for your graphical pleasure, be aware that recent versions of the nVidia drivers have "broken" NwN (when the game launches, the main menu screen is totally black). There are workarounds but no official fix yet, that I'm aware of...outside of rolling back to old drivers.
Make me a Fighter,
Give me a sword,
Point toward a dungeon...
I'll never be bored.
Fighters are for boring people. I'd either play mage or druid, because mages are rocking and druids are interesting to play. Have to stay true neutral? never done that in an RPG before.
I was just kidding. I almost invariably make a Sorcerer in NWN.
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edit: I have yet to play NWN2 because after I heard it ran horribly on the fastest PCs I was afraid to spend monies on it.
It does have some performance issues, but I found there was some option dealing with shadows that I could disable, and everything was fine after that. I think it had something to do with shadow quality.
I need to reinstall NwN2, but before I reloaded my PC I was running it at 1280x1024, nearly all options at highest level, without too much trouble on a Core 2 Duo E6400 & 256MB GeForce 7900GS.
It's the poor camera implementation that gets me more than anything with NwN2.
Aye, the latest version of NWN2 doesn't even let you enable the highest shadow qualities without some serious tweaking. Using the low or medium shadow qualities and disabling draw distant shadows makes the game run pretty darn well.
I gave up on playing it last year, but now it works great. I'm so happy, as I really got in to Neverwinter Nights, along with a group of my friends. We even made some horrible modules for it.
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Avoid Shadows of Undrentide. You want the classes and feats and shit that come with it, but don't play it the campaign is awful. Play through the first full one from scratch as it is crazy fun and then skip to Underdark.
I'd say skip both the original OC and SoU since they are both completly crap. The only reason I'd play the OC is to get a grip with what happed during the plague but that could be summarized with three lines of text so I would just go with the Underdark expansion myself.
Mages are a lot of fun, because you can sorta break the "companion" deal with a familiar and a summon. You can do that with a Druid too, but the Mage was always more helpful; this was a game where I could just toss all the magic missiles and fireballs I had at an enemy and he would go down. I never really wished I had the support abilities of a Druid. However, Shifters are awesome, and solely justify playing a Druid for me - becoming an illithid is puuuure rape. However, I found the beginning levels to be a bit tricksy with a Druid - before my summons were awesome and my animal companion was at all useful, it was just me and the necessary Rogue, and the only really offensive thing I could do was Flame Whip, which is mediocre. With the Wizard, my nuking was fine, although my memory is blanking on me - I don't think familiar can use thief skills, and I definitely used the Barbarian companion through the story. Hmm...did I really run through all the traps and bash all the locks?
It was a simpler time for me.
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Avoid Shadows of Undrentide. You want the classes and feats and shit that come with it, but don't play it the campaign is awful. Play through the first full one from scratch as it is crazy fun and then skip to Underdark.
I'd say skip both the original OC and SoU since they are both completly crap. The only reason I'd play the OC is to get a grip with what happed during the plague but that could be summarized with three lines of text so I would just go with the Underdark expansion myself.
I'd recommend playing both the original campaign and the SoU expansion, just to play them & see how much things improved from the OC to HotU.
Then, after you're done with OC/SoU/HotU, go download the Darkness over Daggerford module. Seriously. That module is everything good about NwN rolled into one package.
I don't know if they're "broken", but they can get pretty powerful. With a couple of feats they can attack a ton of times per round, and their fists end up being the strongest weapons in the game as they level up. You can get their AC pretty damn high too.
I found playing one really irritating after a while. They get a feat that gives them a free attack per round against a nearby enemy, but it always made my guy start targeting that enemy instead of the first one I was hitting. So I'd get surrounded and just punch in a circle, never killing anything. It was cool against swarms of weak stuff, where I could just one hit kill 5 things in one attack because of the upgraded Cleave feat and Flurry of Blows (I think that's it, the one that gives you the free attack)
In the right hands, any class can be broken. The general RPG notions don't exist in 3rd edition, though, and I think that's where you get the "XXX class is broken!" screaming (RPG notions meaning mages are weak at level 1, most powerful at 20... whereas in 3rd edition, fighters are pretty much amazing from 1-20, and mages never are more powerful than them).
