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Bioshock: Plot twist like a wrench to the head

Inglorious CoyoteInglorious Coyote Registered User regular
edited February 2008 in Games and Technology
Anyway, after the glut of games I had to buy this year, I sort of missed out on Bioshock, which rumor has it is fairly decent. So, I went ahead and picked it up. Only a few hours in (just killed my first Big Daddy), and my impressions so far.

- Pretty game, with really good design. The 'underwater art deco' thing is a pretty new look for a game. And so far Rapture is interesting. I assume as I go on I'll learn more of what happened to turn the place from sudeo-utopia to underwater nightmare?

- Voice acting has been fairly good, with some of the folks (the first guy you hunt down, that Doctor) being downright creepy. And as a side, Atlas is gonna end up being evil, isn't he? I'm trying to remember the last time the whole 'Hey, I'm gonna talk to you on the radio all game and be your friend, but wait till you find out who I really am." didn't end up leading to the guy being evil.

- I'm sort of a wuss at scary games, and already Bioshock is starting to get to me. Anytime all the lights go out I get a little freaked, and the monster in the closet stuff is just wrong.

But all in all, very good game so far. I'm gonna take my time, explore, hear all the diary's I can.

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I just wanted to say that a few month's isn't exactly LTTP.

    But be glad you got it, because its a marvelous game that I should really complete.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    1) You do learn more about Rapture. Primarily through audio logs. Pick them ALL up if you see one.

    2) Lets just say the plot twist in Bioshock is not what you, or anyone else, thought it would be.

    3) It gets much much much much scarier. If you are scared or freaked in the first few hours, you will be shitting yourself five times a minute in Fort Frolic.

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  • PrimesghostPrimesghost Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    But all in all, very good game so far. I'm gonna take my time, explore, hear all the diary's I can.

    You really wanna do that with this game. I think (just my opinion here) it's got the best storyline of any game released this year.

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  • Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I just got it for Xmas, but so far I've only been able to play it for half an hour.

    That's all I have to add to this thread at this point, just that I'm late to the party as well. So...you're not alone.

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    1) You do learn more about Rapture. Primarily through audio logs. Pick them ALL up if you see one.

    2) Lets just say the plot twist in Bioshock is not what you, or anyone else, thought it would be.

    3) It gets much much much much scarier. If you are scared or freaked in the first few hours, you will be shitting yourself five times a minute in Fort Frolic.
    Fort Frolic was super 'what the fuck'.

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  • BlackDoveBlackDove Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yes, if Game of the Year is "fairly decent", then yeah, it's fairly decent.

    Shit, the Evening with Sander Cohen alone was award worthy (Fort Frolic, as others here call it).

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    3) It gets much much much much scarier. If you are scared or freaked in the first few hours, you will be shitting yourself five times a minute in Fort Frolic.

    Fort Frolic is definitely a D: area, and I'm a total wuss gamer. I always felt that the initial areas had better scripted events, though, like
    the open room when you pick up the shotgun, or when you're chasing after the doctor and wading through that one room with waist-deep water, then the lights cut and you hear him laughing maniacally.

    And I definitely felt compelled to go back and replay the game after it was all over due to what happens in the last segments. I found the final section a little uneven as compared to the rest of the game's quality but it's still something every 360 owners should ride through at least once.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I loved the atmosphere, the graphics, the sound, the idea of this game...

    but actually playing it was a different story. I just couldn't get into it, the FPS part just never felt right to me.

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  • FireWeaselFireWeasel Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I'm now playing it on the 360 (again) but with the patch that lets you turn off all the Vitachambers...playing through on Hard with no revivals is QUITE the challenge. Big Daddies now officially scare the high holy hell out of me.

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  • BlackDoveBlackDove Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I beat it on hard with no revivals. Revivals are for casual player pussies. Real men save every fifteen seconds and reload.

    Big daddies are easy once you get the "protect me big daddy" plasmid. Get one to cover you, and attack another (levels are open ended, you can take one to the other, just have to time it right so the one you're going to kill has the sister). It goes from impossible, to very possible since after the two duke it out, the remaining one with the sister will have very little HP. Time to get those armor piercing bullets to work there.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    But all in all, very good game so far. I'm gonna take my time, explore, hear all the diary's I can.

    You really wanna do that with this game. I think (just my opinion here) it's got the best storyline of any game released this year.

    You should really pick up Persona 3 then. :) The story is so amazing. Well, if you enjoy RPGs at least.

