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Text messaging, and the spying thereof.

anonywhoanonywho Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
Long story short, my girlfriend's parents want to spy on her texts and see what she sent, I didn't think that's possible, is it? (we both have verizon)

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Uh... why?

    If she's eighteen, I don't believe they can legally do that.

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  • anonywhoanonywho Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    She's not.

    EDIT: and no I'm not a minor, and no we're not fucking.

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  • Susan DelgadoSusan Delgado Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    If it *is* possible to get the content of the messages from the carrier...I imagine they could if the account is in their name and they're paying the bills.

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  • musanmanmusanman Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Is she sending things her parents would be upset about.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    musanman wrote: »
    Is she sending things her parents would be upset about.

    I think that's not the issue here... it's really a privacy issue, as well as a technical question about if that's possible.

    I do believe if she's under their account that they can get their hands on that info potentially from the provider themselves.

    There's a big "OUGHT" they to do that... but something tells me you're in no position to talk to them about trust issues. =(

    Tell your girlfriend that anything she wouldn't want them to hear needs to go through another avenue... or... I wonder if you can use RSA encryption over text messaging? Might be a bigger pain in the butt than it's worth.

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  • anonywhoanonywho Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Yeah it wouldn't be too good if her parents find them. Well the bill isn't under their name but they do pay for it.

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  • Seaborn111Seaborn111 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    just to calm nerves a bit, verizon has the capability to look up the number texts were sent to, but once the actual "message" is sent, it only remains on the servers for about 10 hours or so.


    This is directly from the horses mouth, im digging right now for the quote. I read about it because AT&T keeps theirs for three days and it pissed a whole lot of people off. Verizon was like 10 hours, sprint was like...8 minutes. tmobile was 0 minutes. all these times are "once delivered" times.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    If they can get to those messages through their provider, the damage has already been done. Whatever it was she was hiding, she'll want to prepare herself for having to address the issue with her folks.

    From there, some decisions need to be made:

    1) Should she stay on the phone plan, given that her parents find it okay to spy on her private messages.

    2) If she stays on the plan, should she consider not using her cell phone for anything resembling private or sensitive conversations.

    If the answer to (1) is no, then the answer to (2) should most certainly be YES.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Seaborn111 wrote: »
    just to calm nerves a bit, verizon has the capability to look up the number texts were sent to, but once the actual "message" is sent, it only remains on the servers for about 10 hours or so.


    This is directly from the horses mouth, im digging right now for the quote. I read about it because AT&T keeps theirs for three days and it pissed a whole lot of people off. Verizon was like 10 hours, sprint was like...8 minutes. tmobile was 0 minutes. all these times are "once delivered" times.

    Oh, that is a heartening bit of information at least. I'd have figured that they'd keep all that info.

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  • StaxeonStaxeon Buffalo, NYRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Considering the number of texts that go around, I can't imagine any carrier investing the hardware into logging and retaining all of those messages for any real significant amount of time.

    On her phone on the other hand...I know if I delete my txts they're still in a trash folder until I delete them from there too. I'd be more concerned with them grabbing her phone.

    Parents tend to say they will do things in grand imposing ways, but in the end they spin it and do it in a simple way you never saw coming. Ah misdirection.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I don't know, storage space is cheap... real cheap. And I know the Feds push the phone companies to keep and send them data (warrantless wiretap program etc...)... I could definitely believe that they'd keep the text message itself. I'm certainly glad that they don't (because that'd be lame), but if it turned out that they did I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised.

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  • anonywhoanonywho Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The idea of the phone company keeping every text that goes around sounded ridiculous, but then again you never know what can go on with the PATRIOT act.

    Well as I said, her parents can not change anything regarding the plan since it's not in their name, it's in her brother's name, they just pay it. I think 10 hours is good enough though.

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  • Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    just make up code its more fun anyway

    Parents = Canadians
    Snogging = snorkeling


    So I Hate my parents and I cant wait to snog with you would be

    I hate Canadians and I cant wait to go snorkeling again

    YEAH let her parents figure that one out!!!

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  • W2W2 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Limp moose wrote: »
    just make up code its more fun anyway

    Parents = Canadians
    Snogging = snorkeling


    So I Hate my parents and I cant wait to snog with you would be

    I hate Canadians and I cant wait to go snorkeling again

    YEAH let her parents figure that one out!!!

    My parents, at least, are by and large pretty clever. I doubt that'd fool anyone for very long.

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  • Penguin_OtakuPenguin_Otaku Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I think they keep them longer than that amount of time. I mean, even though billions of text messages are sent every day, thats a few kbs here and there.

    I know this girl who was "raped" back in my hometown. Made a big elaborate sob story about it, even though she put herself in the situation and had been known to be talking to this guy in a suggestive way. She was a big "Christian" girl so the fact she lost her virginity scared the piss out of her and she cried wolf.

    Investigation went on, cops pulled text message records from Cingular (at the time) which was definitely not 3 days later. Turns out that she sent the guy a text the next day and said, "Meet me in a field somewhere" which of course suggests she wanted his wang inside her again and the case was thrown out.

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  • variantvariant Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    From my friend's experience with a stalker the phone company doesn't have much shit at all, she had to bug the hell out of Cingular to even get a list that just showed when the messages and calls were received and it didn't even have the withheld phone#s, so pretty useless all in all.

    Edit: I guess cops can...

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I can assure you they keep them for a while but parents won't get them without a court order. Its hard for even law enforcement to get them. That being said the phone being in her brothers name takes away a lot of the rights of the parents assuming he's over the age of 18.

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  • enderwiggin13enderwiggin13 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Limp moose wrote: »
    just make up code its more fun anyway

    Parents = Canadians
    Snogging = snorkeling


    So I Hate my parents and I cant wait to snog with you would be

    I hate Canadians and I cant wait to go snorkeling again

    YEAH let her parents figure that one out!!!

    I think anyone could figure that one out...maybe if the euphemism chosen wasn't so easily imagined as something sexual. Many years ago when I was in high school, my girlfriend and I referred to it as "Saving the whales" cause it started during a cooperative boardgame my hippy mother bought me called "Save the Whales"

    http://www.cooperativegames.com/1002_childrens_board_games.html

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    Yeah, I would think this would come under confidential client information. If anybody, even family, could easily get hold of private communications via the cell company willingly giving it out there'd have been all hell to pay already. The only people who are going to be able to legitimately wrest that information from the cell companies grip are law enforcement or the courts.

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  • BeenieWeenieBeenieWeenie So Delicious So NutritiousRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Unless your girlfriend has detail billing. I'm not entirely sure if that's a Cingular (err... AT&T) only thing but detail billing shows every text message and like the first 10 characters or so. It can be enough to suggest what the message content was about.

    Just something to be aware of.

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  • anonywhoanonywho Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Yeah he's over 18, well I guess cops could get them for cases like that but on a daily basis I don't think many people request to get that. I guess I'm just being a little paranoid.

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  • BeenieWeenieBeenieWeenie So Delicious So NutritiousRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    My parents always had detail billing before I got married and got my own plan... i had to watch what i said for the first few letters of every text =-)

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