As for Druids, yes, yes, yes, awesome in NWN. You get your attack magic, support magic, healing magic, companion, and shifting. Absolutely awesome in the game, because the game never gets boring... your diverse skillset means you are always keeping things fresh.
Yeah, a fighter/weapon master, S18 D13 C12 I13 W8 C8, greatsword. With a +10 Enserric greatsword of acidic burst, haste, true seeing, and regeneration. At level 30, I was critting sometimes for about 250 damage. Then the monster had to make a Fort save, or die, because I hit them so hard (Overwhelming Critical, I believe).
Hint:
Also, make sure you have about five million gold for Cania. Knowing true names is very good.
Plot Spoiler:
"Mephistopheles, BY YOUR TRUE NAME, I command you to fight me!"
Oh, and Deekin RAWKS. He's the only good reason to play SoU.
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7. Don't bother trying to hit on Aribeth. She's already spoken for, and she's a Paladin anyway, so cheating on her total pansy of a boyfriend is somewhat outside of her alignment.
Getting "friendly" with Aribeth could have some benefits towards the end of the game. Specifically
you're able to talk your way out of the fight with her.
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I started playing this recently and have reached the beginning of chapter 2 as an elf thief at about 8th level. I'm getting a little sick of being a pure thief, though, and was thinking I'd like to more of a fighter/thief type deal. How bad is the experience penalty going to be? Will I be at a high enough level by the end? I don't want to rack myself and make the game a lot harder because I made some non-optimal character choices early on. Is there an editor I can use to remove the penalty for a while?
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In the right hands, any class can be broken. The general RPG notions don't exist in 3rd edition, though, and I think that's where you get the "XXX class is broken!" screaming (RPG notions meaning mages are weak at level 1, most powerful at 20... whereas in 3rd edition, fighters are pretty much amazing from 1-20, and mages never are more powerful than them).
I don't know if you mean 3rd ed. in general or in NwN, because a Wizard in NwN can tear some stuff up even at low levels...low level wizards can actually be a more effective melee than any regular melee class.
The NwN OC levels you to 3 in the "tutorial" stage, and a level 3 wizard with Ghostly Visage and Flame Weapon is a very good tank. You can breeze through the game this way until you get to your more powerful offensive spells.
A wizard with the sprite familiar felt somewhat broken. "Oh, I have a familiar that can open locks and disarm traps for me, so let's just grab a big burly warrior as sidekick instead of a rogue."
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Aah! This is complicated as fuck! Can I just pick a package or will that gimp me?
You can take the "recommended" button at every level up and still complete the game. I wouldn't fault anyone for doing this until they know the way the game plays well enough to do things on their own.
I must have played NWN for 3 years straight and I never got past the intro/first chapter of the official campaign, and never even started the expansions, I played purely online, which should be a testament to how much awesome fun that game was multiplayer. Mmmm. It's a pity NWN2 totally fucked over the parts of the game that made it good for online play. Also fuck it for not running on my computer.
Starting with 18 wis and using all epic feats/level up stat increases on wis should let you pick dragon shape at around 30 with a pure druid.
Someone said that you shouldn't bother with stats if you go shifter, which isn't true. Some forms can benefit from stats, but it varies a lot. Likewise with regards to what, if any, equipment carries over in any given form. Certain items never carry over, though - I'd check the Bioware forums if you go the shifter route rather than the pure druid/dragon route.
If you really want to get cheesy, take 1 level in monk. That's when things get a bit too easy, though.
EDIT:
Examples of the shifter thing, which really is a jungle:
The kobold shape has fixed dex, but not str/con. It merges armor, weapon and items (not bracers, which never merge).
The basilisk shape has fixed str/dex, but not con. It only merges armor.
And so on for each individual shape. The game isn't so difficult that you have to pay attention to all that, though.
I've decided to try to complete the OC for NWN 2, question is with what class. I was thinking of an Eldritch Knight dualed with Sorcerer for maximum fiery death. Would anyone mind giving me some help with such a build?
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Alot of the later dungeons have some lame puzzles, but nothing a trip to gamefaqs can't solve.
