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Hatred of Bush, and political power. We are creating political power families.
I would. Both are manipulative and secretive while hating the press. But one doesn't help instate a political family system. I'll take that one positive.
Bush got away with what he did by snowballing the press and secrecy, he got elected largely off of a family members past history... ditto for her, neither listens to others. Clinton is rather smart, Bush was rather dumb. But the best Dems (aka Biden) have stated they won't work for her.
I see this as a disaster, and I'll help push my (currently) swing state against this.
Watch her debate, out of all the options, she's the only one that will refuse to answer a question and then throw a tantrum when called on it. At least Rummy and Cheney had the brains to dodge it and laugh, rather then get upset.
These traits will cause a repeat of the past.
Thanks.
But here is thing. To me this mass polarization and continuation is the core problem. The secrecy in government and screwing over the press is the weapon through which it is done. I'm a Democrat, thus why I'm for Obama, he is the wrench to toss into the machine from my party. But out of all the candidates Clinton will keep the cogs going more then any option from either party.... so that is the worst possible at all costs for the direction I want to take. I'll be willing to endure 4-8 more years of anything to stop the process, I'll leave my party to do that, I'll actively work and help people I don't always agree with to do that.
My priorities are different then yours, and we don't have to share them. But the vast voters for Obama, Paul, hell even Hukabee (who I hate and agree on nothing with but would vote for over Clinton) to help chuck that wrench into the gears.
I love Obama for many reasons, but the core one is change, the next is honesty. If you want both of those, voting for Clinton is the worst possible decision you can make.
So you're saying you're OK with people being bold faced liars, great.
Her policies aren't that bad. But the way she campaigns and adopts the message of the day (change in this case) and uses dirty tricks (the Gordon Brown thing in particular drove me nuts) to chop her opponents down and co-opt their support is nauseating.
But his actual advisors have admitted that she wasn't much more than a sounding board. She almost never sat in on matters of state, was never privy to some of the intelligence related things, and wasn't pressing palms or twisting arms on the hill. There is very little applicable during her tenure as first lady that puts her in a better position to live in the White House. Aside from knowing where all the bathrooms are, I suppose.
The fact that she's also standing in Obama's way is not helping to endear me to her, either. I'm not a Democrat; I feel no extreme loyalty to the party, nor an absolute responsibility to vote for the candidate they ultimately nominate.
I'm happier with more Democrats than Republicans this election year, but Hillary leaves me cold and dead inside. Additionally, I bear McCain no ill will. I certainly think he'd be competent on foreign policy, however hawkish, which would be enough for me. I could trust him, for example, not to be stupid enough to attack Iran when we're committed in Iraq.
I don't want a return to the kind of tone the Clintons seem to bring to the Washington policy game, and I'll vote for McCain to prevent that. I'll also vote for Bloomberg should the option present itself.
There's also the fact that I think having Clinton atop the Democratic ticket wouldn't bring them as strong a gain in Congress as they'd get with Obama. Coupled with the extreme animosity many Republicans feel toward Clinton, and I think we could get gridlock all over again.
Only the one with toilets. I'm sure the urinal/trough-only affairs are still a mystery to her.
How does Hillary go about "instating a political family system"? Do you think she's going to push for congress to vote on a bill favoring family members?
No kidding. There are some things about her I don't like, and I certainly favor Obama instead of her, but she's not this festering she-devil that the Republicans have painted her as. Overall, her policies aren't so bad.
Stuff can be found at her web site. I definately prefer Obama, but I won't be moving to Canada if she wins in November.
The thing is, I don't think anything in her policy or person is bad from what I know of it.
I just think that there is such a mountain of surplus Anti-Clinton bullshit on this planet that she can't possibly overcome in the General. The Republicans have the music written and ready to pull out of storage, and the press already know all the steps. And my blood pressure can't take a year of The Outlaw Shrillary Clinton and The Murder of Vince Foster
So here's hoping Nevada and South Carolina take a different view.
Oh, I don't buy her "I have the experience to get things done" spiel, but I don't write off her entire time in the White House as just not blowing Bill Clinton enough.
Of course, Clinton's now apparently kicked the "experience" mantra off the bus in favor of "change", so it may not matter after all.
100 years in Iraq is competent now?
What is actually wrong with Hillary?
I think he ought to start rolling out some more specific policy talk. That may be what turned some New Hampshire voters off of him and on to Clinton; he hasn't been terribly specific on the stump, and he may need more details now that there's more scrutiny on him.
Also, maybe he needs to take more questions, too.
Basically, I think he needs to start substantiating some of his ideas.
Frankly, I wonder if you've just bought into Obama's bullshit way too much. And yes, Obama also bullshits.
But seriously NH, you let me down.
She was a sounding board. She may have helped tweak some of the policies, but she didn't come up with any of it (aside from the healthcare fiasco) from wholecloth or in conjunction with Bill, which is what she's trying to play it up as. I wouldn't really paint Biden's wife as the perfect Senatorial candidate because Joe's a master of the Senate and she's bright.
In any case, we shouldn't be surprised at New Hampshire. We should count ourselves lucky that Ron Paul didn't win there; at least they performed better than expected on that front.
There are other states, other opportunities, but I think Obama was awesome while he lasted, which won't be much longer.
Yep. Luckily, word is that his campaign was already beginning to assemble those speeches anyway. All of the detail is there on his website and in interviews you can find online, but he's so charismatic that some older voters may be tagging him as all style and no substance.
Trying further to get inside the heads of older people, I wonder what the last 5 days would have looked like to someone who just watched the debate and the evening news.
I don't think he will, but he's the only possible option not to make me turn red should Clinton get nominated.
Most of the people I know who I've talked into voting against her regardless the option, also loved Bill, hell I love Bill.
She's the problem, not him.
According to CNN a large portion of the independents decided today who to vote for so any polls before today would have missed a pretty big group.
Insane Tax Plan Huckabee?
Insane Religious Beliefs Huckabee?
Insane Homophobe Huckabee?
A uniter?
Is there, like, a Ray Huckabee running that I haven't heard about?
What, did Brian Williams talk about her pro-tapioca agenda?
Also, screw you, New Hampshire.
I don't think she's going to be as electable as Obama in the general elections (of course, that depends on who the Republicans pick), but besides that...?
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You missed that part. Not the country, Republicans.
Poor Electability is a pretty big problem in and of itself.
Me, I think she's spent so long cynically running her political career based on polls and popularity contests that she's going to forget any actual ideology she may have once had and govern without any shred of higher purpose. Which won't make her a bad president, but it also won't allow her to accomplish anything of note. She'll be her husband with tits.
Also, I think she'll happily inherit the tendency towards executive power grab. Also, she gives me a bad case of the oogies.
Once people start running an attack ad or two his appeal will drop.
That doesn't say that the group he is uniting is the Republicans, to me. Merely that Than is asserting that he can unite more of something than the other Republican Candidates.
Regardless, given the disaffected Fiscal Conservatives who aren't hot on the whole United Church of America concept, and Huckabee's fiscal liberalness and fundie whackiness, I don't see him uniting the party any more than I see him uniting the country.
Unless we're talking united in hatred here.
But I don't think unpolled independents swung it for Hillary, it was already registered democrat women.
527 heaven
I like to think that's the case, but then I recall shit like the 1-2-3 forums and how Bush can do no wrong because he talks directly to God. Maybe you're just only talking to sane people.