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"Next-Gen" Blizzard MMO officially confirmed as NOT a WoW expansion

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I fear for what will happen if this new MMO is even half as successful as WoW.
    Blizzard to purchase Vivendi in five years

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  • ParisInFlamesParisInFlames Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    I fear for what will happen if this new MMO is even half as successful as WoW.
    Blizzard to purchase Vivendi in five years

    Blizzard is a drop in the bucket compared to what Vivendi makes. They're a huge part of their games group, but as a whole, not so much.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Axen wrote: »
    I can't see a Diablo MMO. It would almost have to be rated Mature if its going to keep the atmosphere of the original games. I think a Mature rating would deter a number of people, like parents, from buying the game. Of course that is just speculation so what do I know?

    I don't really see this happening all that much. Ratings don't stop parents from running out and buying the latest GTA in droves for their kids, so I don't see it affecting sales really. Though Diablo has religious overtones, as opposed to drugs and sex, which children must be protected against at all costs.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I never quite got why some religious people get offended over games where you're killing demons. If you were playing as demons, or for the demons, I could understand, but really. You're running about, slaughtering the minions of hell.

    How is that anything BUT a positive religious idea?

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  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I never quite got why some religious people get offended over games where you're killing demons. If you were playing as demons, or for the demons, I could understand, but really. You're running about, slaughtering the minions of hell.

    How is that anything BUT a positive religious idea?

    Since when have religions made sense?

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  • ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It's probably not Diablo game. A Diablo MMORPG would sort of spit in the face of the established Diablo franchise and it would overlap too much with WoW. I'm fairly confident to wager it's not any sort of MMORPG at all, and if anything is likely a Blizzard take on the very under-explored MMO-action subgenres. Some kind of third or first person MMO shooter set in the Starcraft universe is the obvious first stop on the speculation train.

    There's a decent chance it's even a new IP. I give best odds to some kind of MMO realtime action, shooter, or strategy game. Blizzard is known for evolution, not revolution, so we probably won't see anything completely off the wall.

    It's not WoW 2. Blizzard is not that kind of company.

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  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Scosglen wrote: »
    It's not WoW 2. Blizzard is not that kind of company.

    Maybe not, but Activision is.

    Having said that, I don't think it's WoW 2 either, but, you know... "exploited annually" or some such...

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  • ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fig-D wrote: »
    Scosglen wrote: »
    It's not WoW 2. Blizzard is not that kind of company.

    Maybe not, but Activision is.

    Good thing WoW is developed and published by Blizzard, not Activision.

    For the inevitable smartass:
    Yes I know about the 'merger', and what I said is still completely correct and important to note.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    How is blizzard going to make a "next gen" MMO when there aren't any "next-gen" MMOs out to plagiarize?

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    World of Starcraft.

    Can you fucking imagine what would happen to east asia.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    World of Starcraft.

    Can you fucking imagine what would happen to east asia.
    Upon announcement of the game being made, every man in Korea would orgasm simultaneously and drown the country in an ocean of semen.

    The few survivors would be so excited about waiting for the game, that their remaining economy would collapse and the country would turn into a Mad Max-esque wasteland.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    World of Starcraft.

    Can you fucking imagine what would happen to east asia.
    Upon announcement of the game being made, every man in Korea would orgasm simultaneously and drown the country in an ocean of semen.

    The few survivors would be so excited about waiting for the game, that their remaining economy would collapse and the country would turn into a Mad Max-esque wasteland.

    :lol:

    oh man beat'd like a cheap whore

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  • HayasaHayasa Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Drovek wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    That doesn't sound casual-friendly. You can be certain that whatever this new MMO is, it'll be a mass market game and casual player friendly.

    Well, my view on that is that they already have the casual-friendly MMO out.
    Um, what?

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hayasa wrote: »
    Drovek wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    That doesn't sound casual-friendly. You can be certain that whatever this new MMO is, it'll be a mass market game and casual player friendly.

    Well, my view on that is that they already have the casual-friendly MMO out.
    Um, what?

    WoW has been generally considered in the press to be 'My First MMO'.

    Compared to other MMOs even at its most hardcore its barely even competing in lunacy stakes.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hayasa wrote: »
    Drovek wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    That doesn't sound casual-friendly. You can be certain that whatever this new MMO is, it'll be a mass market game and casual player friendly.

    Well, my view on that is that they already have the casual-friendly MMO out.
    Um, what?

    WoW is constantly criticized by MMO veterns for being too casual friendly. If you want the whole argument, go to the MMO section of this forum and ask about it. They're rather passionate about it, and apparently WoW is not as good a game as it could be because of the fact it is casual friendly. Don't ask me how that makes sense.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Hayasa wrote: »
    Drovek wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    That doesn't sound casual-friendly. You can be certain that whatever this new MMO is, it'll be a mass market game and casual player friendly.

    Well, my view on that is that they already have the casual-friendly MMO out.
    Um, what?