Also, I think shifter is a prestige class. I know you can play it in the basic game, I've done it before.
Whatever you do, be absolutely sure to play the game co-op with a friend. Single player is really, really dull. Co-op is fun.
Make me a Fighter,
Give me a sword,
Point toward a dungeon...
I'll never be bored.
Fighters are for boring people. I'd either play mage or druid, because mages are rocking and druids are interesting to play. Have to stay true neutral? never done that in an RPG before.
Don't put points in useless feats. Read up on what they do. Some might seem good but end up totally useless.
I think it only requires level 8 or so. They removed it in NWN 2, which sucks, so I haven't checked recently.
So you may want to invest a few points into con and str, till you get the prestige class. Druids are solid in melee, what with all their buffs.
I patched up and the video is still laggy though, so I'm not too sure.
edit: I have yet to play NWN2 because after I heard it ran horribly on the fastest PCs I was afraid to spend monies on it.
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1. It might not be a bad idea to see if you can get just a couple of people to join you in the main NwN campaign. It's not the most entertaining thing in the world, but with other people it can be fun.
2. Druids are fine, shifting is fun. Start Wisdom around 16/17/18 and distribute the rest as you see fit. Strength is nice just to be able to carry things around without having to rely on a strength boosting item as a crutch.
3. Put points in Persuade. It gets used a lot in the campaigns and many user created single player mods; not so much in multiplayer specific mods.
4. With feats, focus on feats that boost fighting ability, spellcasting ability, saves, and bonuses to AC. Ignore feats that boost specific skills or provide other strange and/or seemingly useless benefits. This will allow you to build a fairly generalized character with a semi-standard set of abilities. The NwN campaign is hard to screw up in; you have to be trying not to win in order to create a character that can't complete it.
5. Make the most of your spell slots, you don't have a lot of them early on. Try different things out and see what works and what doesn't.
6. Use your animal companion! When I go Druid, the Brown Bear is usually my choice. Your animal can be buffed up into a pretty mean fighting machine with some of the spells in the Druid arsenal.
7. Don't bother trying to hit on Aribeth. She's already spoken for, and she's a Paladin anyway, so cheating on her total pansy of a boyfriend is somewhat outside of her alignment.
8. Enjoy it and don't be afraid to ask more questions.
I suggest going through the manuals (or manual if they've reduced it to 1 in the box set) and pick out the feats you think you may want and figure out what reqs they have. When I was playing a fighter this was extremely important because some stupid feats, like power attack, are reqs for awesome feats, like cleave and great cleave. This will also let you know what skills (like intimidation or other skills you may not consider) are required for classes/feats later on.
There are no real bad puzzles or problems with NWN though the company you keep can change how easy/hard it is to go through different paths. I played all the campaigns (except the last) in multiplayer and it was a blast. The last game (I forget which one it was) had horrid multiplayer unfortunately but awesome story.
NWN2 is pretty good too, but I'm only a few hours into it. It's quite taxing on any system but they just came out with a new patch this past week or so that really helped clear things up. I had been playing with everyone on the lowest setting on my laptop and it was pretty choppy, but workable. Now I can run it with some of the settings about half (but all advanced options still off - no good video card) with very minimal chopping.
Anyway, sit down, grab a drink and some snacks and enjoy! Talk to everyone and read/play the great story that encompasses Neverwinter.
OH WORD OF WARNING: Play multiplayer campaign with friends who are patient. I played once with a friend who was not patient and we skipped so much storyline that I was completely lost on what I was supposed to be doing. So if you are playing for the story, either play alone or with friends you can trust to let you read up the conversations and not skip cutscenes, etc.
It does have some performance issues, but I found there was some option dealing with shadows that I could disable, and everything was fine after that. I think it had something to do with shadow quality.
I need to reinstall NwN2, but before I reloaded my PC I was running it at 1280x1024, nearly all options at highest level, without too much trouble on a Core 2 Duo E6400 & 256MB GeForce 7900GS.
It's the poor camera implementation that gets me more than anything with NwN2.
