MGS4 will ship on a duel-layer Blu-ray because it has too much content for a single layer Blu-ray. And Kojima uses the game engine for cut scenes instead of CGI cut scenes like Blue Dragon (3 discs) has.
Which would cut down on how much storage was needed, so I dunno what that has to do with Blu Ray.
Project Gotham Racing 4 could not have night & day versions of the tracks because of the size limit of DVD9s.
They could have used the hard drive, but decided against it. It's still possible.
You at least admit that these problems are fixed with the requirement of a hard drive. I can't think that many 360 owners who want to play these games don't have a hard drive.
I imagine we'll start seeing games that will require the hard drive pretty soon. We've already seen official "hard drive required" box art.
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Crysis on the PC will probably be the best looking game on any platform, with better texturing, physics and environments than anything we have on the market.
I would bet my left nut it will fit on one DVD-9.
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Sony is one of the largest investors of blu ray technology and is one of the two intial founders of the technology they may not own it but their future success at the moment is almost completely dependent on it.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
Sony is one of the largest investors of blu ray technology and is one of the two intial founders of the technology they may not own it but their future success at the moment is almost completely dependent on it.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
Apparently so. I'm also going to assume that s/he only plays one game. All the time. Because swapping out games is annoying.
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edited October 2007
I always thought having a multi-CD game was cool.
Being all "Dude, it's got four discs. Yeah. Look how huge this packaging is."
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When I said 'future investment', I meant that you wouldn't have to worry about picking up a BR player in the future, hence you already have one.
What about the people who only wanted a PS3 and didn't want a BR player? Why should it be forced upon them?
Who is forceing people to play blu-ray movies on their PS3? Oh right no one is.
He didn't say forced to play movies, he said forced to buy the player. But hey guess what, you can't force a consumer to buy something they don't want, and they don't want Blu Ray.
Also, I'm a bit skeptical about the demand for storage going beyond a DVD9 by much. If the public is voting with their wallets and staying away from an expensive storage medium in droves, then the developers are wrong in their decision to make their games that require it. If DVD is the dominant storage medium, don't bite off more than you can chew. Make you game to suit, or make it the way Blu Ray intended and put up with the lower sales.
I'm also skeptical about Unreal 3 in particular. A game with a 700MB demo that will blow out beyond 9GB? I've never seen a full game expand the size of a demo by a factor of 13 times before.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
MGS4 will ship on a duel-layer Blu-ray because it has too much content for a single layer Blu-ray. And Kojima uses the game engine for cut scenes instead of CGI cut scenes like Blue Dragon (3 discs) has.
Which would cut down on how much storage was needed, so I dunno what that has to do with Blu Ray.
Let me rephrase that so you can understand. Despite using the game engine to render cut scenes the game is still so big it needs a duel layer blu-ray to hold it. So with the audio & graphic quality of MGS4 it would take 4-5 DVD9s.
Project Gotham Racing 4 could not have night & day versions of the tracks because of the size limit of DVD9s.
They could have used the hard drive, but decided against it. It's still possible.
You at least admit that these problems are fixed with the requirement of a hard drive. I can't think that many 360 owners who want to play these games don't have a hard drive.
No they could not have used the hard drive to load content to. MS does not allow it. The only way it would work is by allowing extra downloadable tracks.
I imagine we'll start seeing games that will require the hard drive pretty soon. We've already seen official "hard drive required" box art.
MS only allows this option for MMOs. And it took almost 2 years to get them to do that. MS just released the Arcade Pack with no hard drive, so they're going to stick with their normal game plan of not allowing game devs to use the hard drive.
When I said 'future investment', I meant that you wouldn't have to worry about picking up a BR player in the future, hence you already have one.
What about the people who only wanted a PS3 and didn't want a BR player? Why should it be forced upon them?
Who is forceing people to play blu-ray movies on their PS3? Oh right no one is. I did not get a Dreamcast because it did not have DVD. I picked the PS2 for DVDs so I could also play DVD movies on it. And for a whole year my family used it for games and movies.
