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Man of the Year: Vladimir Putin

HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled ManRegistered User regular
edited December 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
TIME has selected its Person of the Year, and it's Russia's president/soon to be prime minister, responsible for bringing Russia back to global relevance.

A Tsar Is Born is their somewhat-interview with him, which is rather intriguing because Putin rarely speaks to the foreign press.


The runners-up are:

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    corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I bet he felt proud he outranked J.K. Rowling, and now shares an honour with Hitler.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Well at least it wasn't 'YOU' again.

    I think I agree overall though with the choice, Putin's pretty much done whatever he wants and wields more than his fair share of influence on global politics.

    I would have liked to have seen Gordon Brown among the runners up.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Just me or is TIME magazine a total joke anymore?

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited December 2007
    It's not just you. TIME magazine is a total joke anymore.

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    werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I'm not sure I agree with this, though I suppose I can see where it's coming from. A newly reborn USSR could well mean more to the world than anything else that's happened this year.

    Doesn't mean I don't dislike this selection at a gut level. I'll have to think about it some more.

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited December 2007
    It's probably a good selection, even though I think TIME is the intersection of irrelevant and loathsome.

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It should have been "ME" this year.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Putin has given us the following:

    1. Hilarious images of him in a wide variety of activities able to be used in makeshift poker-raises on the interwebs, thus extending our glorious culture.

    2. Peak oil doomsday scenarios

    3. Finally a country the US generals can call a potential enemy who will have the kindness and decency to field some high-tech anti-aircraft missile systems to justify building high-tech stealth planes so they can avoid them, as opposed to now where we do it anyway because it's cool.

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    GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    J.K. Rowling was on the shortlist?

    Were there no good scientific breakthroughs this year? No major economic turnarounds? No firefighters rescuing kittens from trees?

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    HeartlashHeartlash Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Really, as if Putin needs more of an ego boost after he went and claimed the north pole.

    I can't agree with this choice.

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    CommunistCowCommunistCow Abstract Metal ThingyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    3. Finally a country the US generals can call a potential enemy who will have the kindness and decency to field some high-tech anti-aircraft missile systems to justify building high-tech stealth planes so they can avoid them, as opposed to now where we do it anyway because it's cool.

    Well how else are we suppose to justify spending more money on our military than every other military in the world combined?

    I'm glad those really expensive planes and various other technology has helped us defeat terrorism once and for all.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Heartlash wrote: »
    Really, as if Putin needs more of an ego boost after he went and claimed the north pole.

    I can't agree with this choice.

    Who would you have preferred?

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    AdimaxAdimax Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Kagera wrote: »
    Heartlash wrote: »
    Really, as if Putin needs more of an ego boost after he went and claimed the north pole.

    I can't agree with this choice.

    Who would you have preferred?

    Howie Mandel.

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    NexusSixNexusSix Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Huh, a KGB thug. Neat.

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    OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    A man whose response to the Litvinenko murder was, "Nuh UH!"

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    The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Things I have learned about Vladimir Putin on NPR:

    (1) He has openly said that he is going to return as Prime Minister and then attempt to move all executive powers from the Presidency to the Prime Minister. That is soooo fucking gangsta I just don't even know where to begin.

    (2) Okay this isn't exactly about Putin, but whoever his croney is that he's installing into the Presidency after he leaves is an avid collector of first-pressings of Deep Purple records. You can't make this shit up. Based on these facts, I would have to nominate Thanatos as our new Russian foreign diplomat, as he the Prez-to-be will be able to have some of the most bonding matches of chess the world has ever seen.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Heartlash wrote: »
    Really, as if Putin needs more of an ego boost after he went and claimed the north pole.

    I can't agree with this choice.

    It's not about him, though. As mentioned, it's an honor he shares with Hitler. It's about who had tremendous effect on the world, good or bad. I think Putin is as good a choice as any; he's actually made Russia look, at least to many, like something worth worrying about again.
    Blackjack wrote: »
    It should have been "ME" this year.

    And next year it can be "Them." It would be awesome.

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    deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Kagera wrote: »
    Heartlash wrote: »
    Really, as if Putin needs more of an ego boost after he went and claimed the north pole.

    I can't agree with this choice.

    Who would you have preferred?

    Simon Pegg?

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    deowolf wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Heartlash wrote: »
    Really, as if Putin needs more of an ego boost after he went and claimed the north pole.

    I can't agree with this choice.

    Who would you have preferred?

    Simon Pegg?

    Dude, he's going to be Scotty? Yeah, I think I'm with you on this one now...

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    UndefinedMonkeyUndefinedMonkey Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    It should have been "ME" this year.

    And next year it can be "Them." It would be awesome.

    They totally missed out on the opportunity to put a mirror with a big red X through it on the cover and say "Time's Person of the Year is..... NOT YOU! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA."

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    GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    celery77 wrote: »
    (2) Okay this isn't exactly about Putin, but whoever his croney is that he's installing into the Presidency after he leaves is an avid collector of first-pressings of Deep Purple records.

    If Russia's national anthem becomes 'Burn', I will move there and hail their government as the only right and just one.