    WoW is constantly criticized by MMO veterns for being too casual friendly. If you want the whole argument, go to the MMO section of this forum and ask about it. They're rather passionate about it, and apparently WoW is not as good a game as it could be because of the fact it is casual friendly. Don't ask me how that makes sense.

    Playing with casual players does effectively kill the gaming experience.

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The end game of WoW is hardly what i'd call casual friendly ...

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Still too casual. If you can maintain a 9-5 job and still hit max level, your playing a crappy casual game.

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    That's what I mean, leveling up to 60/70 and presumably 80 is too easy/casual, then is replaced by nothing but time sinks.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Please tell me you didn't just take my comment seriously.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    Please tell me you didn't just take my comment seriously.

    No, I was taking more as a defense of level 70 characters who still don't know how to play the game and ruin battlegrounds for the rest of us.

    "Casual" doesn't even refer to time played. I spend less time in game than alot of casual players in my alliance guild.

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  • RoshinRoshin My backlog can be seen from space SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I'm willing to bet money it will be a StarCraft MMOG with no RTS elements. With it, Blizzard will dominate the MMOG market completely, having the most successful fantasy and science fiction MMOG's. I expect it to play roughly like WoW, because you don't fuck with a winning formula like that. No one has been really successful with a science fiction MMOG yet, even Star Wars Galaxies fell flat on it's face, but with the combined might of Blizzard and StarCraft and the WoW blueprint, I can easily see it happen. There will be no RTS elements for the same reason WoW doesn't have them. It would cut into what WarCraft 3 and StarCraft 2 will already be doing.

    As for a sequel to WoW, there will obviously be one in time, but it wont happen as long as the community is there and the community is bigger than ever. Like I said above, you don't fuck with something like that and Blizzard are well aware of it. Every update and expansion to date have been quite conservative. They only do what they have to do and not one bit more.

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    Please tell me you didn't just take my comment seriously.


    Well you never know. I know a lot of people believe what you said. To be honest my best MMO experience was in AC2 and the concept of max level wasn't one many people had to worry about. Leveling got so slow at higher levels, but there was always great content to be done at your level, for example instances that you could take 60 or so people to, from levels 51 up to the 70+s and everyone could have a blast. And epic hunting areas where you get a group of friends together (with a wide level range) and hunt huge "elite" beasts on the plains for great xp. I miss that game :(

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  • AndorienAndorien Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Roshin wrote: »
    I expect it to play roughly like WoW, because you don't fuck with a winning formula like that.

    I hope not. The actual gameplay in WoW is shitty shit shit.

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  • CuddlyCuteKittenCuddlyCuteKitten Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The majority of the Starcraft fans (especially the more hardcore ones) also hate WoW so I don't think that would be a good idea.

    Force them to grind for "Raynors Marine suit set" or a "Pulse rifle +5 fire damage" and someone is going to die. No one is going to accept raiding Kerrigan over and over for loot, it doesn't fit with the setting at all.

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  • Ant000Ant000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Andorien wrote: »
    Roshin wrote: »
    I expect it to play roughly like WoW, because you don't fuck with a winning formula like that.

    I hope not. The actual gameplay in WoW is shitty shit shit.

    It really is.

    I mean it's the best EQ-Formula MMO there is... but that formula is a horrible one from a player prospective, IMO. Time sinks, grinds, carrot on a stick type stuff.

    UO, AC, and EVE are at the top of my list thus far in terms of ideas and innovations that need to be built on.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The majority of the Starcraft fans (especially the more hardcore ones) also hate WoW so I don't think that would be a good idea.

    Force them to grind for "Raynors Marine suit set" or a "Pulse rifle +5 fire damage" and someone is going to die. No one is going to accept raiding Kerrigan over and over for loot, it doesn't fit with the setting at all.

    That's if this all turns out to be a Starcraft MMORPG.

    A Starcraft MMOFPS will not have those elements.

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  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    No one is going to accept raiding Kerrigan over and over for loot

    oh I'd raid Kerrigan over and over, but not for loot :winky:

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  • GeeeeeoffGeeeeeoff Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Maybe "Next Gen" means it's an MMO for the XBOX 360/PS3...

    Or maybe it's Blackthorne: Online.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Guitar Hero: Online Adventures

    Am I the only one who thinks that could actually be awesome?

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  • RoshinRoshin My backlog can be seen from space SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Andorien wrote: »
    Roshin wrote: »
    I expect it to play roughly like WoW, because you don't fuck with a winning formula like that.

    I hope not. The actual gameplay in WoW is shitty shit shit.

    I did my time in WoW (human priest/troll priest) and there's no way I'm ever going back. That's how utterly bored I am with it. But it doesn't matter, because millions love it.
    The majority of the Starcraft fans (especially the more hardcore ones) also hate WoW so I don't think that would be a good idea.

    Force them to grind for "Raynors Marine suit set" or a "Pulse rifle +5 fire damage" and someone is going to die. No one is going to accept raiding Kerrigan over and over for loot, it doesn't fit with the setting at all.