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  • ExarchExarch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I loved it. Great atmosphere, the voice acting was top notch across the board, and it really conveyed a sense of isolation and loneliness. The way I became attached to the little sisters was almost a study in isolation psychology.

    The game did have enough gameplay flaws however that I doubt I'll replay it. The over abundance of resources and Adam somewhat spoils the game's RPG elements, and the gun play is only moderate in quality.

    It is a story everyone should experience though, and it deserved all the attention it received.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I just got it for Christmas as well. I've got two files running now, one for the bad ending and one for the good ending.

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  • StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    This thread needed to wait for Bioshock to drop down to Greatest Hits pricing ;/

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    BlackDove wrote: »
    I beat it on hard with no revivals. Revivals are for casual player pussies. Real men save every fifteen seconds and reload.

    Big daddies are easy once you get the "protect me big daddy" plasmid. Get one to cover you, and attack another (levels are open ended, you can take one to the other, just have to time it right so the one you're going to kill has the sister). It goes from impossible, to very possible since after the two duke it out, the remaining one with the sister will have very little HP. Time to get those armor piercing bullets to work there.

    Did that as well 2 weeks ago. Really reminded me how great the game is. It's one of the most well-told, if not the most well-told, story in a game ever, imo. Rapture is such an amazing place, and the audio diaries are so well done... The story is just in every single thing that you see. Nothing in the game isn't relevant to the story somehow. It's really really unique and well done, and I hope we see more of that indirect storytelling in games. The
    Little Sister training center was just so well done, with the button with a picture of a lady on it and one with a Big Daddy on it giving candy, the lady one giving electric shocks.

    My GOTY. The gameplay isn't the best in the world, but the game is just so much more than the sum of its parts.

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  • BladeXBladeX Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    But all in all, very good game so far. I'm gonna take my time, explore, hear all the diary's I can.

    You really wanna do that with this game. I think (just my opinion here) it's got the best storyline of any game released this year.

    I would have to agree. Definitely take your time and explore. If you race through the game like a standard FPS you miss out on so much of the experience.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I just got it for Christmas as well. I've got two files running now, one for the bad ending and one for the good ending.

    you can easily do that with one file.

    Wanna know how? check the spoiler

    you only need to harvest one little sister to be considered Satan. Just harvest the last sister in the game. Make a save before that point and you'll get both endings.

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  • stranger678stranger678 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I just got it for Christmas as well. I've got two files running now, one for the bad ending and one for the good ending.

    you can easily do that with one file.

    Wanna know how? check the spoiler

    you only need to harvest one little sister to be considered Satan. Just harvest the last sister in the game. Make a save before that point and you'll get both endings.
    Pretty sure you need to whack two of them to be satan

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    BlackDove wrote: »
    I beat it on hard with no revivals. Revivals are for casual player pussies. Real men save every fifteen seconds and reload.

    Big daddies are easy once you get the "protect me big daddy" plasmid. Get one to cover you, and attack another (levels are open ended, you can take one to the other, just have to time it right so the one you're going to kill has the sister). It goes from impossible, to very possible since after the two duke it out, the remaining one with the sister will have very little HP. Time to get those armor piercing bullets to work there.

    You don't get that plasmid on the evil path. Killing BDs on hard without Vitachambers and without that plasmid is fucking hard.

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    BlackDove wrote: »
    I beat it on hard with no revivals. Revivals are for casual player pussies. Real men save every fifteen seconds and reload.

    Big daddies are easy once you get the "protect me big daddy" plasmid. Get one to cover you, and attack another (levels are open ended, you can take one to the other, just have to time it right so the one you're going to kill has the sister). It goes from impossible, to very possible since after the two duke it out, the remaining one with the sister will have very little HP. Time to get those armor piercing bullets to work there.

    You don't get that plasmid on the evil path. Killing BDs on hard without Vitachambers and without that plasmid is fucking hard.

    I never had that much trouble, except for like the first 3-4 BDs in the game, because of the lack of good weapons/ammo/cash. At about Arcadia though, I didn't have much trouble anymore. Grenades/electrobuck combo works well. Stun him with the elec-buck, grenade, switch back, rinse and repeat.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    BlackDove wrote: »
    I beat it on hard with no revivals. Revivals are for casual player pussies. Real men save every fifteen seconds and reload.