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    HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Gim wrote: »
    celery77 wrote: »
    (2) Okay this isn't exactly about Putin, but whoever his croney is that he's installing into the Presidency after he leaves is an avid collector of first-pressings of Deep Purple records.

    If Russia's national anthem becomes 'Burn', I will move there and hail their government as the only right and just one.
    No, it should totally be "Child in Time."

    Or "Space Trucking," if they want to get their space program back on track.

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    khainkhain Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    A man whose response to the Litvinenko murder was, "Nuh UH!"

    Are you trying to say that he shouldn't be the Man of the Year because of this?

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    Not SarastroNot Sarastro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Kagera wrote: »
    I would have liked to have seen Gordon Brown among the runners up.

    You have to be fucking kidding me? For what, massive underperformer of the year? Best MacCavity impression? Most imperial modelling of novel garments?

    California seems to have a slightly fucked up impression of Brown's impact and/or worth (I know the UK does of Arnie), and I'm interested to know where it comes from.

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    OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    khain wrote: »
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    A man whose response to the Litvinenko murder was, "Nuh UH!"

    Are you trying to say that he shouldn't be the Man of the Year because of this?

    No.

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    thorpethorpe Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I did a paper on Putin a few weeks ago for school. It basically solidified my intense loathing for him as a human being, although its also hard not to admire what he's managed to accomplish.

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    AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Oh yes, let's shower more attention upon Vladimir Putin. This is precisely what the world needs right now.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    thorpe wrote: »
    I did a paper on Putin a few weeks ago for school. It basically solidified my intense loathing for him as a human being, although its also hard not to admire what he's managed to accomplish.

    I don't see how practically destroying democracy in Russia is something that can be admired.

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    OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It's akin to admiring the chutzpah necessary to shit on the hood of a cop car.

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    Not SarastroNot Sarastro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    thorpe wrote: »
    I did a paper on Putin a few weeks ago for school. It basically solidified my intense loathing for him as a human being, although its also hard not to admire what he's managed to accomplish.

    I don't see how practically destroying democracy in Russia is something that can be admired.

    You can admire Hitler's organisational ability and capacity to entrance the populace without liking what he used them for. Demonising or denying laudable personal traits because of the bad stuff they use them for just means you understand less. If you want to avoid that bad stuff in future, this isn't clever.

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    Not SarastroNot Sarastro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Also, democracy didn't really exist in Russia for him to destroy. Arguably, at one point early on, Putin's Russia was a much better expression of democracy than the oligarchy & neutered political class that went before. He is still extremely popular you know. Arguably, Russian democracy has failed because Russians want what they are used to, namely strong autocracy.

    I'm not a fan of the man, but simplifying him & what he has done will just perpetuate ignorance.

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    NexusSixNexusSix Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Demonising or denying laudable personal traits because of the bad stuff they use them for just means you understand less.

    Canonizing a person with those traits isn't a great route to go either.

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Christ, J.K. Rowling?

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    thorpethorpe Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    thorpe wrote: »
    I did a paper on Putin a few weeks ago for school. It basically solidified my intense loathing for him as a human being, although its also hard not to admire what he's managed to accomplish.

    I don't see how practically destroying democracy in Russia is something that can be admired.

    No, but bringing it back to even a shadow of its former glory can be.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    celery77 wrote: »
    Things I have learned about Vladimir Putin on NPR:

    (1) He has openly said that he is going to return as Prime Minister and then attempt to move all executive powers from the Presidency to the Prime Minister. That is soooo fucking gangsta I just don't even know where to begin.

    (2) Okay this isn't exactly about Putin, but whoever his croney is that he's installing into the Presidency after he leaves is an avid collector of first-pressings of Deep Purple records. You can't make this shit up. Based on these facts, I would have to nominate Thanatos as our new Russian foreign diplomat, as he the Prez-to-be will be able to have some of the most bonding matches of chess the world has ever seen.
    I've always wanted to visit Russia.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Also, democracy didn't really exist in Russia for him to destroy. Arguably, at one point early on, Putin's Russia was a much better expression of democracy than the oligarchy & neutered political class that went before. He is still extremely popular you know. Arguably, Russian democracy has failed because Russians want what they are used to, namely strong autocracy.

    I'm not a fan of the man, but simplifying him & what he has done will just perpetuate ignorance.
    I think you're right about Russia wanting what they used to have, which is not strong autocracy for its own sake, but they want to go back to being one of the two most powerful countries in the world.

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    DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2007
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    ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Harrier wrote: »

    So he didn't have much competition.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Christ, J.K. Rowling?
    You should go read the article about her that they put up. Like the whole thing. It's an ok argument.

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    Not SarastroNot Sarastro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    NexusSix wrote: »
    Demonising or denying laudable personal traits because of the bad stuff they use them for just means you understand less.

    Canonizing a person with those traits isn't a great route to go either.

    The traits are good - it's the way he uses them that are bad. Plenty of people get canonised with those traits because they use them for good, and nobody complains. Denying that they can also be used for bad is not clever.

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