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The Golden Compass - Armoured Bears and...well...more bears.

TurnerTurner Registered User regular
edited December 2007 in Social Entropy++
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The Golden Compass:

"There are worlds beyond our own - the compass will show the way."

This movie is released this Friday, the 7th. As such, I figured we could get this thread rolling along a couple days prior.

Here is a fairly vague explanation of the novel the film is based on, hopefully without any spoilers:
Northern Lights is the first novel in the His Dark Materials trilogy, written by the British novelist Philip Pullman and published in 1995.

The superficial resemblance of protagonist Lyra Belacqua's alethiometer (depicted on the book's cover) to a large compass caused the North American publishers of Northern Lights to retitle the book The Golden Compass. In fact, The Golden Compasses was an early proposal for the name of the trilogy (instead of His Dark Materials), taken from Milton's Paradise Lost, where it refers to the drawing instrument, rather than the navigation instrument.

Northern Lights won the Carnegie Medal for children's fiction in the UK in 1995, and in 2007 it was selected by judges of the Carnegie Medal as one of the ten most important children's novels of the past 70 years. In recent times, however, there has been some controversy about the book's message regarding religion.

Here is a link to the rest of the Wikipedia entry for the novel [WARNING: Spoilers]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Lights_(novel)

The release of the film has garnered a fair amount of controversy, mainly due to the anti-religious sentiment that is omni-present throughout the novels. However, rumour has it that the anti-religious sentiment has been toned down for the film, mainly to avoid alienating any religious people out there.

Nonetheless, I have heard rumours of fairly adamant boycotting of the film. I have seen evidence in Facebook groups, but I will be interested in seeing if anything actually happens at theaters.

Here are some links regarding the whole anti-religion gig:

http://www.kansascity.com/238/story/382607.html

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=c5a2f901-5fc9-48d0-bb68-3e5b3fb2817b&k=95042



There are already a couple reviews up at RottenTomatoes.com:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/his_dark_materials_the_golden_compass/

However, most of them seem to be written by people who are unfamiliar with the novel(s). I know that I will be seeing this film no matter what critics say, but for those who are easily swayed by such rhetoric, the reviews are not so hot...as of now.



This film has a fairly 'star-studded' cast, with such notables as:

Ian McShane

Daniel Craig
Nicole Kidman
Christopher Lee
Ian McKellan (who voices the bear shown snarling above!)

...and...

Sam Elliot

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Thanks go to the Geek for still hosting the two images I used in this OP.

Lastly, here is a link to the trailer:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/thegoldencompass/

Yeah, I am pretty excited. Anybody else planning on seeing it?

Please forgive my shitty OP.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I like the idea of this movie.

    Reviews haven't been so kind.

    I will probably see it anyway.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hey, how do they work the whole "there is no god" thing into it that Christians are complaing about?

    Seems like it would be pretty hokey to try and put that in a kid's film.

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  • TurnerTurner Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    trentsteel wrote: »
    Hey, how do they work the whole "there is no god" thing into it that Christians are complaing about?

    Seems like it would be pretty hokey to try and put that in a kid's film.


    Are you asking how they are working the trilogy's take on religion into the movie?

    If so, I think that is the whole reasoning behind toning down the religious aspects.

    Supposedly, the movie was originally created with far more religious overtones but the studio came in and cut out a lot of those parts to help make the movie more marketable.

    And technically, it isn't that there is no god, it is that
    in the novels, they kill god.

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  • BelruelBelruel NARUTO FUCKS Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    i really really like the books, i want to reread the first one before seeing the movie, its been a while.

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  • TurnerTurner Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Belruel wrote: »
    i really really like the books, i want to reread the first one before seeing the movie, its been a while.

    I actually just finished re-reading the whole series tonight.

    Last time I read the books, I only read the first two, and it was right when they came out (so I was only 9 or so). I missed a lot of the religion, which made the books a far more poignant read this recent time.

    I would highly recommend reading them again, especially if you were younger when you first read them.

    I will be honest, the last book made me cry a little bit tonight. If that makes me gay, so be it.