No one is forcing them to buy BR movies, but because of how Sony developed the PS3, consumers are forced to buy a BR player, even if all they wanted was a PS3. And like I said before, BR is not nearly as popular as DVDs are and were at the time of the PS2, so the comparison between the two media formats is not apt.
People who don't like Blu-ray because you love swapping discs: realize that if you had sung the same tune with CDs, you'd be swapping like, 12 discs to install MGS2.
Oh, and I always wished Commandos 2 came on a single DVD instead of 3 discs. Seriously it was goddamned annoying every time I wanted to install it.
While games may not take up that much space now, I definitely would prefer to use one of the emerging formats to store my goddamn oversized photo collection, backup all my Steam games on one disc, backup an image of my rig on another, etc. Having a few, maybe 5 or 6 BD/HD-DVD discs instead of waiting for 20 DVDs to burn and labelling all of them is definitely an improvement for me.
Now I have never even seen blank BD/HD-DVD media for sale in this country before, and I gather that the format is still amazingly expensive, and I agree. But eventually DVD probably won't last for long anyway, so why propose taking out the Blu-Ray player from the PS3? I'd rather go with an all-in-one drive than having to purchase a goddamned addon that takes up space/replaces the original drive later on.
Let me rephrase that so you can understand. Despite using the game engine to render cut scenes the game is still so big it needs a duel layer blu-ray to hold it. So with the audio & graphic quality of MGS4 it would take 4-5 DVD9s.
You know I always wondered why MGS2 required a DVD DL disc. I mean there weren't any prerendered scenes either, the visual quality definitely isn't anything like what we have now, and the game isn't immensely long either. I came to the conclusion that it was probably the insane amount of audio they had, which kind of seems like a waste since most of the time I was wishing that the codec would shut up.
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Oh I agree that last generation we easily needed DVD's.
I just don't think that we really need Blu Ray as storage format for gaming.
As much as people are complaining about lack of space there are only a few titles that need the extra space and those can quite easily span two disns if you really need it.
Out of curiosity how much can a DVD-9 hold?
Edit: I would prefer to easily back up my drive with a Blu Ray disc too, that'd be kinda neat. I would prefer to not spend the ridiculous price on the Blu Ray burner.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Gamesâ€; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
MGS4 will ship on a duel-layer Blu-ray because it has too much content for a single layer Blu-ray. And Kojima uses the game engine for cut scenes instead of CGI cut scenes like Blue Dragon (3 discs) has.
Which would cut down on how much storage was needed, so I dunno what that has to do with Blu Ray.
Let me rephrase that so you can understand. Despite using the game engine to render cut scenes the game is still so big it needs a duel layer blu-ray to hold it. So with the audio & graphic quality of MGS4 it would take 4-5 DVD9s.
mmm...a year and a half ago, I would have said that mgs4 is the best looking thing on the horizon for consoles. not so much anymore...
somehow I doubt that the game will be so long that it would requre 4-5 DVD9s. That's just ridiculous; it seems like if that's the case, they're obviously ignoring the need to compress.
Then again, Ubisoft has gone on record saying it's tough to put asassin's creed onto one DVD9 with all of its language features, so you can safely say that I have no freakin clue as to what I'm talkin about.
I just see it as kind of unbelievable to think MGS4 or any current gen game would take up more than 2 DVD9s.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Gamesâ€; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
We're not saying we want there to be BR games and DVD games for PS3. We're saying that the PS3 shouldn't have been developed as a BR based system in the first place.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
MGS4 will ship on a duel-layer Blu-ray because it has too much content for a single layer Blu-ray. And Kojima uses the game engine for cut scenes instead of CGI cut scenes like Blue Dragon (3 discs) has.
Which would cut down on how much storage was needed, so I dunno what that has to do with Blu Ray.
