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Worse kept secret confirmed. KOTOR MMO by Bioware.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Henroid wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Son of a bitch. Okay, so concept wise I think we know how bad this can be. There's only room for it to be better than we think (or not as bad as we think, if you want to be picky about words), right?

    BioWare have not made a bad game. Period.

    Look, I know to give them that much credit. But it's an MMO installment for a great series. The story telling elements are gone, or cut back a LOT due to the nature.

    Why? Games like AoC, while it has its flaws, have started to adapt cinematic story telling to the the MMO market. Just because it hasn't been done, doesn't mean it can't be done.

    If anyone can break down the barrier and bring real cinematic story telling to an MMO, it's BioWare.

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  • TenelTenel Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Lack of jedi and sith in the Kotor era?

    What are you smoking :p

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Heffling wrote: »
    An MMO is a horrible continuation of the KOTOR series. KOTOR is about decisions you make that affect the galaxy. MMO's are about being able to do the same thing over and over again, without making a difference in the universe.

    It's just a bad idea.

    BS. The MMO's YOU'VE PLAYED are like that.

    There are MMO's, past and present, that are not WoW clones, that have world effecting game play and epic stories. Just because you haven't stumbled on to one, doesn't mean they've never existed in some form or another.

    As much as I like WoW, if it has done anything to hurt MMO's, it's homogenize the industry and make everyone believe that every MMO has to be just like it. It's like MMO = WoW in peoples minds, and they can't separate the two.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Tenel wrote: »
    Lack of jedi and sith in the Kotor era?

    What are you smoking :p

    In KOTOR 2 there only seemed to be like 4 council members left. There are a few strewn about but not the abundance that would be present in an MMO.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Tenel wrote: »
    Lack of jedi and sith in the Kotor era?

    What are you smoking :p

    In KOTOR 2 there only seemed to be like 4 council members left. There are a few strewn about but not the abundance that would be present in an MMO.

    4 that you saw, on the very limited set of worlds you travel to.

    The whole POINT of the KoToR time period is that it's very force user heavy. Lots of Sith and Jedi running around with light sabers.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    But without any of that empire/rebellion bullshit that constrains every other Star Wars game.

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  • TenelTenel Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Basically their are entire armies of sith/jedi on each side.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Tenel wrote: »
    Lack of jedi and sith in the Kotor era?

    What are you smoking :p

    In KOTOR 2 there only seemed to be like 4 council members left. There are a few strewn about but not the abundance that would be present in an MMO.

    4 that you saw, on the very limited set of worlds you travel to.

    The whole POINT of the KoToR time period is that it's very force user heavy. Lots of Sith and Jedi running around with light sabers.

    Also, it could be pre-KOTOR 1, with a well-established council and lots of force users running around in the open.

    Which I will enjoy.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The whole story of KOTOR 2 was how nearly all the jedi were wiped out again. As far as most people knew, including the sith, the exile was the last one left.

    There are sure to be pockets here and there naturally. But not armies worth.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Screw Jedi. I want to be a Mandalorian.

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  • the Togfatherthe Togfather Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Well, considering bioware is currently doing kotor 3 (right?) then I assume this kotor MMO will pick up right where that leaves off. Maybe like 20 years down the road so the council can re-establish itself and such... Didn't Warcraft 3/WoW do something similar?

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  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Tenel wrote: »
    Lack of jedi and sith in the Kotor era?

    What are you smoking :p

    In KOTOR 2 there only seemed to be like 4 council members left. There are a few strewn about but not the abundance that would be present in an MMO.

    council members. few left of an already small group. ok, a large part of KOTOR2s story was about a large chunk of the Jedi being wiped out(especially the most powerful ones), but it was also leading towards the creation of a new Jedi/Sith Order. one that would be prepared and capable of taking on the larger threat to the galaxy that Reven was off dealing with.*

    if we do indeed get KOTOR3 before the MMO, i'd imagine that it'll both bring the trilogy to an end and set the scene for a great conflict that will be at the heart of the MMO.

    *most of this is based on memory of the games and the KOTOR2 Lets Play, so i might be a little bit wrong.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The Jedi (and presumably sith) were hiding during kotor 2 because dark ugly was mulling about sucking their brains out.