    Big daddies are easy once you get the "protect me big daddy" plasmid. Get one to cover you, and attack another (levels are open ended, you can take one to the other, just have to time it right so the one you're going to kill has the sister). It goes from impossible, to very possible since after the two duke it out, the remaining one with the sister will have very little HP. Time to get those armor piercing bullets to work there.

    When I played the demo, I felt the Revivals were total weak sauce. It was the game saying " Oh hahha, you suck! let me fix you up." I do need to buy bioshock. I will eventually.

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  • Kris_xKKris_xK Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I just got it for Christmas as well. I've got two files running now, one for the bad ending and one for the good ending.

    you can easily do that with one file.

    Wanna know how? check the spoiler

    you only need to harvest one little sister to be considered Satan. Just harvest the last sister in the game. Make a save before that point and you'll get both endings.
    Pretty sure you need to whack two of them to be satan
    Yeah, you need to harvest 2 to be naughty.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    BlackDove wrote: »
    I beat it on hard with no revivals. Revivals are for casual player pussies. Real men save every fifteen seconds and reload.

    Big daddies are easy once you get the "protect me big daddy" plasmid. Get one to cover you, and attack another (levels are open ended, you can take one to the other, just have to time it right so the one you're going to kill has the sister). It goes from impossible, to very possible since after the two duke it out, the remaining one with the sister will have very little HP. Time to get those armor piercing bullets to work there.

    When I played the demo, I felt the Revivals were total weak sauce. It was the game saying " Oh hahha, you suck! let me fix you up." I do need to buy bioshock. I will eventually.

    Yeah, but to be fair, how can you balance a game where you do not know how much life, EVE, ammo, and what weapons the player has. It's not like you can just grind and get these things. Often I have been stuck due to being out of EVE or been really really cautious because I only have Pistol ammo left. If you play wisely you should be okay but sometimes playing it on hard and trying to take down a Big Daddy can really drain ALL of your resources. I've beaten a Big Daddy before and then, wow... 1 health pack left, no Eve, hardly any ammo left...

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    BlackDove wrote: »
    I beat it on hard with no revivals. Revivals are for casual player pussies. Real men save every fifteen seconds and reload.

    Big daddies are easy once you get the "protect me big daddy" plasmid. Get one to cover you, and attack another (levels are open ended, you can take one to the other, just have to time it right so the one you're going to kill has the sister). It goes from impossible, to very possible since after the two duke it out, the remaining one with the sister will have very little HP. Time to get those armor piercing bullets to work there.

    When I played the demo, I felt the Revivals were total weak sauce. It was the game saying " Oh hahha, you suck! let me fix you up." I do need to buy bioshock. I will eventually.

    Yeah, but to be fair, how can you balance a game where you do not know how much life, EVE, ammo, and what weapons the player has. It's not like you can just grind and get these things. Often I have been stuck due to being out of EVE or been really really cautious because I only have Pistol ammo left. If you play wisely you should be okay but sometimes playing it on hard and trying to take down a Big Daddy can really drain ALL of your resources. I've beaten a Big Daddy before and then, wow... 1 health pack left, no Eve, hardly any ammo left...
    Yeah but money practically grows on trees in Rapture, not to mention invention stuff. It really isn't hard to have topped off supplies and loads of money pretty much all the time.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I still need to finish this. I got up to the fisherman and then midterms creeped up, and when I finished with them Halo 3 came and I never picked it back up.

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  • setrajonassetrajonas Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The easiest way I found to kill Big Daddies was to set up a line of trap bolts. Especially against Bouncers: you just shoot them once and they dash straight for you through the traps and hit the floor dead. Barring that, electrogel will massacre them.

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  • fragglefartfragglefart Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I never finished this on hard, and the new plasmids + Achievements are a great excuse, but man... backlog of doom right now.

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  • BloodEBloodE Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    This game is incredible, but there weren't really any big fights, big daddies were probably the hardest thing and they were still pretty easy. I'd usually shock them then shoot with machine gun.

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  • GaruGaru Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Are there any half decent difficulty tweaks for this game? I remember seeing one that made things harder in the lame way, by giving enemies more health, but is there some way to increase damage across the board? Something so that I deal twice the damage to enemies, but they deal twice as much to me? I really like this game, but I hate shooters where enemies can just keep soaking up hits while you pelt them with NERF guns. How are the new plasmids, anyways? Is there anything there that really changes the game around?

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  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I got this for Christmas to play on my new gaming rig. I've just killed my second Big Daddy and that old guy just asked me to get a research camera. Beautiful game, really eerie and wrenching things is great fun...

