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"Video Game Video Recording" or "I frapped my pants!"

HallowedFaithHallowedFaith Call me Cloud.Registered User regular
edited March 2008 in Games and Technology
Hi, I am me. You don't know me. Some say they know me because they know themselves, but that is a different me. This me however, is here to talk about recording you video game sessions, how you share them, what use you get out of them and things of that nature. This is my first G&T thread, so be gentle. :)

1. I would like to get some input from the community as a whole regarding your take on video sharing. Do you see it as the future of broadcast and entertainment? Nothing more than a fad?

2. For those of you who frequent video sharing services and even those who upload themselves, what kinds of resolution do you prefer? Obviously higher is better but what kind of video quality is acceptable to get all the enjoyment or details needed from the video you're watching?

3. For those of you who record off your consoles, what kinds of setups do you prefer? Do you need something to make it easier or faster?

I am itching for a long discussion regarding what would fit the gaming community best, because you/we are the ones that do it every day. I am very interested in the potential for tutorial based video sharing, and of course the Let's Play excitement that has been floating around. What can be accomplished with ideas to feed the entertainment described above. No plugs here, so hopefully this thread is valid and not thrown out as a being spam or something. :D

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The way I recorded my music video for RE4 (I don't think it's the best, but I really enjoyed making it) is that I used DScalar to read the video from my console to my PC, and FRAPS to record the footage.

    Make sure you have a TV in card for your computer (You can use a USB one too if you want to pick one up). The resolution I use for the game really depends on the size/length of the movie I'm making. My music video was about 2-3 minutes long, and I compressed it down to about 30MB, at 640x480 resolution.

    http://www.doom9.org/ is a great place to get information/software on capturing video and other video editing software (for free).

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  • NarianNarian Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    How good are USB Video Capture devices? Are there any "best" models out there?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Really if you look on the box they would normally tell you their max resolution that they input. Crappy ones do (max) 320x whatever, so make sure you get one that has about 800x600. I'll see if I can find an example for you... Give me a moment.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Pinnacle Studio Movie Box USB2.0
    vs
    Dazzle

    First thing you look at (since the website doesn't have the resolutions set) is the total number of video formats it records into. The first one does more than the 2nd, so the first one will (probably, 80% chance) output in a higher resolution.

    But really there's not much of a difference between USB and PCI capture devices. Not that I know of at least... Thanks to USB2.0

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Hmmm. Now that I think about it, that top one is looking mighty tempting for me. It outputs to almost any video format known (including HD-DVD).

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  • HallowedFaithHallowedFaith Call me Cloud. Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Is there a standard format you guys compress as? Or when you upload to Youtube and things of that nature, do you just expect the service to format it for you. Do you prepare for the host to format it, or do you format it in preparation of the sharing host you upload to?

    My long term goal is to try and develop a medium. I have several methods for reducing the bandwidth of a video sharing service by nearly 60% - which at the end of the day means bigger files, better quality, at an overall much cheaper cost. Before even attempting to reach this goal a lot of things need to be understood and developed in order to really nail down a service that is more than enough for the average gamer, and those who aren't. I like the idea that a service of quality can be a window for non-gamers and bring them over to the fun.

    Let's Play is fantastic. So much more to it than recording and commentary. The idea that you can really deliver a video game like a movie, is very appealing. I think it can really bridge the gap in alot of areas, especially for those who are uninterested in a specific genre, they can see a game they didn't know about and go play it, falling in love with it for the first time.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Well my videos are usually compressed into the .avi format, but it really depends on what site I put my video on. Youtube? It doesn't matter. At all. The quality will be crap regardless.

    But places like motiono have a higher quality player, so I'll probably do a mpg file. I'm pretty amateur when it comes to my file formats though. I just choose one that fits the situation I'm in.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I've never heard of USB capture before. That's really neat, I might be able to record some stuff after all.

