Finally got SAM to 56. Need to work on my AF sometime, and then farm for some new equipment.
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edited August 2008
I haven't played monk yet, and I'm a novice at everything else, so haven't really partied with them... so I can't give you any real oppinion on them at all. I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.
Got my WAR to 13... think I'm gonna go try to get into a party again tonight. Played BLM up to level 5... not sure if I'm doing it right... do you pretty much just exhaust your MP on every pull, then rest and do it again? I've been trying to switch from blind/poison/stone/water, trying to level up enfeebling and elemental evenly (it's not working, elemental is at 11 and enfeebling is at 4...) Just wanna make sure I'm not missing some key point here.
Also... would anyone recommend duo'ing as a WHM? From what I understand -nobody- parties below 10, but I really don't want to fight very easy's all the way to 10.
I'm itching to try out RDM, but I don't wanna stretch myself too thin... I really wanna get my WAR to 18 and open my sub job up... and level thief. That's the plan anyway.
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Well, depending on your race the lower levels are easier or harder for blm and whm because of your mana pool.
At the same time though in relative terms, you really shouldn't be relying soley on your spells < 10. Enemies are weak enough, and you're "strong" enough to be able to melee fair enough to 10 with little problem.
Im elvaan, and have been working on whm and blm this week to get ready for the static we're starting and I usually run each battle like this (depending on my level, and how hard the enemy cons)
as BLM:
Blind (or bind after level 7)
Poison
Dia (if you have your sub as whm)
Melee
If it's a humanoid monster, like a goblin or orc I'll toss a water or stone (depending) to speed up the battle. This way I can usually go 4-5 DC/EP con mobs before having to rest again. So ~300-400 xp per rest. It works pretty well.
As a whm I'd:
Paralyze
Blind
Dia
Poison
melee
WHM can get a stronger hammer lower level than BLM can so meleeing is a bit easier. Add in the shield WHM can use and thier a bit higher (I think) str than blm and the meleeing is more successful.
And even if you don't have your subjob yet you can just make sure you're keeping the debuffs up as they expire, if the battles last long enough.
I tend to not use nukes unless the enemy is harder than I expected, to burn down HP to where I can melee the rest of the way, or otherwise if I know I'll more or less one shot an EP (water on a worm), I'll take the "free" xp.
This is for an elvaan.
As a taru (my last character was a taru whm/blm) your mana pool at those levels is a fair chunk larger, toss in an apple pie now and then and you can replace a lot of that meleeing with an extra spell cast and it won't slow you down much more. But taru can still do the melee at that low level for the whm/blm because you do so little damage that you'll end up doing like 6 damage instead of 9.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is don't rely totally, solo 1-10, on your spells even as a caster. You might not melee nearly as fast as say a monk, but you'll do enough to have your DOT's handle the rest.
Having said that though, it's just purely my opinion but I think the caster classes are way easier to level once you have your sub. Even if it means 18 levels of mnk or war just to plow through to your subs, having access to both blm and whm spells, even the low level enfeebling ones, makes things much smoother.
Another option is to do RDM to 18. You'll still be able to melee quite a bit, you'll get your lower level "starter" spells, some skill points in spells and get used to casting timing in battles, etc. And RDM makes a perfectly fine sub for whm and/or blm for 1-10.
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edited August 2008
I've got about 30 seals in storage at this point. I don't know much about Burning Circle Notorious Monsters... (in case anyone was wondering what BCNM stood for) but I did the 'Save the Children' mission and ended up in a very small arena with a chief orc and two archer orcs... from what I understand it's like that. I was 11 and completely owned all three as a warrior, so take from that what you will.
Thanks for the advice on the WHM/BLM too.
Oh, and I'm Elvaan too.
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So I picked up monk for a bit. I'm level 20 and I love it, and maybe I'll take it to 75 after I get black mage there
I've heard that later on they're really good, but I've also heard that later on they're terrible (depending on the source, they're either "hands-down the best DPS in the game" or "inferior novelty job with no use in the endgame")
Basically, my question is "are monks pretty good"
(I find the idea of a tarutaru punching things that are much bigger than him endlessly entertaining, so I'll probably stick with it regardless)
Man, who is telling you that monk is a novelty job; are they from 2003? They must be
Monks are really versatile because you get a tank and efficient damage dealer in one package at 75. All the haste gear they have access to and their subtle blow trait makes 'em a great job to have at XP or most end game activities
Before 75 they're not so great at tanking, but they still dish out a lot of damage
He did, but I am willing to bet if he doesn't have the skill up he hasn't been upgrading equipment either.