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  • AsherAsher Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I read the books years ago, so I am effectively going into this blind. I got a pretty positive feel from the trailers and remember liking the books. I am surprised that Rotten Tomatoes only has it on 38%.

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  • Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    this looks pretty sweet

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  • Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    i'm a sucker for giant animal sidekicks

    if they were riding around on giant ground sloths my boner would be earth shattering

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Omg this new chronicles of narnia movie will rule!

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  • Mr. Henry BemisMr. Henry Bemis God is love Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    chronicles of narnia was so ridiculously sanitized

    he pulls his sword out of a monster torso and it's clean

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    trentsteel wrote: »
    Hey, how do they work the whole "there is no god" thing into it that Christians are complaing about?

    Seems like it would be pretty hokey to try and put that in a kid's film.
    see; chronicles of narnia

    pls to be balancing the universe

    OH okay

    They do it with subtlety.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    i hear that liam neeson is doing the voice of the bear

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  • elijahtaryelijahtary Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It's going to be really interesting, if this movie is sucessful, how the Christian community is going to take the final book.

    btw, the books = awesome

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    What?

    Who kills God?

    Is he depicted like the white beard guy or is it like a big machine or something?

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    trentsteel wrote: »
    What?

    Who kills God?

    Is he depicted like the white beard guy or is it like a big machine or something?

    Big glowing sphere.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    trentsteel wrote: »
    What?

    Who kills God?

    Is he depicted like the white beard guy or is it like a big machine or something?

    Big glowing sphere.

    Do they kill him/it on purpose?

    Is it done by the bad guys or the good guys?

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    trentsteel wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    trentsteel wrote: »
    What?

    Who kills God?

    Is he depicted like the white beard guy or is it like a big machine or something?

    Big glowing sphere.

    Do they kill him/it on purpose?

    Is it done by the bad guys or the good guys?

    I dont know. Havent seen it.

    I am informed by reliable sources that the whole religious tone of the books is massively downplayed in the film, so it becomes nigh on generic fantasy.

    Why isnt it called Northern Lights either?

    Still, Sam Elliot makes it instant win.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Turner wrote: »
    And technically, it isn't that there is no god, it is that
    in the novels, they kill god.

    No, that's not true.
    They kill the Authority, who claimed to be God (the Creator) but was just another angel. So no god.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    So, God and angels are in this but it's pushing some kind of athiest agenda?

    I'm confused.

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  • ComahawkComahawk Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    trentsteel wrote: »
    So, God and angels are in this but it's pushing some kind of athiest agenda?

    I'm confused.

    Christians have two settings: "Annoying" and "Rage out over nothing", they are currently on the later setting.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    trentsteel wrote: »
    So, God and angels are in this but it's pushing some kind of athiest agenda?

    I'm confused.

    Because the Church (never called the Church in the film) are the bad guys.

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  • elijahtaryelijahtary Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Never thought of that until now, 6 months after I finished reading it.
    So technically, then, since the Authority was just an angel, as was Metatron, there would be no God anyways.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    elijahtary wrote: »
    Never thought of that until now, 6 months after I finished reading it.
    So technically, then, since the Authority was just an angel, as was Metatron, there would be no God anyways.

    Do the angels look cool in the movie?

    Also, where do the angels come from then?

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  • elijahtaryelijahtary Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Haven't seen the movie yet, just read the books.
    From what I understood, the angels are beings made completely out of Dust, and dust was made by some Deism-type god who created all the universes, and doesn't get involved with it.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    elijahtary wrote: »
    Haven't seen the movie yet, just read the books.
    From what I understood, the angels are beings made completely out of Dust, and dust was made by some Deism-type god who created all the universes, and doesn't get involved with it.

    So...there is a god then?

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  • elijahtaryelijahtary Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I don't think it was specifically mentioned in the books one way or the other, it's just a jist I got while reading. My brain could be malfunctioning... like it usually is.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Any movie featuring Sam Elliot riding a talking armored bear will at least get my consideration.

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  • QuirkQuirk Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Ooooh, I got tickets to see this tonight. I love the books and I'm looking forward to this, even though it looks like its gonna turn into some generic fantasy poop.