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  • freakish lightfreakish light butterdick jones and his heavenly asshole machineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    How does the USB capture thing connect all the pieces? I'm having a hard time visualizing it in my head.

    One end, presumably, goes into a USB port. Is there another connector that goes to the TV / other video source? What if you were trying to record what was happening on your PC monitor? Does it work like that?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kind of off-topic but I remember back in ye olde 16-bit times recording myself playing games on VHS tapes sometimes if it was something where something awesome might happen like an amazing play in Madden or to study a level like in Warsong to better play it.

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  • ArikadoArikado Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I bought Fraps a while back and I experimented with some RTS game recording (Civ, C&C, Starcraft, Warcraft, etc) just to show off to some friends. I didn't bother with it during my WoW phases as much as others did.

    And I learned the hard way that YouTube pretty much makes any video you post look like total ass. I'm still trying to find decent sites to drop my videos on, what with all this Audiosurfing going on.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    How does the USB capture thing connect all the pieces? I'm having a hard time visualizing it in my head.

    One end, presumably, goes into a USB port. Is there another connector that goes to the TV / other video source? What if you were trying to record what was happening on your PC monitor? Does it work like that?

    One end goes into the USB port on your computer, and that cord goes into the USB box. The USB box has component/composite/s-video ports on it to plug whatever you plug into it.

    Then you use a program (like DScalar) to view the signal that's being put into your computer, and then use a program like FRAPS to record it.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    How much is DSCalar?

    I assume you could also just use the USB thing to watch DVDs/play games on your PC monitor normally?

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  • freakish lightfreakish light butterdick jones and his heavenly asshole machineRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Rami wrote: »
    How much is DSCalar?

    I assume you could also just use the USB thing to watch DVDs/play games on your PC monitor normally?

    It's free, open source software. Here is the SourceForge page.

    Essentially it lets you use your PC monitor as your TV is what I'm getting, and anything you could play on your TV you can play through this thing for recording. Pretty neat. Too bad the good ones are moderately expensive (for my budget).

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  • CZroeCZroe Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I want to know how GameTrailers captures in HD. I also want to know how I can capture RGB and 480p component.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I have a PyroAV Firewire-based Analog to DV converter, but I can't use it because my computer is too slow.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    While we're on the subject of recording, what're the good methods to add commentary? I've got a little GameBridge, and I've wanted to do various videos and such for a while, but I'd rather not have to manually sync things up with multiple apps and such. So what are my options?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    yalborap wrote: »
    While we're on the subject of recording, what're the good methods to add commentary? I've got a little GameBridge, and I've wanted to do various videos and such for a while, but I'd rather not have to manually sync things up with multiple apps and such. So what are my options?

    You could try using Audacity to record what you say in the mic while you're playing the game.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    While we're on the subject of recording, what're the good methods to add commentary? I've got a little GameBridge, and I've wanted to do various videos and such for a while, but I'd rather not have to manually sync things up with multiple apps and such. So what are my options?

    You could try using Audacity to record what you say in the mic while you're playing the game.

    The issue with that method is two-fold:

    One, it means that I have to sync the two up.

    And TWO, it means that if either app starts losing frames/whatever-the-equivalent-to-frames-is, my sync is shot.

    So I need a hardware solution, ideally. Would anyone know if I could just take one of those cables with RCA plugs on one end and a headphone jack on the other and just use it to hook up a standard computer mic to one of the GameBridge's audio inputs?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    urahonky wrote: »

    Not quite. That has a headphone PLUG on the end, I'm talking one with a headphone JACK. Where one would plug in a headset or speakers or headphones or something.

    I actually have such a cable lying around, but I lack a headset, so I can't really test it myself.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ahhh okay I see what you mean now, sorry about that.

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  • CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'd like to hear more about HallowedFaith's "VidjaGames".

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2008
    Arikado wrote: »
    And I learned the hard way that YouTube pretty much makes any video you post look like total ass. I'm still trying to find decent sites to drop my videos on, what with all this Audiosurfing going on.