Actually everything else is fully geared.
Got a lvl 12 greataxe to replace my current lvl 8 2 hander.
Also have Royal Footman's armor.
So yeah everything, but the shield and 1h.
I've been upgrading my equipment and my skill, just not the one hander.
speaking of; I've never done a BCNM. Are any of the lvl 20 cap ones worthwhile? They're pretty difficult I would imagine.
It depends on jobs mainly. More then most of the others, the 20 BCNMs seem to be very specialized.
The one in Palaborough (sp) is 3 crabs and is pretty easy with NIN, RDM/NIN, RDM/NIN. The crabs all have very low hp but they take very little damage and can drain back hp. Along with that, the big one casts Waterga which can hurt at 20. The RDM/NIN setup allows you to enthunder for extra damage and wield 2 fast daggers. I use Platoon and Beestinger. This BC drops a mannequin body 100% of the time.
Ghelsba Outpost has one with 3 bats. The easiest strat involves BSTs charming the smaller bats and attacking the bigger one. DRGs seem to excel in this one as well. This can drop an Astral Ring.
The one in Giddeus is 3 leeches. Not sure on the strat though looking through wiki a heavily medded melee-burn type strat may work. This one drops Mannequin Hands 100%.
Horlais Peak has 3 pugils. The most common strat is to have a couple SMNs use Ramuh and Astral Flow. This one drops Mannequin Head 100%.
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
edited August 2008
The one with the bats was pretty hard for the party I went with. Failed it twice.
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
So the way I am reading this is that they hadn't beat it after 18 hours because they were just doing it wrong, and that the dev's will be changing to fight a bit to make sure that can't screw up that bad again.
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
So the way I am reading this is that they hadn't beat it after 18 hours because they were just doing it wrong, and that the dev's will be changing to fight a bit to make sure that can't screw up that bad again.
I figured that was the case in the first place. No matter how masochistic one might think SE is, there's no way that was intended.
In other news I got off work way early, so we can start earlier if ya'll would like.
So the way I am reading this is that they hadn't beat it after 18 hours because they were just doing it wrong, and that the dev's will be changing to fight a bit to make sure that can't screw up that bad again.
I figured that was the case in the first place. No matter how masochistic one might think SE is, there's no way that was intended.
In other news I got off work way early, so we can start earlier if ya'll would like.
I have a feeling that the 'adjustment' will amount to the type of deal where if it's claimed for over a certain amount of time, it'll start spamming stuff to end the fight quickly.
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
edited August 2008
Perhaps I am defective, but I can't seem to dredge up the remotest iota of sympathy.
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
So the way I am reading this is that they hadn't beat it after 18 hours because they were just doing it wrong, and that the dev's will be changing to fight a bit to make sure that can't screw up that bad again.
I figured that was the case in the first place. No matter how masochistic one might think SE is, there's no way that was intended.
Sage Sundi, Square-Enix Dolt/Whipping Boy, has mentioned in interviews that Absolute Virtue takes around eighteen hours to fight in its current form, not counting time spent fighting the Jailer of Love. Ten hours if the players get incredibly lucky with Absolute Virtue's skill usage.
The developers are fucking bonkers. It was intended.
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edited August 2008
Great jam session this week every one: Next Friday everyone be at Zeruhn Mines at 9PM EST; 6PM PST, and be ready to go. Level range is 14, 13, 12; although it looks like we are all 14. Bring rings if you use them, and those who fall behind by not having them or by dieing during the session will have the rest of the week to make sure they are within range for the next week.
Plan to stay for 2 hours.
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Hit 41RDM today, learned Refresh and my next day off is going to be spent getting my af sword. My brother, a 60BLU, is gonna help me with it so it shouldn't take long.
