Oh, and when my 360 croaked Microsoft somehow got mine back in less than a week after I sent it in. I've heard people had worse experiences, though. YMMV.
The month long waits are over. It's back to the usual one week or so.
It only took so long before because everyone decided to take advantage of the 3 year warranty.
It took my brother's xbox 360 two and a half months to return, he is now terrified to turn it on for more than 15 minutes.
Bumping with an update: The good lads at CheapAssGamer, who broke the PS3 price drop last year, have indeed confirmed that Circuit City and Target ads have the 360 Premium listed at $300 for the week of July 13. This is added to the Best Buy, KMart and Radio Shack ads carrying it for the same price that week. And if you buy at Target, you also get a $25 gift card!
I guess we know what Microsoft's E3 conference capper is going to be. I'm still not convinced of the purported new 60GB 360 model, but stranger things have happened.
It makes sense in that it let's them keep the price high, retain their margins, whilst seemingly offering better value.
Seriously, I'd already have a 360 if I were convinced that the system's hardware was as reliable as the PS3 or Wii's. The whole RROD thing still bothers me.
Every person I've ever met that owns a 360 (even people I don't really know that well) has had theirs die at least once.
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edited July 2008
My 360 from two and a half years ago hasn\'t died or really had any problems at all.
Seriously, I'd already have a 360 if I were convinced that the system's hardware was as reliable as the PS3 or Wii's. The whole RROD thing still bothers me.
Every person I've ever met that owns a 360 (even people I don't really know that well) has had theirs die at least once.
As a counter, the majority of people I know with one haven't had any problems. That's not to say some of them haven't, but overall the quality seems to be improving with later hardware revisions.
I may just be lucky though, my launch day Wii and several year old PS2 are still going strong.
I've heard fairly reliable rumors from multiple sources that this is a temporary price cut, ala the Playstation 3 with its last round of SKUs, but we'll see.
Seriously, I'd already have a 360 if I were convinced that the system's hardware was as reliable as the PS3 or Wii's. The whole RROD thing still bothers me.
Every person I've ever met that owns a 360 (even people I don't really know that well) has had theirs die at least once.
As a counter, the majority of people I know with one haven't had any problems. That's not to say some of them haven't, but overall the quality seems to be improving with later hardware revisions.
I may just be lucky though, my launch day Wii and several year old PS2 are still going strong.
How late in terms of hardware revisions? I got my 360 in April of '07 (for GHII) and it died in April of '08. A friend got his Halo 3 360 when they first became available and his died about a month ago.
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Well, to continue the anecdotal evidence of nothing much, my co-worker has a launch 360 that still works fine. I've had mine since Christmas and it's fine. And when I bought Mass Effect I did a couple of 8 hour marathon sessions, because goddamn.
Rock Band with friends, too. In fact, out of everyone I even vaguely know who has a 360, only one had the RRoD happen.
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My 360 from two and a half years ago hasn\'t died or really had any problems at all.
Same here... I have a launch unit that still runs great. Doesn't mean I'm not tempted to run it covered in a towel so I can take advantage of the warranty, but I'm also not a dick.
My 360 from two and a half years ago hasn\\\'t died or really had any problems at all.
Same here... I have a launch unit that still runs great. Doesn\'t mean I\'m not tempted to run it covered in a towel so I can take advantage of the warranty, but I\'m also not a dick.
I\'ve considered it, but it hasn\'t seemed worth the effort.
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My 360 from two and a half years ago hasn\\\'t died or really had any problems at all.
Same here... I have a launch unit that still runs great. Doesn\'t mean I\'m not tempted to run it covered in a towel so I can take advantage of the warranty, but I\'m also not a dick.
I\'ve considered it, but it hasn\'t seemed worth the effort.
My first 360 (purchased a month to the day after launch) crapped out back in August of last year. The video output died, and so I tried to get it to RRoD so I'd get it fixed for free. The towel trick didn't work for me. The fuckin' thing just shut itself off, no red ring to be found.
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That sounds annoying, to be sure.
I don\'t like the idea that I\'m using a 360 that has a significant defect that may blow at any moment, but I like even less trying to kill it, dealing with sending it back, and then having to deal with all of my downloaded stuff not working if I\'m offline.
and slash I believe if the box has the HDMI emblem on the back of it (we're talking premium edition here), then it is the new one.