    A handful of whiners on a forum does not make up a "majority". Also, I imagine they will be playing SC2 for their RTS fix.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Lehi, UTRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The majority of the Starcraft fans (especially the more hardcore ones) also hate WoW so I don't think that would be a good idea.

    Force them to grind for "Raynors Marine suit set" or a "Pulse rifle +5 fire damage" and someone is going to die. No one is going to accept raiding Kerrigan over and over for loot, it doesn't fit with the setting at all.

    Thats what people said about Illidan, Kael, and soon Arthas; but once they were actually "killable" and dropped phat lewtz, people stopped caring about it.

    Same thing will happen if they do a SC MMO. People are still playing SC because of it's balance and gameplay, not because of the characters and lore; which is non-existent in multiplayer ayway.

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  • Mace1370Mace1370 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Guitar Hero: Online Adventures

    Am I the only one who thinks that could actually be awesome?

    Village Elder, "Welcome xXSlashXx! If you've noticed, our town is being overrun by crazed rock fangirls. I need you to go out there and help clean things up. Play a few awesome concerts and bring me back 10 silk panties as proof that you have placated the masses. You will be heartily rewarded! Rewards:

    - 20 Experience
    - Super sweet rainbow pick"

    [Accept] [Deny]

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Mace1370 wrote: »
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Guitar Hero: Online Adventures

    Am I the only one who thinks that could actually be awesome?

    Village Elder, "Welcome xXSlashXx! If you've noticed, our town is being overrun by crazed rock fangirls. I need you to go out there and help clean things up. Play a few awesome concerts and bring me back 10 silk panties as proof that you have placated the masses. You will be heartily rewarded! Rewards:

    - 20 Experience
    - Super sweet rainbow pick"

    [Accept] [Deny]

    It would probably end up more like this:
    Village Elder, "Welcome xXSlashXx! If you've noticed, you only have two strings so you can only play a few notes. I have one, and I'm bored. If you grind The Number of the Beast for about an hour, I will give you another guitar string.

    - 20 Experience (out of the 1000 needed to get to the next level)
    - Guitar string

    [Accept] [Deny]"

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    MMOFPS = Star Wars Battlefront in a persistant set of worlds that you can constantly fight over? Where almost all the troops are actual players? Using the Starcraft franchise?

    If the answers to these questions are yes, then I am prepared to surrender to the new Evil Overlords which Blizzard has spawned.

    Lars on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Lars wrote: »
    MMOFPS = Star Wars Battlefront in a persistant set of worlds that you can constantly fight over? Where almost all the troops are actual players? Using the Starcraft franchise?

    If the answers to these questions are yes, then I am prepared to surrender to the new Evil Overlords which Blizzard has spawned.

    "This is a picture of my son! He needs his father! You're killing me! You're killing meeeeeeeeeeeee..."

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Guitar Hero: Online Adventures

    Am I the only one who thinks that could actually be awesome?

    Maybe for some people

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  • LemmingLemming Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The majority of the Starcraft fans (especially the more hardcore ones) also hate WoW so I don't think that would be a good idea.

    Force them to grind for "Raynors Marine suit set" or a "Pulse rifle +5 fire damage" and someone is going to die. No one is going to accept raiding Kerrigan over and over for loot, it doesn't fit with the setting at all.

    Thats what people said about Illidan, Kael, and soon Arthas; but once they were actually "killable" and dropped phat lewtz, people stopped caring about it.

    Same thing will happen if they do a SC MMO. People are still playing SC because of it's balance and gameplay, not because of the characters and lore; which is non-existent in multiplayer ayway.

    This is completely different, though. Even as RTS's, Starcraft and Warcraft are completely different. In Warcraft, there are heroes, and each unit is pretty important, and having three or four more grunts, can, for example, change the tide of a battle, and heroes are extremely powerful units that can, on their own, influence the battle a huge amount. In Starcraft, on the other hand, there are no heroes, and units are expendable. Each individual unit won't make much of a difference.

    For Warcraft, this translates pretty well to an RPG, but it really, really wouldn't work for Starcraft. I mean, seriously, loot? Farming? Are marines really going to go on "quests" where they get rewarded with better guns and armor they take from a zerg corpse? For someone that has an average battle lifespan of about nine seconds (according to the Brood War manual)? Do you really think that?

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Looting an assault rifle from a dead zergling doesn't make any less sense than looting a sword from a wolf.

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  • SceptreSceptre Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Lars wrote: »
    MMOFPS = Star Wars Battlefront in a persistant set of worlds that you can constantly fight over? Where almost all the troops are actual players? Using the Starcraft franchise?

    If the answers to these questions are yes, then I am prepared to surrender to the new Evil Overlords which Blizzard has spawned.

    "This is a picture of my son! He needs his father! You're killing me! You're killing meeeeeeeeeeeee..."

    Did you hear anything?

    Only the sound of a cash register going "Ka-ching, Ka-ching".

    Sceptre on
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