    Stage6 was great. They also just died due to corporate stupidity.

    I have trouble with Fraps just not recording any sound whatsoever. :|

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Set fraps to record 'what you hear' and it will always capture some sound. just be careful you dont have like windows warning sounds up all over the place or msn or something.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Set fraps to record 'what you hear' and it will always capture some sound. just be careful you dont have like windows warning sounds up all over the place or msn or something.

    Nope. Never works.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    hmm. do you have a sound card or use motherboard audio?

    you do have the full version right? demo fraps doesnt record audio

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  • RichardTauberRichardTauber Kvlt Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Op smells like a market researcher.

    How did the old magazines take pictures of gameboy games? Did they only use the ones provided by the distributor or did they have some crazy tv-setup?

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2008
    Op smells like a market researcher.

    I wish people would stop posting stupid shit like this without any facts whatsoever. Yeah, market researchers registered in 2006 only to start shilling now, 500 posts later. Right.

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  • RichardTauberRichardTauber Kvlt Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    Op smells like a market researcher.

    I wish people would stop posting stupid shit like this without any facts whatsoever. Yeah, market researchers registered in 2006 only to start shilling now, 500 posts later. Right.

    I wish mods would stop commentating on the worthless part of the post.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2008
    Well, I guess I could start throwing infractions with the comments instead.

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  • CentipeedCentipeed Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    How did the old magazines take pictures of gameboy games? Did they only use the ones provided by the distributor or did they have some crazy tv-setup?

    I know that there are tools available to capture video and screens from games on handhelds. At least, I know there is one available for the DS, but that is "not available to the general public".

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2008
    They had way overpriced versions of the Gamecube GBA player -- a GBA/DS in a box that could output to a TV or computer screen for easy capturing.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    I have trouble with Fraps just not recording any sound whatsoever. :|

    I've had this problem with everything I've tried on ScummVM.

    Video? No problem at all.

    Sound though? Nothing goddamn works. I've tried Fraps, Camstudio and Camtasia and couldn't get sound on any of them. Fraps just out and out won't register ScummVM as the program I want to record.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2008
    Fraps detects "Stereo Mix" as the best sound source, but I get nothing whatsoever on it. I've tried manually setting it to all other sound sources, but either I still get nothing, or me breathing in the microphone. :P

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Just patch your audio out to audio in and record that.

    That always works.

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  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    What would be the easiest way to record video from a PS3? I really don't want to go for the 'camera pointed at TV' route.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Reznik wrote: »
    What would be the easiest way to record video from a PS3? I really don't want to go for the 'camera pointed at TV' route.

    Video capture card in your PC with HDMI input.

    they arent cheap though.


    A budget alternative is using a dvd recorder to manually record everything on your tv, then transferring the video to your pc for edit later in final cut or premiere or whatever. thats what i used to do.

    dvd recorders arent cheap either but are cheaper.

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  • TVs_FrankTVs_Frank Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Kelor wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    I have trouble with Fraps just not recording any sound whatsoever. :|

    I've had this problem with everything I've tried on ScummVM.

    Video? No problem at all.

    Sound though? Nothing goddamn works. I've tried Fraps, Camstudio and Camtasia and couldn't get sound on any of them. Fraps just out and out won't register ScummVM as the program I want to record.

    You could try loading the original DOS versions up in DOSBox and see if it'll record from there.

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  • RandomEngyRandomEngy Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    In Source games they have built-in video capture which can give you gorgeous results. I wrote a detailed guide on how to capture flawless HD video in TF2 no matter how crappy your computer is:

    http://randomengy.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8B38CD68272195C!198.entry

    As the guide mentions I like to use bittorrent for distribution. Since I'm on 15 mb upload FiOS I can just stick a few public trackers on a torrent and seed the file myself.

    I think youtube is the bane of game videos. It amazes me that over the last 3 years the average quality of video on the internet has declined.

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