Let me rephrase that so you can understand. Despite using the game engine to render cut scenes the game is still so big it needs a duel layer blu-ray to hold it. So with the audio & graphic quality of MGS4 it would take 4-5 DVD9s.
mmm...a year and a half ago, I would have said that mgs4 is the best looking thing on the horizon for consoles. not so much anymore...
somehow I doubt that the game will be so long that it would requre 4-5 DVD9s. That's just ridiculous; it seems like if that's the case, they're obviously ignoring the need to compress.
Then again, Ubisoft has gone on record saying it's tough to put asassin's creed onto one DVD9 with all of its language features, so you can safely say that I have no freakin clue as to what I'm talkin about.
I just see it as kind of unbelievable to think MGS4 or any current gen game would take up more than 2 DVD9s.
Ubisoft has come out and said that is now no longer an issue. And really it was more of them wanting to put all the languages on a single disc to save money.
As far as I know the big problem though with multiple spanning discs is that you need to include the game engine on the disc as well (unless it's just like a movie disc or something) if it's twice the size of a dvd it probably wont fit on two dvds.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
I'm not saying you can't, buy w/e you fucking want, what I was saying was in regards to someone that wants a BR free PS3. And what the outcome of that would be.
People who don't like Blu-ray because you love swapping discs: realize that if you had sung the same tune with CDs, you'd be swapping like, 12 discs to install MGS2.
Oh, and I always wished Commandos 2 came on a single DVD instead of 3 discs. Seriously it was goddamned annoying every time I wanted to install it.
While games may not take up that much space now, I definitely would prefer to use one of the emerging formats to store my goddamn oversized photo collection, backup all my Steam games on one disc, backup an image of my rig on another, etc. Having a few, maybe 5 or 6 BD/HD-DVD discs instead of waiting for 20 DVDs to burn and labelling all of them is definitely an improvement for me.
Now I have never even seen blank BD/HD-DVD media for sale in this country before, and I gather that the format is still amazingly expensive, and I agree. But eventually DVD probably won't last for long anyway, so why propose taking out the Blu-Ray player from the PS3? I'd rather go with an all-in-one drive than having to purchase a goddamned addon that takes up space/replaces the original drive later on.
this is a pretty good argument but it's constructed on the notion that one of the current high-def storage models will ultimately replace DVDs. Something will have to replace it, eventually, but there's no garauntee that it'll be Blu-ray or HD-dvd. I do not believe that we are yet at the point where we need high-def storage like we did when DVDs made CDs obsolete. You can cry and moan that I'm wrong but the fact of the matter is, high def storage is on the market and it isn't being adopted nearly as quickly as their creators would have hoped.
What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Games”; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
...I never said the PS3 should use two forms of storage...that'd be moronic. My "non blu-ray PS3" is fantasy at this point and completely impractical due to it essentially being too late.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
Oh wow. You ... You understand nothing about how the real world works do you? Lemme explain a simple economics concept to you. It's a luxury item. People don't buy it because they couldn't save the money up for it. They don't buy it because they just don't think it's worth that much. Period. To them, $600 is too much to pay for a PS3.
What is the chief reason the PS3 is struggling? PRICE
What is the main reason for this high price? BLU RAY
It is both logic and fact, yet some of you struggle to marry those two facts up:
So, why is the PS3 stuggling? BLU RAY.
How can this not be understood? How can this reasoning, in its most simple and straight forward form, not be apparent to some of you?
Baker, you need some serious reading comprehension dude, you can't argue your way out of a paper bag. You keep bringing up arguments that no one is making.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
I'm not saying you can't, buy w/e you fucking want, what I was saying was in regards to someone that wants a BR free PS3. And what the outcome of that would be.
And the outcome of that would likely be DVD based PS3, one that would be less expensive at launch. But Sony didn't go that way, so sucks to be them, I guess. Oh well.
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Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Gamesâ€; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
We're not saying we want there to be BR games and DVD games for PS3. We're saying that the PS3 shouldn't have been developed as a BR based system in the first place.
And I would of wanted an X360 with a built in HD-DVD at launch... we can't always get what we want. ;-)
You know I always wondered why MGS2 required a DVD DL disc. I mean there weren't any pre-rendered scenes either, the visual quality definitely isn't anything like what we have now, and the game isn't immensely long either. I came to the conclusion that it was probably the insane amount of audio they had, which kind of seems like a waste since most of the time I was wishing that the codec would shut up.