There are HDMI ones that are not the newest chipset. The way to tell is by looking at the power supply - if it's 175W, it's the newer chipset, the older one is 202 or something like that. The funny part is the box may not actually match (probably because they pulled some of the older ones) - the one I bought said 202 on the box, but the unit itself was actually one with the newer chipset and 175W power supply.
and slash I believe if the box has the HDMI emblem on the back of it (we're talking premium edition here), then it is the new one.
There are HDMI ones that are not the newest chipset. The way to tell is by looking at the power supply - if it's 175W, it's the newer chipset, the older one is 202 or something like that. The funny part is the box may not actually match (probably because they pulled some of the older ones) - the one I bought said 202 on the box, but the unit itself was actually one with the newer chipset and 175W power supply.
Oish. See, now, that is confusing.
The new ones may or may not have HDMI.
And the new ones should say 175W but may or may not turn out to be the new, 175W ones when you open it.
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I have a question about the falcon chipsets. They take 175w, this I know. Thing is, I got my current 360 repaired under warranty for a busted DVD drive. It was one of the older chipsets, so it took a different power supply. I think they sent me back a Falcon, so it would need a 175w power supply. My question is, will the old power supply work with the new chipset?
If the 360 is anything like a PC with a standard power supply, then it's not a big deal that the power supply is capable of greater wattage than the system actually uses. The system will just end up using as many watts as it needs and the rest of the potential watts that the power supply could use simply go unused.
If the 360 is anything like a PC with a standard power supply, then it's not a big deal that the power supply is capable of greater wattage than the system actually uses. The system will just end up using as many watts as it needs and the rest of the potential watts that the power supply could use simply go unused.
So I would figure that it would be okay.
This is exactly what I was figuring/hoping. It's probably a given that Microsoft has taken that into account when they send someone back a Falcon who had previously owned one of the older chipsets.
My Core model has been working great, aside from a handful of DREs I've been getting (typically on Dead Rising, which sucks because the game's save system makes it the worst target for such errors) and the fact that it's as loud as a train. I secretly hope mine red-rings at some point so I can send it in for repairs before the three-year warranty ends, which for me is July 09.
For lower power uses, the capability of a more powerful brick goes unused. The extra power is never drawn from the supply. Most power supplies become less efficient as more power is drawn, so if Microsoft cheaped out on the newer low power supply, having a more powerful supply might even be a good thing as it might use less electricity and generates less heat.
I had a launch box that died last year, microsoft sent me a new one, what kind of warranty do i have on the replacement? (if any)
I believe the warranty starts from the moment you bought your xbox - so while you received a replacement, it’s only covered under the original warranty. If it red rings, you still have three years from the purchase date, but for anything else you only have that first year.
So I'm wondering still if this just applies to the Premium or if any of the savings will necessarily roll down or up to the Arcade/Elite?
Like, they can't possible sell the Premium for only $20 than the Arcade when the Premium has a $90 proprietary HDD, right? And a wireless controller?
I would assume the strategy is exactly that, but re-worded. "I can pay $20 more and get all this other awesome stuff? Why the hell not?!"
That's not how pricing works though. They'd make less money because they're offering the same product at a lower price in the middle of the lineup without lowering the overall barrier to entry. You get few or no new customers from the move and customers who were going to buy anyway go for the product with lower margins. Microsoft is way too business savvy to allow such sub-optimal pricing.
So I'm wondering still if this just applies to the Premium or if any of the savings will necessarily roll down or up to the Arcade/Elite?
Like, they can't possible sell the Premium for only $20 than the Arcade when the Premium has a $90 proprietary HDD, right? And a wireless controller?
I would assume the strategy is exactly that, but re-worded. "I can pay $20 more and get all this other awesome stuff? Why the hell not?!"
That's not how pricing works though. They'd make less money because they're offering the same product at a lower price in the middle of the lineup without lowering the overall barrier to entry. You get few or no new customers from the move and customers who were going to buy anyway go for the product with lower margins. Microsoft is way too business savvy to allow such sub-optimal pricing.
It seems I've been beaten by a cunning use of big words and superior knowledge.