    Also, as an Irish person, Atlas' accent makes me laugh.

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  • EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    We...we don't go to Front Frolic.

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  • Uncle_BalsamicUncle_Balsamic Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I got it for Christmas too, I'm just after the 1st Big Daddy as well. I have one question though, how careful should I be when spending Adam, is there enough to just buy stuff or should I save it for later on?

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Tav wrote: »
    I got this for Christmas to play on my new gaming rig. I've just killed my second Big Daddy and that old guy just asked me to get a research camera. Beautiful game, really eerie and wrenching things is great fun...

    Also, as an Irish person, Atlas' accent makes me laugh.

    "You should go to fairmer's mairket".

    Also yeah, the Splicers in the endgame take waaaaay too much damage. Not very satisfying when you have to pump an entire clip of machine gun rounds into them before they die.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I got it for Christmas too, I'm just after the 1st Big Daddy as well. I have one question though, how careful should I be when spending Adam, is there enough to just buy stuff or should I save it for later on?

    You cannot purchase everything, but buy whatever you feel you want to play with and will match your style. If you want to play the game on hard and not use vita chambers, then you will want to get the health and Eve extension upgrades. If you just want to have fun, then grab fun shit like the bees plasmid and other fun stuff like that.

    You have enough to experiment with, but not enough to waste, if that makes any sense.

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  • ghost_master2000ghost_master2000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Kyougu wrote: »
    I loved the atmosphere, the graphics, the sound, the idea of this game...

    but actually playing it was a different story. I just couldn't get into it, the FPS part just never felt right to me.

    I'm with you on this one. I just didn't have any drive to keep going.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Late to the party? This came out like 2 months ago, party's still going.

    Also, the wrench is your friend. By the end of the game, it is far stronger than any gun, if you use the right spells, er, biotics, er, plasmids.

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  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I really really loved this game but I felt that there wasn't enough diaries and places to just explore.

    If they released an expansion that augmented the regular game to include 3 more areas an a tonne more story elements with diaries before the riots/downfall and stuff during I would be all over that.

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  • GdiguyGdiguy San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I got it for Christmas too, I'm just after the 1st Big Daddy as well. I have one question though, how careful should I be when spending Adam, is there enough to just buy stuff or should I save it for later on?

    You cannot purchase everything, but buy whatever you feel you want to play with and will match your style. If you want to play the game on hard and not use vita chambers, then you will want to get the health and Eve extension upgrades. If you just want to have fun, then grab fun shit like the bees plasmid and other fun stuff like that.

    You have enough to experiment with, but not enough to waste, if that makes any sense.

    The only caveat to this is that if you're going for the tonic collector achievement, you do somewhat have to try to buy all the tonics you can, which means you can't go too crazy upgrading health/eve every time... it's actually a lot easier now with the (3, I think?) new 1 adam downloadable tonics, but it'll still be close

    but yeah, otherwise just have fun... you won't have enough for everything, but don't feel bad about buying the insect swarm plasmid or anything like that

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  • BlackDoveBlackDove Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    BlackDove wrote: »
    I beat it on hard with no revivals. Revivals are for casual player pussies. Real men save every fifteen seconds and reload.

    Big daddies are easy once you get the "protect me big daddy" plasmid. Get one to cover you, and attack another (levels are open ended, you can take one to the other, just have to time it right so the one you're going to kill has the sister). It goes from impossible, to very possible since after the two duke it out, the remaining one with the sister will have very little HP. Time to get those armor piercing bullets to work there.

    You don't get that plasmid on the evil path. Killing BDs on hard without Vitachambers and without that plasmid is fucking hard.

    Ouch. I didn't play the evil path, I'm a stickler for lightside.

    Yeah, that's even harder then. I remember the first 4-5 big daddies when I didn't have that plasmid, were goddamn hard to beat, reloaded at least 10 times on each one.

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  • Dareth RamDareth Ram regular
    edited December 2007
    BlackDove wrote: »
    Yes, if Game of the Year is "fairly decent", then yeah, it's fairly decent.

    Shit, the Evening with Sander Cohen alone was award worthy (Fort Frolic, as others here call it).

    Game of the Year? :|

    I disagree. Vehemently.

    I liked Bioshock just fine, but I didn't find it nearly as good as some our. It does a lot of things I felt were done better in other games this year. Very linear and repetitive..

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