Kojima likes to put on a show. I can't blame him for it, but at times I agree that it's annoying.
Edit: I would prefer to easily back up my drive with a Blu Ray disc too, that'd be kinda neat. I would prefer to not spend the ridiculous price on the Blu Ray burner.
I agree it's going to be another year minimum before my PCs make the Blu-ray burner step as the Quad-speed is currently $500. The PS3's drive only reads Blu-ray at 2x, which equals roughly DVD 12x read.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
I'm not saying you can't, buy w/e you fucking want, what I was saying was in regards to someone that wants a BR free PS3. And what the outcome of that would be.
And the outcome of that would likely be DVD based PS3, one that would be less expensive at launch. But Sony didn't go that way, so sucks to be them, I guess. Oh well.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Games”; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
We're not saying we want there to be BR games and DVD games for PS3. We're saying that the PS3 shouldn't have been developed as a BR based system in the first place.
And I would of wanted an X360 with a built in HD-DVD at launch... we can't always get what we want. ;-)
true, but ultimately it's not about what you and I want. it's about what the market wants.
Would the 360 be as successful as it is now had it been packaged with a HD-drive and a higher price point? Well, we'll never know, but the ps3 is a good indication of a "probably not."
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Gamesâ€; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
We're not saying we want there to be BR games and DVD games for PS3. We're saying that the PS3 shouldn't have been developed as a BR based system in the first place.
And I would of wanted an X360 with a built in HD-DVD at launch... we can't always get what we want. ;-)
I'm not looking at it in terms of what I want, I'm just looking at in terms of what the marketplace wants. And apparantly, they don't want BR, and they don't want a super expensive PS3. Sony ignored that to their own detriment.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
I'm not saying you can't, buy w/e you fucking want, what I was saying was in regards to someone that wants a BR free PS3. And what the outcome of that would be.
And the outcome of that would likely be DVD based PS3, one that would be less expensive at launch. But Sony didn't go that way, so sucks to be them, I guess. Oh well.
And MGS on 12,000 discs
Or just make a version of MGS that isn't super huge.
Ubisoft has come out and said that is now no longer an issue. And really it was more of them wanting to put all the languages on a single disc to save money.
As far as I know the big problem though with multiple spanning discs is that you need to include the game engine on the disc as well (unless it's just like a movie disc or something) if it's twice the size of a dvd it probably wont fit on two dvds.
I haven't heard that about Ubisoft; link if possible, please.
As to your second part, yes when you span discs each disc needs the whole game engine. That's why they will take around 3-5 DVD9s depending on the audio, graphics, & cut scenes.
Or just make a version of MGS that isn't super huge.
Wow, people complain when games are too short (HS) and when they're too long. So what's the magic length?
It's supposed to be the last one with Snake. (Unless they make more prequels. ;-) ) And an end to the current story line. So why not go out with a big bang. If I have to pay $60 for it I'd like my moneys worth.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Gamesâ€; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
We're not saying we want there to be BR games and DVD games for PS3. We're saying that the PS3 shouldn't have been developed as a BR based system in the first place.
And I would of wanted an X360 with a built in HD-DVD at launch... we can't always get what we want. ;-)
I'm not looking at it in terms of what I want, I'm just looking at in terms of what the marketplace wants. And apparantly, they don't want BR, and they don't want a super expensive PS3. Sony ignored that to their own detriment.
Where you get your information. I can agree with you that they don't want an expensive PS3, but I don't think I've read any polls or sources saying "People are not buying the PS3 because it has BR". O_o
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Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
I'm not saying you can't, buy w/e you fucking want, what I was saying was in regards to someone that wants a BR free PS3. And what the outcome of that would be.
And the outcome of that would likely be DVD based PS3, one that would be less expensive at launch. But Sony didn't go that way, so sucks to be them, I guess. Oh well.
