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Passover Coke 2008/Corn syrup is evil

deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
I know some people get all jazzed about this, but most people seem to forget.

Anyhow, Coke is (in some places) using real sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup. This makes it taste better, and makes it slightly less awful for you. It's the one time of year I'll actually consider picking up a Coke.

edit: Last year's thread:
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=18290

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    They sell MexiCoke (which is the same thing) in Costco, now, year-round.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    So is there any evidence that high-fructose corn syrup is worse for you than an equal amount of cane sugar?

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    They sell Dr Pepper around here made with sugar instead of the high-fructose corn syrup. I still feel it's beyond dumb to use that instead of sugar in the US

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hachface wrote: »
    So is there any evidence that high-fructose corn syrup is worse for you than an equal amount of cane sugar?

    HFC has a slightly higher amount of the shittier form of sugar in it or somesuch, making it slightly less filling than other forms of sugar. I'm not sure what the issue is beyond that and the taste.

    Also fuck corn.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hachface wrote: »
    So is there any evidence that high-fructose corn syrup is worse for you than an equal amount of cane sugar?

    From what I've heard the body knows how much cane sugar its supposed to eat, but not how much HFCS. Therefore, the body will send a signal to stop drinking something with sugar, but not something with HFCS.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hachface wrote: »
    So is there any evidence that high-fructose corn syrup is worse for you than an equal amount of cane sugar?

    From what I've heard the body knows how much cane sugar its supposed to eat, but not how much HFCS. Therefore, the body will send a signal to stop drinking something with sugar, but not something with HFCS.
    Sugar causes your body to produce a chemical that tells you you're "full". HFC does not cause the body to produce this chemical.

    :edit: Your pancreas also doesn't process HFC the same way it does sugar.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    They sell MexiCoke (which is the same thing) in Costco, now, year-round.

    That's slowly converting over to HFCS too. Only a certain size of the bottles is made with sugar now.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    OP is lacking. How am I to know which ones have sugar and which ones have cancer?

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    By drinking water instead of diabetes.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    OP is lacking. How am I to know which ones have sugar and which ones have cancer?

    Everything ever invented by mankind will give you cancer in proper doses.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    OP is lacking. How am I to know which ones have sugar and which ones have cancer?
    The Passover Coke has a yellow cap with Hebrew on it. It's also only available in cities with large Jewish populations.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    Well, specifically, what am I looking for when I want the sugar Coke? I don't drink Coke that much, but if it tastes better it must taste glorious.

    Edit: Atlanta, here I come.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    OP is lacking. How am I to know which ones have sugar and which ones have cancer?
    The Passover Coke has a yellow cap with Hebrew on it. It's also only available in cities with large Jewish populations.
    We lack Jews :(

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    OP is lacking. How am I to know which ones have sugar and which ones have cancer?
    The Passover Coke has a yellow cap with Hebrew on it. It's also only available in cities with large Jewish populations.
    We lack Jews :(
    So, would Passover Coke be considered a Jewish solution?

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  • TaximesTaximes Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    They sell MexiCoke (which is the same thing) in Costco, now, year-round.

    I was telling someone about Passover Coke the other day, as well as MexiCoke.

    Then, I realized that I know why Passover Coke has sugar in it, but why does Mexican Coke?

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Taximes wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    They sell MexiCoke (which is the same thing) in Costco, now, year-round.

    I was telling someone about Passover Coke the other day, as well as MexiCoke.

    Then, I realized that I know why Passover Coke has sugar in it, but why does Mexican Coke?

    Mexico doesn't subsidize the fuck out of their corn industry, artificially deflating the cost of corn to the point where corn syrup is cheaper than real sugar.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Taximes wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    They sell MexiCoke (which is the same thing) in Costco, now, year-round.

    I was telling someone about Passover Coke the other day, as well as MexiCoke.

    Then, I realized that I know why Passover Coke has sugar in it, but why does Mexican Coke?
    Because the corn producers dumped tons of money into the government. That's basically it.

    From wiki:
    The preference for high-fructose corn syrup over cane sugar among the vast majority of American food and beverage manufacturers is largely due to U.S. import quotas and tariffs on sugar. These tariffs significantly increase the domestic U.S. price for sugar, forcing Americans to pay more than twice the world price for sugar, thus making high-fructose corn syrup an attractive substitute in U.S. markets. For instance, soft drink makers like Coca-Cola use sugar in other nations, but use high-fructose corn syrup in their U.S. and Canadian products.

    Large corporations, such as Archer Daniels Midland, lobby for the continuation of these subsidies.[16] Since local and federal laws often put a limit on how much money one particular lobbyist can contribute,[17] ADM's contributions are often given by numerous smaller entities under the authority of ADM. This is commonly called bundling political contributions.