So I'm wondering still if this just applies to the Premium or if any of the savings will necessarily roll down or up to the Arcade/Elite?
Like, they can't possible sell the Premium for only $20 than the Arcade when the Premium has a $90 proprietary HDD, right? And a wireless controller?
I would assume the strategy is exactly that, but re-worded. "I can pay $20 more and get all this other awesome stuff? Why the hell not?!"
That's not how pricing works though. They'd make less money because they're offering the same product at a lower price in the middle of the lineup without lowering the overall barrier to entry. You get few or no new customers from the move and customers who were going to buy anyway go for the product with lower margins. Microsoft is way too business savvy to allow such sub-optimal pricing.
They're almost certainly going to drop the Arcade to $250 to match the Wii.
Bring on the PS3 price drop this price drop will undoubtedly cause.
Which would be awesome.
Unfortunately, it might be that this price drop is just to clear the inventory of the 20GB, discontinue it, and introduce a 60GB at the non-dropped price, as rumors are saying.
So I'm wondering still if this just applies to the Premium or if any of the savings will necessarily roll down or up to the Arcade/Elite?
Like, they can't possible sell the Premium for only $20 than the Arcade when the Premium has a $90 proprietary HDD, right? And a wireless controller?
I would assume the strategy is exactly that, but re-worded. "I can pay $20 more and get all this other awesome stuff? Why the hell not?!"
That's not how pricing works though. They'd make less money because they're offering the same product at a lower price in the middle of the lineup without lowering the overall barrier to entry. You get few or no new customers from the move and customers who were going to buy anyway go for the product with lower margins. Microsoft is way too business savvy to allow such sub-optimal pricing.
They're almost certainly going to drop the Arcade to $250 to match the Wii.
That would make perfect sense and really push Nintendo (ok, not realy) to drop the price of the Wii as well.
On a hot day my 360 sounds like a jet engine. I'd be willing to upgrade to a new model if it was quiet and had more HD space.
It's my understanding that any reduction in the overall sound output would remain negligible unless they alter the speed or construction of the disc drive. Yes, the fans are loud, but even an elegant purr would continue to be completely buried by the deafening roar of disc access, even on the hottest days.
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I\'d be willing to upgrade to an HDMI-capable, 60gb 360 if there was a way to move my saves and dlc over that didn\'t make it unavailable offline.
Also, I can confirm that both power supplies work with either system. I've used my brother's powerbrick, which he got with his original 360 (it has push-in tabs on the side of the plug that goes into the box itself) with my Falcon Halo 3 360 with no problems.
I don\'t like the idea that I\'m using a 360 that has a significant defect that may blow at any moment, but I like even less trying to kill it, dealing with sending it back, and then having to deal with all of my downloaded stuff not working if I\'m offline.
You can transfer your liscenses over to a new 360 now, its on xbox.com, you can only do it once a year though, itl transfer every liscense over to the new 360 and then you just pick "download again" and if the content is already on your xbox itl finish downloading basically instantly and you can play it offline, I just recently did this with my Elite, my old one started being dumb so I got the Elite, its pretty sweet, doesnt make noise, big ass hard drive, I dont think itl break from what Ive heard, but yeah, I transferred my liscenses and can play all my shit offline again, (yay).
Edit: and for all you people wanting quiet, the Elite makes no noise for me, only when you choose to play the game itl make the loud start up for like...3 mins max and then go silent and you dont hear it, I love the Elite, no noise, its great.
Edit 2: And the Elite DOES have more HD space, 120 GB, (lies, its really only like 103 but even so, thats still a lot) says 120...either way, thats a shitload of space.
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It took my brother's xbox 360 two and a half months to return, he is now terrified to turn it on for more than 15 minutes.
It makes sense in that it let's them keep the price high, retain their margins, whilst seemingly offering better value.
Every person I've ever met that owns a 360 (even people I don't really know that well) has had theirs die at least once.
As a counter, the majority of people I know with one haven't had any problems. That's not to say some of them haven't, but overall the quality seems to be improving with later hardware revisions.
I may just be lucky though, my launch day Wii and several year old PS2 are still going strong.
How late in terms of hardware revisions? I got my 360 in April of '07 (for GHII) and it died in April of '08. A friend got his Halo 3 360 when they first became available and his died about a month ago.