And MGS on 12,000 discs
Or just make a version of MGS that isn't super huge.
So the dev has to put extra money into it?
I have a PS3, and I am happy I have a Blue-ray Player.
Sure, I could have gone the way of multiple disks, but now I'll only ever have to open my disk tray to put a new game in. I'll never have to swap a disk and ruin the immersion on another game for the next ten years.
Have any of you 360 owners realised yet that there is a very high possibility that soon half of your hard-drive space will be just installations for games? Core 360 owners are porbably going to have to buy exterior hardrives or upgrade completely.
PS3 may never have as many games as 360 does, but when the big games start rolling in, Microsoft could well be in a load of trouble, and many of you could well be missing out on a fair few games as the Devs won't be shitted to press 5 DVD9's for one game.
Where you get your information. I can agree with you that they don't want an expensive PS3, but I don't think I've read any polls or sources saying "People are not buying the PS3 because it has BR". O_o
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Gamesâ€; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
We're not saying we want there to be BR games and DVD games for PS3. We're saying that the PS3 shouldn't have been developed as a BR based system in the first place.
And I would of wanted an X360 with a built in HD-DVD at launch... we can't always get what we want. ;-)
I'm not looking at it in terms of what I want, I'm just looking at in terms of what the marketplace wants. And apparantly, they don't want BR, and they don't want a super expensive PS3. Sony ignored that to their own detriment.
Where you get your information. I can agree with you that they don't want an expensive PS3, but I don't think I've read any polls or sources saying "People are not buying the PS3 because it has BR". O_o
The PS3 is expensive mainly because of the Blu Ray drive.
People aren't buying the PS3 because it's expensive.
People aren't buying the PS3 (indirectly) because of Blu Ray.
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
I'm not saying you can't, buy w/e you fucking want, what I was saying was in regards to someone that wants a BR free PS3. And what the outcome of that would be.
And the outcome of that would likely be DVD based PS3, one that would be less expensive at launch. But Sony didn't go that way, so sucks to be them, I guess. Oh well.
And MGS on 12,000 discs
Or just make a version of MGS that isn't super huge.
So the dev has to put extra money into it?
I have a PS3, and I am happy I have a Blue-ray Player.
Sure, I could have gone the way of multiple disks, but now I'll only ever have to open my disk tray to put a new game in. I'll never have to swap a disk and ruin the immersion on another game for the next ten years.
Have any of you 360 owners realised yet that there is a very high possibility that soon half of your hard-drive space will be just installations for games? Core 360 owners are porbably going to have to buy exterior hardrives or upgrade completely.
PS3 may never have as many games as 360 does, but when the big games start rolling in, Microsoft could well be in a load of trouble, and many of you could well be missing out on a fair few games as the Devs won't be shitted to press 5 DVD9's for one game.
God forbid BR gets a game that needs 2 disks.
Or, again, they'll just design games with the space limitations of DVD in mind. Good programmers can do that, you know.
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Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
I'm not saying you can't, buy w/e you fucking want, what I was saying was in regards to someone that wants a BR free PS3. And what the outcome of that would be.
And the outcome of that would likely be DVD based PS3, one that would be less expensive at launch. But Sony didn't go that way, so sucks to be them, I guess. Oh well.
And MGS on 12,000 discs
Or just make a version of MGS that isn't super huge.
So the dev has to put extra money into it?
I have a PS3, and I am happy I have a Blue-ray Player.
Sure, I could have gone the way of multiple disks, but now I'll only ever have to open my disk tray to put a new game in. I'll never have to swap a disk and ruin the immersion on another game for the next ten years.
Have any of you 360 owners realised yet that there is a very high possibility that soon half of your hard-drive space will be just installations for games? Core 360 owners are porbably going to have to buy exterior hardrives or upgrade completely.
PS3 may never have as many games as 360 does, but when the big games start rolling in, Microsoft could well be in a load of trouble, and many of you could well be missing out on a fair few games as the Devs won't be shitted to press 5 DVD9's for one game.
God forbid BR gets a game that needs 2 disks.