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  • seasleepyseasleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    From wiki:
    <snip>
    For instance, soft drink makers like Coca-Cola use sugar in other nations, but use high-fructose corn syrup in their U.S. and Canadian products.
    Huh. I was under the impression that sodas up here didn't have HFCS in them, and the Coke can I have sitting here has the second ingredient listed as "sugar/glucose-fructose." It certainly tastes different than it does in the states. Initial googling is inconclusive, with some places claiming it's a weasel phrase for either HFCS or some other corn-derived sweetener (this seems rather authoritative), other places claiming it's made with either beet or cane sugar. In any case, it seems like my impression is rather widely held even if it may not be accurate.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Well, specifically, what am I looking for when I want the sugar Coke? I don't drink Coke that much, but if it tastes better it must taste glorious.

    Edit: Atlanta, here I come.
    It'll say Kosher for Passover and instead of Corn Syrup on the ingredients list it will say Sugar or Sucrose

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    seasleepy wrote: »
    From wiki:
    <snip>
    For instance, soft drink makers like Coca-Cola use sugar in other nations, but use high-fructose corn syrup in their U.S. and Canadian products.
    Huh. I was under the impression that sodas up here didn't have HFCS in them, and the Coke can I have sitting here has the second ingredient listed as "sugar/glucose-fructose." It certainly tastes different than it does in the states. Initial googling is inconclusive, with some places claiming it's a weasel phrase for either HFCS or some other corn-derived sweetener (this seems rather authoritative), other places claiming it's made with either beet or cane sugar. In any case, it seems like my impression is rather widely held even if it may not be accurate.
    HFC is a mix of glucose and fructose, usually 45/55 or 50/50. Sugar itself is a molecule of glucose and fructose, but they're weakly bonded, and the body responds to natural sugar by breaking it into its components.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    Hachface wrote: »
    Taximes wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    They sell MexiCoke (which is the same thing) in Costco, now, year-round.

    I was telling someone about Passover Coke the other day, as well as MexiCoke.

    Then, I realized that I know why Passover Coke has sugar in it, but why does Mexican Coke?

    Mexico doesn't subsidize the fuck out of their corn industry, artificially deflating the cost of corn to the point where corn syrup is cheaper than real sugar.

    Actually it's more like sugar is overpriced in order to protect Hawaii (originally).

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Shit I dunno if we got enough Jews in Iowa for me to find this stuff here. Real sugar soda be delicious.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Shit I dunno if we got enough Jews in Iowa for me to find this stuff here. Real sugar soda be delicious.
    Pfft, Iowa's part of the reason we're stuck with HFCS in everything. Thanks a lot, corn grower.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Shit I dunno if we got enough Jews in Iowa for me to find this stuff here. Real sugar soda be delicious.
    Pfft, Iowa's part of the reason we're stuck with HFCS in everything. Thanks a lot, corn grower.

    Write your congressperson to lobby for more ethanol-gasoline mixtures, and that'll mean less corn for HFC.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Shit I dunno if we got enough Jews in Iowa for me to find this stuff here. Real sugar soda be delicious.
    Pfft, Iowa's part of the reason we're stuck with HFCS in everything. Thanks a lot, corn grower.

    Write your congressperson to lobby for more ethanol-gasoline mixtures, and that'll mean less corn for HFC.
    I work in a bakery. More corn for ethanol is why flour is $25 per 50 pound bag now, when it was about $9 a year ago.

    Corn is the devil.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Shit I dunno if we got enough Jews in Iowa for me to find this stuff here. Real sugar soda be delicious.
    Pfft, Iowa's part of the reason we're stuck with HFCS in everything. Thanks a lot, corn grower.

    Write your congressperson to lobby for more ethanol-gasoline mixtures, and that'll mean less corn for HFC.
    It'll just make everything more expensive.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Shit I dunno if we got enough Jews in Iowa for me to find this stuff here. Real sugar soda be delicious.
    Pfft, Iowa's part of the reason we're stuck with HFCS in everything. Thanks a lot, corn grower.

    Write your congressperson to lobby for more ethanol-gasoline mixtures, and that'll mean less corn for HFC.

    And more for useless biolfuel!

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    A lot of the corn is exported... seriously, over here in Nebraska there's like two total gas stations that you can buy E85 at.

    Iowa isn't sharing the love.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Shit I dunno if we got enough Jews in Iowa for me to find this stuff here. Real sugar soda be delicious.
    Pfft, Iowa's part of the reason we're stuck with HFCS in everything. Thanks a lot, corn grower.

    Write your congressperson to lobby for more ethanol-gasoline mixtures, and that'll mean less corn for HFC.

    Actually, we're eschewing wheat to grow corn to meet the ethanol demand. I doubt it would have a huge impact on HFCS sales.

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  • seasleepyseasleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    seasleepy wrote: »
    From wiki:
    <snip>
    For instance, soft drink makers like Coca-Cola use sugar in other nations, but use high-fructose corn syrup in their U.S. and Canadian products.
    Huh. I was under the impression that sodas up here didn't have HFCS in them, and the Coke can I have sitting here has the second ingredient listed as "sugar/glucose-fructose." It certainly tastes different than it does in the states. Initial googling is inconclusive, with some places claiming it's a weasel phrase for either HFCS or some other corn-derived sweetener (this seems rather authoritative), other places claiming it's made with either beet or cane sugar. In any case, it seems like my impression is rather widely held even if it may not be accurate.
    HFC is a mix of glucose and fructose, usually 45/55 or 50/50. Sugar itself is a molecule of glucose and fructose, but they're weakly bonded, and the body responds to natural sugar by breaking it into its components.
    Yeah, I finally found something official about it. It looks like pretty much glucose-fructose does mean HFCS in Canada, but "sugar/glucose-fructose" means "sugar and/or HFCS" (and is thus rather useless from a consumer point of view). My guess is it probably is sugar, but they're covering their asses in case sugar gets more expensive regionally or something.