"Oh, used all my spells for the 'day'. I'll just sit down and fap for eight seconds and I'm ready again!"
Register your games @ nwn.bioware.com and then browse the forums there. Great resource for learning anything you could ever want to know about NwN.
If you have an nVidia card for your graphical pleasure, be aware that recent versions of the nVidia drivers have "broken" NwN (when the game launches, the main menu screen is totally black). There are workarounds but no official fix yet, that I'm aware of...outside of rolling back to old drivers.
I was just kidding. I almost invariably make a Sorcerer in NWN.
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Aye, the latest version of NWN2 doesn't even let you enable the highest shadow qualities without some serious tweaking. Using the low or medium shadow qualities and disabling draw distant shadows makes the game run pretty darn well.
I gave up on playing it last year, but now it works great. I'm so happy, as I really got in to Neverwinter Nights, along with a group of my friends. We even made some horrible modules for it.
PSN ID : Xander51 Steam ID : Xander51
It was a simpler time for me.
I'd recommend playing both the original campaign and the SoU expansion, just to play them & see how much things improved from the OC to HotU.
Then, after you're done with OC/SoU/HotU, go download the Darkness over Daggerford module. Seriously. That module is everything good about NwN rolled into one package.
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I found playing one really irritating after a while. They get a feat that gives them a free attack per round against a nearby enemy, but it always made my guy start targeting that enemy instead of the first one I was hitting. So I'd get surrounded and just punch in a circle, never killing anything. It was cool against swarms of weak stuff, where I could just one hit kill 5 things in one attack because of the upgraded Cleave feat and Flurry of Blows (I think that's it, the one that gives you the free attack)
Seriously though, they aren't any more or less powerful than an equivalent level fighter.
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In the right hands, any class can be broken. The general RPG notions don't exist in 3rd edition, though, and I think that's where you get the "XXX class is broken!" screaming (RPG notions meaning mages are weak at level 1, most powerful at 20... whereas in 3rd edition, fighters are pretty much amazing from 1-20, and mages never are more powerful than them).
As for Druids, yes, yes, yes, awesome in NWN. You get your attack magic, support magic, healing magic, companion, and shifting. Absolutely awesome in the game, because the game never gets boring... your diverse skillset means you are always keeping things fresh.
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Hint:
Plot Spoiler:
Oh, and Deekin RAWKS. He's the only good reason to play SoU.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
Getting "friendly" with Aribeth could have some benefits towards the end of the game. Specifically
I don't know if you mean 3rd ed. in general or in NwN, because a Wizard in NwN can tear some stuff up even at low levels...low level wizards can actually be a more effective melee than any regular melee class.
The NwN OC levels you to 3 in the "tutorial" stage, and a level 3 wizard with Ghostly Visage and Flame Weapon is a very good tank. You can breeze through the game this way until you get to your more powerful offensive spells.
As an aside, I wonder if we can get a Game On going for this again. Let me search for a good OP to rip...
You have to get something like 40 wis to turn into a dragon. I read a guide and it said "you may not think this is worth it"
anyone who thinks there is a point at which turning into a dragon stops being worth it is a stupid asshole
You can take the "recommended" button at every level up and still complete the game. I wouldn't fault anyone for doing this until they know the way the game plays well enough to do things on their own.
Starting with 18 wis and using all epic feats/level up stat increases on wis should let you pick dragon shape at around 30 with a pure druid.
Someone said that you shouldn't bother with stats if you go shifter, which isn't true. Some forms can benefit from stats, but it varies a lot. Likewise with regards to what, if any, equipment carries over in any given form. Certain items never carry over, though - I'd check the Bioware forums if you go the shifter route rather than the pure druid/dragon route.
If you really want to get cheesy, take 1 level in monk. That's when things get a bit too easy, though.
EDIT:
Examples of the shifter thing, which really is a jungle:
The kobold shape has fixed dex, but not str/con. It merges armor, weapon and items (not bracers, which never merge).
The basilisk shape has fixed str/dex, but not con. It only merges armor.
And so on for each individual shape. The game isn't so difficult that you have to pay attention to all that, though.
See the detail here:
http://nwn.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?forum=58&topic=397983