No, I do not fear instalation on my hard drive (cue scary music here!) because it's micrsoft policy to prevent that.
Secondly the reason because of the ridiculous size of MGS (which has been mentioned earlier) is the ridiculous amount of audio which is going into it. Kojima is basically having a wank fest and two thirds of the BRD is going to be filled up with his jizz.
Death of Rats: I've been arguing that for nigh on 24 pages now, and still some struggle with the concept. It's the most simple combination of fact, logic, and market forces, that any high school kid could grasp.
I give up. Maybe I'll revisit this thread 3 years from now, when some PA'ers are still yelling "But... but BLU RAY!!!" and wondering why the PS3 finished third. I have better things to do than explain that water is wet.
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No it isn't.
Which would cut down on how much storage was needed, so I dunno what that has to do with Blu Ray.
They could have used the hard drive, but decided against it. It's still possible.
You at least admit that these problems are fixed with the requirement of a hard drive. I can't think that many 360 owners who want to play these games don't have a hard drive.
I imagine we'll start seeing games that will require the hard drive pretty soon. We've already seen official "hard drive required" box art.
I would bet my left nut it will fit on one DVD-9.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Also fuck man, are you that goddam lazy that you can't swap a disc every couple of hours?
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Apparently so. I'm also going to assume that s/he only plays one game. All the time. Because swapping out games is annoying.
Being all "Dude, it's got four discs. Yeah. Look how huge this packaging is."
He didn't say forced to play movies, he said forced to buy the player. But hey guess what, you can't force a consumer to buy something they don't want, and they don't want Blu Ray.
Also, I'm a bit skeptical about the demand for storage going beyond a DVD9 by much. If the public is voting with their wallets and staying away from an expensive storage medium in droves, then the developers are wrong in their decision to make their games that require it. If DVD is the dominant storage medium, don't bite off more than you can chew. Make you game to suit, or make it the way Blu Ray intended and put up with the lower sales.
I'm also skeptical about Unreal 3 in particular. A game with a 700MB demo that will blow out beyond 9GB? I've never seen a full game expand the size of a demo by a factor of 13 times before.
HEY. THIS IS 2007. According to some scifi movies, we're going to have interstellar space travel in about 15 YEARS. GET WITH THE TIMES. ;-)
if there was a ps3 with pretty much any sized HD and no blu-ray for $300, I'd consider it. I'd actually probably buy it around the time MGS4 came out if I had the money.
it's kind of crazy that sony is putting out a $400 model. I mean...a price cut of $200 within a year??? It's not the same sku, I know, but still!! Despite that, I still wont even start considering the ps3 until there's a $300 model, preferably with BC. The removal of BR would have helped that become a reality much sooner and I wouldn't have ever missed it.
No they could not have used the hard drive to load content to. MS does not allow it. The only way it would work is by allowing extra downloadable tracks.
MS only allows this option for MMOs. And it took almost 2 years to get them to do that. MS just released the Arcade Pack with no hard drive, so they're going to stick with their normal game plan of not allowing game devs to use the hard drive.
No one is forcing them to buy BR movies, but because of how Sony developed the PS3, consumers are forced to buy a BR player, even if all they wanted was a PS3. And like I said before, BR is not nearly as popular as DVDs are and were at the time of the PS2, so the comparison between the two media formats is not apt.
Oh, and I always wished Commandos 2 came on a single DVD instead of 3 discs. Seriously it was goddamned annoying every time I wanted to install it.
While games may not take up that much space now, I definitely would prefer to use one of the emerging formats to store my goddamn oversized photo collection, backup all my Steam games on one disc, backup an image of my rig on another, etc. Having a few, maybe 5 or 6 BD/HD-DVD discs instead of waiting for 20 DVDs to burn and labelling all of them is definitely an improvement for me.
Now I have never even seen blank BD/HD-DVD media for sale in this country before, and I gather that the format is still amazingly expensive, and I agree. But eventually DVD probably won't last for long anyway, so why propose taking out the Blu-Ray player from the PS3? I'd rather go with an all-in-one drive than having to purchase a goddamned addon that takes up space/replaces the original drive later on.