    There's a buttload of both jedi and sith in the kotor timeline, and now that the immediate threat is gone and presumably the academies can be restored, it's a ripe timeline to stick a fresh faced jedi (you) into.


    So if I had to guess the game will be playable as several classes of jedi or sith, along with maybe infiltrators and some kind of commando or bounty hunter

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  • darklite_xdarklite_x I'm not an r-tard... Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Thank god. It's about time that DaRkSiThIrOtH69 gets a chance to show the world what he's made of.
    I might be the only one, but I'll take my Star Wars MMO minus the sith/jedi please.

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    KOTOR 3 is an MMO?

    What a steaming pile of shit.

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    BigDes wrote: »
    KOTOR 3 is an MMO?

    What a steaming pile of shit.

    Try reading the thread again.

    KOTOR 3, THEN the MMO.

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  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    BigDes wrote: »
    KOTOR 3 is an MMO?

    well thats another question that hasn't been either asked or answered. all we've got is confirmation that a KOTOR MMO is being worked on. not that its taking the place of KOTOR3. and going by this thread, it seems quite a few think that both are being worked on.

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  • InsiderInsider Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The whole story of KOTOR 2 was how nearly all the jedi were wiped out again. As far as most people knew, including the sith, the exile was the last one left.

    There are sure to be pockets here and there naturally. But not armies worth.

    So they could just make it 30 years or something after the events in the games and you are one of the new students being trained by the exile/revan/whoever is left.

    Easy.

    Edit: Also - MANDALORIANS as playable race. Hell yes. This game basically makes itself.

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  • Triple BTriple B Bastard of the North MARegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Oh God dammit. How fucking much of my money do you want, BioWare? Huh? How fucking much? :x

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  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Triple B wrote: »
    Oh God dammit. How fucking much of my money do you want, BioWare? Huh? How fucking much? :x

    all of it.

    and then a just a little bit more. :)

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    HEY GUYS NOT EVERY FORCE USER HAS TO BE A JEDI OR A SITH KTHX.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    BigDes wrote: »
    KOTOR 3 is an MMO?

    What a steaming pile of shit.

    Try reading the thread again.

    KOTOR 3, THEN the MMO.

    Wait, where was kotor 3 confirmed? And who is doing it

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Insider wrote: »
    The whole story of KOTOR 2 was how nearly all the jedi were wiped out again. As far as most people knew, including the sith, the exile was the last one left.

    There are sure to be pockets here and there naturally. But not armies worth.

    So they could just make it 30 years or something after the events in the games and you are one of the new students being trained by the exile/revan/whoever is left.

    Easy.

    Edit: Also - MANDALORIANS as playable race. Hell yes. This game basically makes itself.

    I'm going to say it'd have to be more than 30 years. That's really only 1 generation for maybe 3-5 jedi to train thousands. It takes what, a decade of careful training to produce a single jedi? Unless each jedi is training upwards of 10 apprentices at the same time (and let's face it, there's no way Handmaiden and Visas are that competent) it would take another few decades to have any semblance of armies.

    The jedi are essentially extinct at the end of KOTOR 2. The masters could hide in places touched by the Dark Side or huge, densely populated planets; I doubt there are thousands of jedi apprentices who had the same knowledge and capacity to hide.

    Now, they could claim that when Revan left to fight the true Sith that he brought in tow an army of jedi, both light and dark (As far as I recall there's no statement of what contingent of people he might have taken with him, only that he left lots of important people behind). They could set it before KOTOR 1. They could set it multiple decades after KOTOR 2 when the principle of exponential growth has had a bit more time to work.

    I do concur that Mandalorians would be a most excellent race.

    EDIT: Not every force user has to be a jedi or sith indeed, but they all leave echoes in the Force that Nihilus would have used to track them down and absorb them.

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  • GibbGibb Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Duke Nukem Forever will be out before KOTOR MMO, I said it.:winky:

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Gibb wrote: »
    Duke Nukem Forever will be out before KOTOR MMO, I said it.:winky:
    Other way around I think.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    http://forums.bioware.com/viewpost.html?topic=617963&post=5650244&forum=22
    Chris Priestly
    Community Communications Coordinator
    From: Behind an Evil desk in Marketing
    Posted: Friday, 15 February 2008 09:46PM
    Pretty much (and good try Arari).