    On topic: last year, I saw Passover Coke in a mid-sized town in the middle of Texas (not a particularly large Jewish population), so don't immediately assume you won't be able to find it wherever you are. (On the other hand, HEB has pretty great selection in general, so it might have just been them being awesome.)

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    seasleepy wrote: »
    seasleepy wrote: »
    From wiki:
    <snip>
    For instance, soft drink makers like Coca-Cola use sugar in other nations, but use high-fructose corn syrup in their U.S. and Canadian products.
    Huh. I was under the impression that sodas up here didn't have HFCS in them, and the Coke can I have sitting here has the second ingredient listed as "sugar/glucose-fructose." It certainly tastes different than it does in the states. Initial googling is inconclusive, with some places claiming it's a weasel phrase for either HFCS or some other corn-derived sweetener (this seems rather authoritative), other places claiming it's made with either beet or cane sugar. In any case, it seems like my impression is rather widely held even if it may not be accurate.
    HFC is a mix of glucose and fructose, usually 45/55 or 50/50. Sugar itself is a molecule of glucose and fructose, but they're weakly bonded, and the body responds to natural sugar by breaking it into its components.
    Yeah, I finally found something official about it. It looks like pretty much glucose-fructose does mean HFCS in Canada, but "sugar/glucose-fructose" means "sugar and/or HFCS" (and is thus rather useless from a consumer point of view). My guess is it probably is sugar, but they're covering their asses in case sugar gets more expensive regionally or something.

    On topic: last year, I saw Passover Coke in a mid-sized town in the middle of Texas (not a particularly large Jewish population), so don't immediately assume you won't be able to find it wherever you are. (On the other hand, HEB has pretty great selection in general, so it might have just been them being awesome.)
    I've kept an eye out, but I haven't seen any. The specials and stock rotate over tonight at my supermarket, so I'll probably go shopping in a few days and see if any is around.

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  • WoodroezWoodroez Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Is there a reason Jones hasn't been mentioned here?

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Woodroez wrote: »
    Is there a reason Jones hasn't been mentioned here?

    I've been meaning to ask, what's the difference between cane sugar and inverted cane sugar? Because that's what Jones Soda has listed on their bottles (at least for the root beer).

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Gim wrote: »
    Woodroez wrote: »
    Is there a reason Jones hasn't been mentioned here?

    I've been meaning to ask, what's the difference between cane sugar and inverted cane sugar? Because that's what Jones Soda has listed on their bottles (at least for the root beer).

    Wouldn't surprise me if it was high fructose cane syrup. :P

    I know they have high fructose rice syrup.

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    In November 2006, Jones Soda announced that the company would be transitioning to use pure cane sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) in its products. On January 22, 2007, Jones Pure Cane Soda was launched in 12 ounce cans. This would be unique in the carbonated soft drink category compared to other national brands that are sweetened with corn syrup. By April 2007, all of the company's products switched to cane sugar, except for its energy drinks, which changed that fall.[1] As of March 2007, a 12 ounce bottle of Jones Pure Cane Soda Root Beer lists in its ingredients "inverted cane sugar", also known as Inverted sugar syrup, which, like HFCS, is a mixture of fructose and glucose.
    Inverted sugar syrup is a sucrose-based syrup produced with the glycoside hydrolase enzyme invertase or an acid, which splits each sucrose disaccharide molecule into its component glucose and fructose monomer molecules; one of each. In practical terms measured on equivalent dissolved weights invert syrups are sweeter than sucrose solutions. However invert sugar is 85% the sweetness of an equivalent concentration of sucrose solution; inverting a disaccharide effectively doubles the concentration of sugar molecules.[1] Invert sugar's glucose is substantially more hygroscopic than sucrose, so it lends longer lasting moistness to products than when sucrose is used alone. It is likewise less prone to crystallization and valued especially by bakers, who refer to inverted sugar syrup as trimoline or invert syrup.
    I...don't really know what that means.

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  • WoodroezWoodroez Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I think it means "low-to-moderate fructose corn syrup," maybe?

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    This is why I drink water most of the time.

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  • WoodroezWoodroez Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    After 38 posts, I'm convinced. Holla at your wa-wa.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Gim wrote: »
    I...don't really know what that means.

    It's basically the same as corn syrup.

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Gim wrote: »
    I...don't really know what that means.

    It's basically the same as corn syrup.

    That's what I figured.

    Fuckers. Although I guess that's why I wasn't all that hot on their root beer. I just really enjoy drinking cold soda out of a glass bottle. One of the nicer experiences in life.

    I really need to order me a case of Dublin Dr. Pepper.

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