You know I always wondered why MGS2 required a DVD DL disc. I mean there weren't any prerendered scenes either, the visual quality definitely isn't anything like what we have now, and the game isn't immensely long either. I came to the conclusion that it was probably the insane amount of audio they had, which kind of seems like a waste since most of the time I was wishing that the codec would shut up.
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I just don't think that we really need Blu Ray as storage format for gaming.
As much as people are complaining about lack of space there are only a few titles that need the extra space and those can quite easily span two disns if you really need it.
Out of curiosity how much can a DVD-9 hold?
Edit: I would prefer to easily back up my drive with a Blu Ray disc too, that'd be kinda neat. I would prefer to not spend the ridiculous price on the Blu Ray burner.
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What do some of you not understand? Some of you act like stores have unlimited floor/shelf space. I'd rather not walk down an isle that is labeled "PS3 BR Games" and on the other side "PS3 DVD Gamesâ€; especially if on both sides it’s the same damn games. I don't think stores would be in favor of this. That means other products gonna have to get the boot, or have to find another crack in the wall to hide in.
As another posted earlier, and I fully agree with, I think all of the current consoles should of just came out with 1 damn version. If you can't afford it, then to bad, go get a job, get a 2nd job, or work some OT, open a credit card, or ask your mommy for some cash, stop being a mf lazy ass. I work for a living, I pay bills and rent, I can BUDGET, if there’s something I want, and it’s expensive... BUDGET.
OMG that’s right I just remembered, you can't please everyone. If Sony try’s to make group A happy, then group B gets all bitchy, they try to make B happy, A get pissy, then group C is pissy just to be pissy.
mmm...a year and a half ago, I would have said that mgs4 is the best looking thing on the horizon for consoles. not so much anymore...
somehow I doubt that the game will be so long that it would requre 4-5 DVD9s. That's just ridiculous; it seems like if that's the case, they're obviously ignoring the need to compress.
Then again, Ubisoft has gone on record saying it's tough to put asassin's creed onto one DVD9 with all of its language features, so you can safely say that I have no freakin clue as to what I'm talkin about.
I just see it as kind of unbelievable to think MGS4 or any current gen game would take up more than 2 DVD9s.
We're not saying we want there to be BR games and DVD games for PS3. We're saying that the PS3 shouldn't have been developed as a BR based system in the first place.
Or, you know, we could just buy one of the other companies' systems, both of which are less expensive than Sony's offering. The free market is a bitch, ain't it?
Ubisoft has come out and said that is now no longer an issue. And really it was more of them wanting to put all the languages on a single disc to save money.
As far as I know the big problem though with multiple spanning discs is that you need to include the game engine on the disc as well (unless it's just like a movie disc or something) if it's twice the size of a dvd it probably wont fit on two dvds.
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I'm not saying you can't, buy w/e you fucking want, what I was saying was in regards to someone that wants a BR free PS3. And what the outcome of that would be.
this is a pretty good argument but it's constructed on the notion that one of the current high-def storage models will ultimately replace DVDs. Something will have to replace it, eventually, but there's no garauntee that it'll be Blu-ray or HD-dvd. I do not believe that we are yet at the point where we need high-def storage like we did when DVDs made CDs obsolete. You can cry and moan that I'm wrong but the fact of the matter is, high def storage is on the market and it isn't being adopted nearly as quickly as their creators would have hoped.
...I never said the PS3 should use two forms of storage...that'd be moronic. My "non blu-ray PS3" is fantasy at this point and completely impractical due to it essentially being too late.
Oh wow. You ... You understand nothing about how the real world works do you? Lemme explain a simple economics concept to you. It's a luxury item. People don't buy it because they couldn't save the money up for it. They don't buy it because they just don't think it's worth that much. Period. To them, $600 is too much to pay for a PS3.
PS - You a moron.