    I can say there is no KotOR3 from BioWare since there is no KotOR3 from BioWare. I can't comment on the MMO because there is going to be an MMO, I just can't talk about what it might or might not be.

    I can confirm that our Austin studio IS working on an MMO. Does that help?

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  • Asamof the HorribleAsamof the Horrible Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I am disappointed that another star wars MMO is in the works. I'd rather see a new IP or even mass effect. Now all we're probably going to get is 10 variations of the same jedi, because if star wars fans can't waggle a glowstick then they can't have fun. Even if there are other classes, 99% of the community will ignore them, cause they just aint star warsy enough.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    http://forums.bioware.com/viewpost.html?topic=617963&post=5650244&forum=22
    Chris Priestly
    Community Communications Coordinator
    From: Behind an Evil desk in Marketing
    Posted: Friday, 15 February 2008 09:46PM
    Pretty much (and good try Arari).

    I can say there is no KotOR3 from BioWare since there is no KotOR3 from BioWare. I can't comment on the MMO because there is going to be an MMO, I just can't talk about what it might or might not be.

    I can confirm that our Austin studio IS working on an MMO. Does that help?
    Yeah lucasarts was getting another company I think.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    From the general replies I know it's not what anyone wants, but...

    I think an MMO where you had character progression through non-force skills with the fairly standard idea of 'better blaster equals more badass' (or whatever your flavour favoured), followed by a progression of force and lightsaber skills that would gradually free you from equipment based constraints, would be pretty awesome.

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  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I'm suprised how much pessimism there is about this game. I think it could be good.

    And for lack of information, we're calling it a "KOTOR MMO," but it's more likely an MMO set in the old republic, which means the gameplay signatures and storyline of the KOTOR series don't have to be followed.

    I think it could easily be BEFORE the KOTOR installments that have already been made.

    Is no one else even a little intrigued by this game?

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Obsidian to work on the single player game maybe?

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Oh god if Obsidian makes it and has time to finish it I will be the happiest.

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  • CadeCade Eppur si muove.Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Until it's officially announced they'll deny it, it's standard business practice. We've seen that for many games before time and time again and then there it is! Like I said worse kept secret.

    As for when this KOTOR MMO takes place I'm going to bet it might take place during the Republic's war with the Mando's, it's a pretty good time to have such a MMO. Your able to set up potential for huge fights and battles, you got the Jedi having issues, some are helping Revan fighting, some are supporting the council. Plus you can fit in Sith and Dark Jedi as well easily enough with everything going on and that in turn leads into the first KOTOR when it's all said and done.

    If they want they got a few thousand years of history to play the game in the end, The Old Republic spanned a great amount of time and may not even have anything to do with the time zone the original KOTOR games took place in.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Don't need Obsidian. Just Chris Avellone.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2008
    Ugh. I'd be down to playing anything BioWare makes, but I hate MMOs.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I'm suprised how much pessimism there is about this game. I think it could be good.

    And for lack of information, we're calling it a "KOTOR MMO," but it's more likely an MMO set in the old republic, which means the gameplay signatures and storyline of the KOTOR series don't have to be followed.

    I think it could easily be BEFORE the KOTOR installments that have already been made.

    Is no one else even a little intrigued by this game?
    Oh man an mmo where people take part in the Mandalorian wars along side Revan at his/her prime?

    Very yes!

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'll be very strongly towards getting into a KotoR MMO myself.

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  • CadeCade Eppur si muove.Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Oh man an mmo where people take part in the Mandalorian wars along side Revan at his/her prime?

    Very yes!

    Revan is confirmed as a male.

    The exile meanwhile is the female, both have been clarified by Lucasarts.

    Also the Reven action figure is spot on, although if you remove his cloak the dudes bald.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Cade wrote: »
    Oh man an mmo where people take part in the Mandalorian wars along side Revan at his/her prime?

    Very yes!

    Revan is confirmed as a male.

    The exile meanwhile is the female, both have been clarified by Lucasarts.

    Also the Reven action figure is spot on, although if you remove his cloak the dudes bald.
    Wait Revan action figure?! Where?!

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    they released revan and malak figures

    but they're super hard to find

    I saw one for 20 bucks in my comic book store but I didn't have the money and when I came back it was gone

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