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I Hate Final Fantasy VIII, but love it so!
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http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=HNefNLOHVYk
No. I do all those things and still think the draw system was a load of crap. YET I STILL DID IT WITH THE DRAW SYSTEM THE ONLY TIME I PLAYED THE GAME/ Insane? Maybe.
Huh, whaddaya know. That song still makes me want to cut my ears off.
when I was a young lad, I used to start new games in FF8 all the time, just to watch the opening cinematic over and over and over.
Count me in.
There are exactly two types of people in this world. People who think that song is sweet and those that want to kill themselves every time they hear it. Find out which one you are today!
Cards were my source of magic.
I used magic freely too.
It was set up so that I had a main attacker (usually Squall) who I hit attack with, a magic user/healer, and a middle-of-the road guy who could do both.
I think the song is okay, but what really marred it for me is the fact that it's supposed to be an actual character singing. To me, that song heralded the beginning of the end for console-based JRPGs that relied solely on text. See, if someone is telling a big, intricate story, I do NOT want to listen to them for an hour. 9 out of 10 times these days, JRPG voice acting is garbage and it ruins the story. If they took all that space set aside for cruddy voice acting and used all text instead, truly epic stories would become the mainstay again. Instead we get "200+ hours of gameplay!" games which are 90% stupid sidequests and grinding with a main story that's possibly 20-25 hours.
I should point out that I love Lost Odyssey for the simple reasons that the VA work is pretty decent, but some of the best bits are done with text. It strikes a great balance between quality and quantity.
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And it wasn't even a good insane, the last bit made no sense and even the characters were confused. The whole moon, giant floating pillar of awesome bit, though? I loved that. So hard.
SO HARD.
IX also went off the deep end, but oddly enough X refrained from that. Sure, there were a couple plot twists, but they were pretty tame in comparison to the crap that they pulled in IX.
(I liked IX, but good god some of that was random.)
See, the problem with that is outside of Japan, most people don't speak Japanese. I also personally do not find that natural Japanese speakers emote their lines in a way that synchs with my Western tastes. In fact, Japanese itself is somewhat aggravating to me when I have to listen to it for any length of time.
Basically, the Japanese voice option in JRPGs is worse than useless to me because it just irritates me. On top of that, if a dev can't get across the mood of situation without relying on voices, I feel their being lazy anyway. I'd rather voices get cut out of lengthy stories entirely instead of having to choose between a language I have no clue about with subtitles or cut-rate voice acting in my native language.
I remember when I first got VIII how sorely tempted I was to import a pocketstation for Chocobo's world and those GF items.
First time I've heard that one, though I agree with the latter. It's sad how some people feel that voice acting is necessary in games nowadays
For its time, FFVII was a phenomenal game. Well designed, well written, it raised the bar to another level. To me, it was the first true Video game Epic.
I doubt I would love Final Fantasy 7 as much as I do if some jackasses were trying to speak some of Barret/Cid's lines throughout the game. Much less the sissy voices they gave Cloud and Sephiroth in AC. It applies to any of the games. The dialog is translated badly. Or it's written poorly, but I haven't played through the Japanese games, and I don't speak japanese. It's tolerable to our eyes, but not to our ears. Tidus' voice still wakes me up in the night with a cold sweat. Good lord, think of our ears.
It's kinda like saying the other two SNES FFs are better than V. It doesn't make V bad per se, just IV and VI were better.
Games
Before Crisis
Dirge of Cerberus
Crisis Core*
Films
Last Order
Advent Children
Adulation
My shining recommendation*
*Really fucking good
FF 8 + 9 has spawned:
Xenogears of Bore lurking like a cave troll under the bridge of FF7's brilliance.
Who wins?
Except that it's pretty tough to prove FFIX or FFVIII is better than FFVII. I thought the overall world and the soundtrack of 8 was vastly superior to 9 while 7 had a much better atmosphere and much more involved and cohesive plot than 9. Plus, I thought 9 was a big step back in terms of character design because they had the option of realistically proportioned, detailed characters, but instead went with something that just looked stupid the whole game. Basically, the other two games had superior versions of what I liked while 9 focused on stuff I thought was boring.