What is the chief reason the PS3 is struggling? PRICE
What is the main reason for this high price? BLU RAY
It is both logic and fact, yet some of you struggle to marry those two facts up:
So, why is the PS3 stuggling? BLU RAY.
How can this not be understood? How can this reasoning, in its most simple and straight forward form, not be apparent to some of you?
Baker, you need some serious reading comprehension dude, you can't argue your way out of a paper bag. You keep bringing up arguments that no one is making.
And the outcome of that would likely be DVD based PS3, one that would be less expensive at launch. But Sony didn't go that way, so sucks to be them, I guess. Oh well.
Also lack of games (but this is a matter of opinion of what games you like).
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And I would of wanted an X360 with a built in HD-DVD at launch... we can't always get what we want. ;-)
They hold a standard usable space of 8.5 gigs.
I agree it's going to be another year minimum before my PCs make the Blu-ray burner step as the Quad-speed is currently $500. The PS3's drive only reads Blu-ray at 2x, which equals roughly DVD 12x read.
And MGS on 12,000 discs
true, but ultimately it's not about what you and I want. it's about what the market wants.
Would the 360 be as successful as it is now had it been packaged with a HD-drive and a higher price point? Well, we'll never know, but the ps3 is a good indication of a "probably not."
I'm not looking at it in terms of what I want, I'm just looking at in terms of what the marketplace wants. And apparantly, they don't want BR, and they don't want a super expensive PS3. Sony ignored that to their own detriment.
Or just make a version of MGS that isn't super huge.
pffft, man, that is so current gen. puh-leaze
I haven't heard that about Ubisoft; link if possible, please.
As to your second part, yes when you span discs each disc needs the whole game engine. That's why they will take around 3-5 DVD9s depending on the audio, graphics, & cut scenes.
Wow, people complain when games are too short (HS) and when they're too long. So what's the magic length?
It's supposed to be the last one with Snake. (Unless they make more prequels. ;-) ) And an end to the current story line. So why not go out with a big bang. If I have to pay $60 for it I'd like my moneys worth.
Where you get your information. I can agree with you that they don't want an expensive PS3, but I don't think I've read any polls or sources saying "People are not buying the PS3 because it has BR". O_o
So the dev has to put extra money into it?
I have a PS3, and I am happy I have a Blue-ray Player.
Sure, I could have gone the way of multiple disks, but now I'll only ever have to open my disk tray to put a new game in. I'll never have to swap a disk and ruin the immersion on another game for the next ten years.
Have any of you 360 owners realised yet that there is a very high possibility that soon half of your hard-drive space will be just installations for games? Core 360 owners are porbably going to have to buy exterior hardrives or upgrade completely.
PS3 may never have as many games as 360 does, but when the big games start rolling in, Microsoft could well be in a load of trouble, and many of you could well be missing out on a fair few games as the Devs won't be shitted to press 5 DVD9's for one game.
God forbid BR gets a game that needs 2 disks.
Not directly, but it is the cause of slow uptake.
Programming for non-BR media formats is "for bitches", I hear.
http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2007/10/assassins_creed_dvd_issues_fix.html
It may of been just a shut up dammit but they didn't comment on the PS3 problems so who knows.
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I don't know, ask Baker. He's the one worried about media epeen, not me.
The PS3 is expensive mainly because of the Blu Ray drive.
People aren't buying the PS3 because it's expensive.
People aren't buying the PS3 (indirectly) because of Blu Ray.
M O O N, that spells moon.
Or, again, they'll just design games with the space limitations of DVD in mind. Good programmers can do that, you know.
No, I do not fear instalation on my hard drive (cue scary music here!) because it's micrsoft policy to prevent that.
Secondly the reason because of the ridiculous size of MGS (which has been mentioned earlier) is the ridiculous amount of audio which is going into it. Kojima is basically having a wank fest and two thirds of the BRD is going to be filled up with his jizz.
Satans..... hints.....
I give up. Maybe I'll revisit this thread 3 years from now, when some PA'ers are still yelling "But... but BLU RAY!!!" and wondering why the PS3 finished third. I have better things to do than explain that water is wet.