So I'm at that level in my monk career now (level 25)
Supposedly I can pretty much wear the Republic Subligar from here until endgame if I take it that far
PROS:
+ Attack + 5 is an excellent enhancement
+ I'll never have to spend gil on leg equipment again
CONS:
- IT'S A SUBLIGAR and it's not even the kind of subligar where I get to wear pants underneath (see bone/beetle subligar)
- I'm a tarutaru so I look even worse wearing it
- it's like 20k on the auction house
I wonder if I can get away with using my RSE pants at level 31 (probably not, I would imagine +5 attack trumps +1 strength and 21 extra HP)
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Got my WAR to 13... think I'm gonna go try to get into a party again tonight. Played BLM up to level 5... not sure if I'm doing it right... do you pretty much just exhaust your MP on every pull, then rest and do it again? I've been trying to switch from blind/poison/stone/water, trying to level up enfeebling and elemental evenly (it's not working, elemental is at 11 and enfeebling is at 4...) Just wanna make sure I'm not missing some key point here.
Also... would anyone recommend duo'ing as a WHM? From what I understand -nobody- parties below 10, but I really don't want to fight very easy's all the way to 10.
I'm itching to try out RDM, but I don't wanna stretch myself too thin... I really wanna get my WAR to 18 and open my sub job up... and level thief. That's the plan anyway.
PSN: Dyvion -- Eternal: Dyvion+9393 -- Genshin Impact: Dyvion
At the same time though in relative terms, you really shouldn't be relying soley on your spells < 10. Enemies are weak enough, and you're "strong" enough to be able to melee fair enough to 10 with little problem.
Im elvaan, and have been working on whm and blm this week to get ready for the static we're starting and I usually run each battle like this (depending on my level, and how hard the enemy cons)
as BLM:
Blind (or bind after level 7)
Poison
Dia (if you have your sub as whm)
Melee
If it's a humanoid monster, like a goblin or orc I'll toss a water or stone (depending) to speed up the battle. This way I can usually go 4-5 DC/EP con mobs before having to rest again. So ~300-400 xp per rest. It works pretty well.
As a whm I'd:
Paralyze
Blind
Dia
Poison
melee
WHM can get a stronger hammer lower level than BLM can so meleeing is a bit easier. Add in the shield WHM can use and thier a bit higher (I think) str than blm and the meleeing is more successful.
And even if you don't have your subjob yet you can just make sure you're keeping the debuffs up as they expire, if the battles last long enough.
I tend to not use nukes unless the enemy is harder than I expected, to burn down HP to where I can melee the rest of the way, or otherwise if I know I'll more or less one shot an EP (water on a worm), I'll take the "free" xp.
This is for an elvaan.
As a taru (my last character was a taru whm/blm) your mana pool at those levels is a fair chunk larger, toss in an apple pie now and then and you can replace a lot of that meleeing with an extra spell cast and it won't slow you down much more. But taru can still do the melee at that low level for the whm/blm because you do so little damage that you'll end up doing like 6 damage instead of 9.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is don't rely totally, solo 1-10, on your spells even as a caster. You might not melee nearly as fast as say a monk, but you'll do enough to have your DOT's handle the rest.
Having said that though, it's just purely my opinion but I think the caster classes are way easier to level once you have your sub. Even if it means 18 levels of mnk or war just to plow through to your subs, having access to both blm and whm spells, even the low level enfeebling ones, makes things much smoother.
Another option is to do RDM to 18. You'll still be able to melee quite a bit, you'll get your lower level "starter" spells, some skill points in spells and get used to casting timing in battles, etc. And RDM makes a perfectly fine sub for whm and/or blm for 1-10.
Just a few thoughts. Take it for what you will.
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Thanks for the advice on the WHM/BLM too.
Oh, and I'm Elvaan too.
PSN: Dyvion -- Eternal: Dyvion+9393 -- Genshin Impact: Dyvion
Man, who is telling you that monk is a novelty job; are they from 2003? They must be
Monks are really versatile because you get a tank and efficient damage dealer in one package at 75. All the haste gear they have access to and their subtle blow trait makes 'em a great job to have at XP or most end game activities
Before 75 they're not so great at tanking, but they still dish out a lot of damage
What should I do?