    Anyway, books very very good, later I will report back with my findings

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  • scarlet ave.scarlet ave. Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Oh shit, this comes out like Friday, does it not? Excellent.

    Also, I don't think God or any of his winged minstrels show up until book two at least. So probably none of that in this film.

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  • QuestionMarkManQuestionMarkMan Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    GET FUCKIN IAN MCSHANE IN THE OP SINCE HE'S PLAYING IAN MCKELLEN'S RIVAL BEAR

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  • bongibongi regular
    edited December 2007
    trentsteel wrote: »
    elijahtary wrote: »
    Never thought of that until now, 6 months after I finished reading it.
    So technically, then, since the Authority was just an angel, as was Metatron, there would be no God anyways.

    Do the angels look cool in the movie?

    Also, where do the angels come from then?

    I don't think Angels appear until The Subtle Knife, do they?

    Also, I suspect this movie will be totally butchered.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Comahawk wrote: »
    trentsteel wrote: »
    So, God and angels are in this but it's pushing some kind of athiest agenda?

    I'm confused.

    Christians have two settings: "Annoying" and "Rage out over nothing", they are currently on the later setting.

    You can agree or disagree with the message but anyone who can't see the blatant anti-religous (not really anti-christian, just anti-religion in general) tone of the novels wasn't paying much attention.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Comahawk wrote: »
    trentsteel wrote: »
    So, God and angels are in this but it's pushing some kind of athiest agenda?

    I'm confused.

    Christians have two settings: "Annoying" and "Rage out over nothing", they are currently on the later setting.

    You can agree or disagree with the message but anyone who can't see the blatant anti-religous (not really anti-christian, just anti-religion in general) tone of the novels wasn't paying much attention.
    It's actually anti-organized religion. Not anti-religion itself.

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  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The dude says it anti-totalitarianism.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    GET FUCKIN IAN MCSHANE IN THE OP SINCE HE'S PLAYING IAN MCKELLEN'S RIVAL BEAR

    There is a RIVAL BEAR

    Hmm maybe I will see this.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Comahawk wrote: »
    trentsteel wrote: »
    So, God and angels are in this but it's pushing some kind of athiest agenda?

    I'm confused.

    Christians have two settings: "Annoying" and "Rage out over nothing", they are currently on the later setting.

    You can agree or disagree with the message but anyone who can't see the blatant anti-religous (not really anti-christian, just anti-religion in general) tone of the novels wasn't paying much attention.
    It's actually anti-organized religion. Not anti-religion itself.

    Oh, the newscast I heard said that it promotes "atheism" so I am guessing they are just lumping anti-any sort of religion as atheism now.

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  • elijahtaryelijahtary Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    bongi wrote: »
    trentsteel wrote: »
    elijahtary wrote: »
    Never thought of that until now, 6 months after I finished reading it.
    So technically, then, since the Authority was just an angel, as was Metatron, there would be no God anyways.

    Do the angels look cool in the movie?

    Also, where do the angels come from then?

    I don't think Angels appear until The Subtle Knife, do they?

    Also, I suspect this movie will be totally butchered.

    Yeah, I meant until i finished the series lol.

    But yes, if they are going to be 'toning down' the anti-organized religion theme within the movies, they will be butchered terribly, and I think my faith in mankind will finally be ultimitely shattered

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Comahawk wrote: »
    trentsteel wrote: »
    So, God and angels are in this but it's pushing some kind of athiest agenda?

    I'm confused.

    Christians have two settings: "Annoying" and "Rage out over nothing", they are currently on the later setting.

    You can agree or disagree with the message but anyone who can't see the blatant anti-religous (not really anti-christian, just anti-religion in general) tone of the novels wasn't paying much attention.
    It's actually anti-organized religion. Not anti-religion itself.

    Pullman himself is a hugely outspoken atheist and has been quoted as saying "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief." Those words may only have been meant to stir controversy and boost book sales but calling him and his work anti-religious is pretty accurate.

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  • Wrench N RocketsWrench N Rockets Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    My studio made all the Daemons in the film. I can guarantee that they are all awesome.

    Pan is just so damn cute!

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