Rock Band with friends, too. In fact, out of everyone I even vaguely know who has a 360, only one had the RRoD happen.
Same here... I have a launch unit that still runs great. Doesn't mean I'm not tempted to run it covered in a towel so I can take advantage of the warranty, but I'm also not a dick.
I\'ve considered it, but it hasn\'t seemed worth the effort.
My first 360 (purchased a month to the day after launch) crapped out back in August of last year. The video output died, and so I tried to get it to RRoD so I'd get it fixed for free. The towel trick didn't work for me. The fuckin' thing just shut itself off, no red ring to be found.
I don\'t like the idea that I\'m using a 360 that has a significant defect that may blow at any moment, but I like even less trying to kill it, dealing with sending it back, and then having to deal with all of my downloaded stuff not working if I\'m offline.
and slash I believe if the box has the HDMI emblem on the back of it (we're talking premium edition here), then it is the new one.
There are HDMI ones that are not the newest chipset. The way to tell is by looking at the power supply - if it's 175W, it's the newer chipset, the older one is 202 or something like that. The funny part is the box may not actually match (probably because they pulled some of the older ones) - the one I bought said 202 on the box, but the unit itself was actually one with the newer chipset and 175W power supply.
Oish. See, now, that is confusing.
The new ones may or may not have HDMI.
And the new ones should say 175W but may or may not turn out to be the new, 175W ones when you open it.
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So I would figure that it would be okay.
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This is exactly what I was figuring/hoping. It's probably a given that Microsoft has taken that into account when they send someone back a Falcon who had previously owned one of the older chipsets.
For lower power uses, the capability of a more powerful brick goes unused. The extra power is never drawn from the supply. Most power supplies become less efficient as more power is drawn, so if Microsoft cheaped out on the newer low power supply, having a more powerful supply might even be a good thing as it might use less electricity and generates less heat.
Like, they can't possible sell the Premium for only $20 than the Arcade when the Premium has a $90 proprietary HDD, right? And a wireless controller?
I would assume the strategy is exactly that, but re-worded. "I can pay $20 more and get all this other awesome stuff? Why the hell not?!"
I believe the warranty starts from the moment you bought your xbox - so while you received a replacement, it’s only covered under the original warranty. If it red rings, you still have three years from the purchase date, but for anything else you only have that first year.
I may be wrong.
That's not how pricing works though. They'd make less money because they're offering the same product at a lower price in the middle of the lineup without lowering the overall barrier to entry. You get few or no new customers from the move and customers who were going to buy anyway go for the product with lower margins. Microsoft is way too business savvy to allow such sub-optimal pricing.
It seems I've been beaten by a cunning use of big words and superior knowledge.
I'm sayin'.
They're almost certainly going to drop the Arcade to $250 to match the Wii.
Which would be awesome.
Unfortunately, it might be that this price drop is just to clear the inventory of the 20GB, discontinue it, and introduce a 60GB at the non-dropped price, as rumors are saying.
If so, then bah.
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That would make perfect sense and really push Nintendo (ok, not realy) to drop the price of the Wii as well.
It's my understanding that any reduction in the overall sound output would remain negligible unless they alter the speed or construction of the disc drive. Yes, the fans are loud, but even an elegant purr would continue to be completely buried by the deafening roar of disc access, even on the hottest days.
You can transfer your liscenses over to a new 360 now, its on xbox.com, you can only do it once a year though, itl transfer every liscense over to the new 360 and then you just pick "download again" and if the content is already on your xbox itl finish downloading basically instantly and you can play it offline, I just recently did this with my Elite, my old one started being dumb so I got the Elite, its pretty sweet, doesnt make noise, big ass hard drive, I dont think itl break from what Ive heard, but yeah, I transferred my liscenses and can play all my shit offline again, (yay).
Edit: and for all you people wanting quiet, the Elite makes no noise for me, only when you choose to play the game itl make the loud start up for like...3 mins max and then go silent and you dont hear it, I love the Elite, no noise, its great.
Edit 2: And the Elite DOES have more HD space, 120 GB, (lies, its really only like 103 but even so, thats still a lot) says 120...either way, thats a shitload of space.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemuse/xbox360/licensemigration/?WT.svl=nav