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EDIT: Also, damn worms all dropping copper and not zinc. Don't they know I need Norg rep?
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Hopefully I can get in a good party tonight and hit 15. That would be sweet. Am I dreaming? Only plan (emphasis on plan) to play for 3 hours.
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Equipment is not a problem.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
oh I misread that; I thought he said his skill in 1h is crap.
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Actually everything else is fully geared.
Got a lvl 12 greataxe to replace my current lvl 8 2 hander.
Also have Royal Footman's armor.
So yeah everything, but the shield and 1h.
I've been upgrading my equipment and my skill, just not the one hander.
Final Fantasy XI -> Carbuncle - Samash
It depends on jobs mainly. More then most of the others, the 20 BCNMs seem to be very specialized.
The one in Palaborough (sp) is 3 crabs and is pretty easy with NIN, RDM/NIN, RDM/NIN. The crabs all have very low hp but they take very little damage and can drain back hp. Along with that, the big one casts Waterga which can hurt at 20. The RDM/NIN setup allows you to enthunder for extra damage and wield 2 fast daggers. I use Platoon and Beestinger. This BC drops a mannequin body 100% of the time.
Ghelsba Outpost has one with 3 bats. The easiest strat involves BSTs charming the smaller bats and attacking the bigger one. DRGs seem to excel in this one as well. This can drop an Astral Ring.
The one in Giddeus is 3 leeches. Not sure on the strat though looking through wiki a heavily medded melee-burn type strat may work. This one drops Mannequin Hands 100%.
Horlais Peak has 3 pugils. The most common strat is to have a couple SMNs use Ramuh and Astral Flow. This one drops Mannequin Head 100%.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Final Fantasy XI -> Carbuncle - Samash
Gonna get blm to 17 though anyway just so I can have warp.
I'll post here if I get off early from work, on my way in in a few.
My mule is camping at the bastok AH with his bazaar up; if you see my account on today, that's why.
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Level 73 black mage all subbing level 1 ranger so I can use widescan to get the jump on the claim for Lumbering Lambert
If he'd ever show up, that is
Instead it's the regular rams whose skins and horns I no longer have inventory space for
If there is one thing I hate about this game it is camping NMs
EDIT: Lumbering Horn GET! Now for the other one
EDIT 2: damn, that barely took any time at all. Rampaging Horn GET
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So the way I am reading this is that they hadn't beat it after 18 hours because they were just doing it wrong, and that the dev's will be changing to fight a bit to make sure that can't screw up that bad again.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
I figured that was the case in the first place. No matter how masochistic one might think SE is, there's no way that was intended.
In other news I got off work way early, so we can start earlier if ya'll would like.
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Blizzard: Galedrid#1367 - FFXIV: Galedrid Kingshand
I have a feeling that the 'adjustment' will amount to the type of deal where if it's claimed for over a certain amount of time, it'll start spamming stuff to end the fight quickly.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Ditto. Of course I'm a fairly un-empathetic person to begin with.
If you're going to sit there and camp a NM for 14+ hours for a single belt, that's your choice; don't mope about it and expect any sympathy.
>.>
Or fight a boss for 18 hours. :P
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
The developers are fucking bonkers. It was intended.
Plan to stay for 2 hours.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Final Fantasy XI -> Carbuncle - Samash
I have some screenshots if you need anything to fluff up the OP with
Pretty much it'll be similar to your OP which is well done already.
Final Fantasy XI -> Carbuncle - Samash
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Supposedly I can pretty much wear the Republic Subligar from here until endgame if I take it that far
PROS:
+ Attack + 5 is an excellent enhancement
+ I'll never have to spend gil on leg equipment again
CONS:
- IT'S A SUBLIGAR and it's not even the kind of subligar where I get to wear pants underneath (see bone/beetle subligar)
- I'm a tarutaru so I look even worse wearing it
- it's like 20k on the auction house
I wonder if I can get away with using my RSE pants at level 31 (probably not, I would imagine +5 attack trumps +1 strength and 21 extra HP)
Purple Belt actually wasn't so bad, but I expect this is because one of the ram NMs I had to kill was walking around unclaimed when I zoned in
Ranger sub (even at level 1) is a godsend, to be sure
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chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.