Seriously, this is the internet. Just because you claim something is better doesn't mean it is.
the guy who does janson's voice is basically the single bestest part of the entire game
he voiced knuckles in the dreamcast sonic adventure games, and janson is basically his first thing since
it is the Trippiest Thing since I realized who he was
The ones that didn't spawn hordes of rabid fanboys that don't know what they're talking about and far too many spinoffs? (Not that liking FF7 makes you an idiot or anything, but the less than stellar fanbase that followed cannot be denied)
Seriously, though, I'd say the better game wins. Which will, ultimately, come down to personal preference.
Not the amount of related merchandise.
Anyway, hating on 7 always annoys me. Its the same shit as 6, but in 3d and with better music and worse characters. If you like one, you can't dislike the other.
And the music. The music was excellent. Not the kind of stuff that sticks in your head like Galaxy's music, but it doesn't have to.
The boss battle theme sure as hell sticks in my head, and cid's theme.
edit: fuck, I can't find my FF6/7 comparisson pic. My picture folders are horribly, horribly organized. Take my word for it, its pretty funny. Same game. Thats why they are both awesome.
I couldn't hum you a single thing from galaxy, but know pretty much bar for bar every ffvii tune by heart
A little bit of proof that perhaps 7 was a head above the bunch, and perhaps the fanbase and developers agreed upon the fact.
edit: The only real reason I ever got the key to sector 5 in my reruns was to go back to Aeris' church. That fucking song..
The best part, the spinoffs suck! You proved my point brilliantly!
Especially that trashy KH wannabe Crisis Core!
Really the only thing keeping me back from replaying much of 7 is that I already beat it and got a 100% completion. 6 I've never beaten, so I can be more motivated to start new games and then give up in the world of ruin around level 60.
As for FF8, I wish I had the PC version. Textures need help, stat.
The funny thing is, someone earlier in thread actually said 7 was the first FF that felt "epic".
I've only played 8 once. I got to Pandora Ultimate and I was just said "fuck this" and quit. I hated all the characters, I hated the plot, and I hated that card game. I have to say 8 is my least favorite FF.
I guess if its the first one you played, it would be the first FF game that felt so. o_O Which, of course, was probably the case for many. The prior games were not massively hyped. I found out about them through word of mouth.
As for 8, its not for everyone. The plot and characters are really bad. But there's alot of good stuff too.
I can like or dislike whatever I want, you aren't the boss of me.
I like all Final Fantasy games, to a point, but when you step back and observe what happens when one person finally says the word 'ubar' and somebody else praises Advent Children, you take a step back and realize that certain things really need only be appreciated so much as to keep us from ... you know, being weirdos.
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I'm not a huge fan of 8 myself, but I loved Triple Triad (the card game in FF8). In fact, it was the first FF to introduce a mini-game like this, and I sorely wished FFXII had something similar (it helps to provide a change in pace).
I ended up actually developing a version for one of my college courses years ago. It was a huge hit.
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Is someone here praising Advent Children or something?
See, as people going up against some evil, they kind of work. But making their supposed romance central to the plot for any length of time... doesn't.
'Course, if it was Laguna who became the focus I wouldn't have minded in the least. He's so adorkable. Plus, he actually uses a sensible weapon.
Finally, Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec may very well be one of the best themes ever in a FF game. Though The Man With The Machine Gun and Balamb Garden had their own charms as well.
I never did beat it.
'Oh yeah, its dead WOOHOO Finally beat the game........ZOMG WHY CAN'T YOU DIE
I gave up. It just pissed me off so much.
Oh, and this.
I don't get why you're arguing a game is superior based on the fact that it's had many many (bad) spin-offs. I like FFVII but I haven't liked a single goddamn thing Nomura has strangled out of its corpse since then. Apparently doing character designs does not equate to knowing how to do characterization.
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Okay I'll give Last Order a pass.
In before the discussion of belts, zippers, and the wearing thereof.
Though, when you look at his FF7 designs, they are rather low key. Not so much of the huge baggy, asymmetrical, zipper laden clothes on Gackt clones.