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Seeking Final Fantasy DS advice

GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
edited July 2008 in Games and Technology
I'm finding myself wanting a nice RPG for my DS, and I figure that sticking one of the Final Fantasy games in my Goozex queue is the way to go. However, I'm not all that familiar with the series as a whole (basically, I haven't played a non-Tactics FF since the very first on the NES) so I'm not quite sure which way to go.

I'm leaning toward Revenant Wings, largely because I really like the art style, but the gambit system looks like it might have an unpleasant frustration:fun ratio. IV is brand new and has nice 3D and voice. III has the job system.

So...whadda think?

(By the way, I've got FFT A2 already.)

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  • harvestharvest By birthright, a stupendous badass.Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Revenant Wings is basically an RTS, and I didn't find it fun at all.

    Get IV when it comes out tomorrow.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The gambit system is awesome in FFXII but Revenant Wings barely utilizes it. It's not really a traditional FF game at all.

    I would start with FF4 tomorrow, yeah, it encompasses pretty well what a Final Fantasy game is without getting too epic or deep like FF6 or 7. It's a nice traditional medieval RPG that will let you know what many of the games are like.

    Personally I like FF3 better but it's about the same only more archaic. I like having all the jobs, though, and I thought it was well-designed, though too grindy for most people nowadays.

    Also get FF5 and FF6 on the GBA, and if you like those, consider FF1&2 (combined game) on the GBA.

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  • Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    If you do pick up FFIV, stop by Circuit City where you'll get a $10 gift card with your purchase.

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  • MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    I'm leaning toward Revenant Wings, largely because I really like the art style, but the gambit system looks like it might have an unpleasant frustration:fun ratio. IV is brand new and has nice 3D and voice. III has the job system.

    The gambit system is not even close to how deep it was in FF12. It's more like an autocast. You chose a skill and they'll use it automatically whenever possible. Blizzaga (AoE spell) on one guy? You betcha!
    It's not a terrible game though. I've been playing through it. I'm about 8 hours in and 50% done.

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited July 2008

    Also get FF5 and FF6 on the GBA, and if you like those, consider FF1&2 (combined game) on the GBA.
    Of course, if FF4 does sell like hotcakes, there's a pretty good chance they'll be remaking the GBA ports on the DS as well, so you might want to hold off on 5 and 6.

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  • TVs_FrankTVs_Frank Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    FF3 was okay. It's not really too grindy, but the jobs level up in the stupidest way. Your characters have to get hit 5 or so times for the job level to go up. It's the most annoying part of the game, but if you can get past that and like NES style RPGs, you'll probably like it.

    I'd say FFIVDS is a sure bet though. Great classic fantasy story and gameplay. It's still one of my favorite FFs. I've got mine ordered.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Darlan wrote: »

    Also get FF5 and FF6 on the GBA, and if you like those, consider FF1&2 (combined game) on the GBA.
    Of course, if FF4 does sell like hotcakes, there's a pretty good chance they'll be remaking the GBA ports on the DS as well, so you might want to hold off on 5 and 6.

    FF6 DS would be a huuuuge undertaking. I'd really expect them to do that on a more powerful system, with all the time and effort involved. I could see 5 though, it's FF4 + a little bit more.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Shady3011 wrote: »
    If you do pick up FFIV, stop by Circuit City where you'll get a $10 gift card with your purchase.

    Well, that is tempting...even though the only Circuit City nearby is annoying to get to. But only 5 or 6 dollars worth of annoying.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Final Fantasy IV DS comes out tomorrow so you're highly unlikely to get it from Goozex anytime soon.

    Final Fantasy V Advance for the GBA is a pretty fun game if you like SNES-era RPGs. The story's nothing special, but gameplay is great. It pretty much started the whole mix & match job system that has been used in many RPGs since then. Only 300 points too.

    Final Fantasy VI Advance for the GBA is one of the best RPGs on the SNES. The GBA port doesn't add much, but it really doesn't need to. Highly recommended, but a little steep at 550 points.

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  • aparrishaparrish Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Revenant Wings is awful. Don't get it. It's easy on the eyes, sure, but there's really no game there. I traded it after ten hours or so. I don't know why it reviewed so well.

    I'd actually recommend Final Fantasy I&II: Dawn of Souls (for GBA). Both games have been rejiggered from the originals to be friendlier for contemporary gamers, and they greatly benefit (imo at least) from the change. Between both titles you're looking at ~40-50 hours of classic FF gameplay easy, all for 300 Goozex points.

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  • projectmayhemprojectmayhem Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Get Final Fantasy V Advance.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    TVs_Frank wrote: »
    Your characters have to get hit 5 or so times for the job level to go up.
    .

    Um. No. This is not how jobs level up in FF3, at all.

    Each action you perform gives Job points, at 100 Job Points you level up.

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  • TheLawinatorTheLawinator Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So, what are the changes for FFV and VI from the snes to the GBA?

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    FF3 has more of a story than the first two, but it wasn't quite a story-driven game like IV. So if you're cool with classic dungeon-crawling, you might want to buy III and then IV.

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  • gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Get Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga for the GBA.

    It's not Final Fantasy, but it is probably the best RPG for the GBA or DS.

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Pata wrote: »
    TVs_Frank wrote: »
    Your characters have to get hit 5 or so times for the job level to go up.
    .

    Um. No. This is not how jobs level up in FF3, at all.

    Each action you perform gives Job points, at 100 Job Points you level up.

    It sounds more like he is thinking of FFII

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  • SchideSchide Yeoh! Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So, what are the changes for FFV and VI from the snes to the GBA?

    Extra dungeon after last boss and more classes and weapons and armor. Kinda fun but nothing too great. Well, that and the different/better in ways but kind of disappointing in others localization.

    I decided to request FFIV DS on Goozex, I know it's going to take awhile to get out, but I wasn't looking for it right away anyway.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Alright, I think I'll grab 4 today, and put 3 on my Goozex request list. That should keep me occupied. Thanks!

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    Alright, I think I'll grab 4 today, and put 3 on my Goozex request list. That should keep me occupied. Thanks!

    Sounds like a plan. Depending on your taste in RPGs (that is, if you enjoy JRPGs and not just Western style), I think you'll be satisfied.

    Just know that you'll probably find 3 inferior to 4 in several ways. Don't expect it to be better, and then you'll be able to enjoy it for what it is. :P

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  • major_tommajor_tom Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Man, fuck all this talk of an FFVI remake on DS. I'd rather see them give the game the full remake treatment on 360/PS3. Such an epic plot, so many memorable characters. A true masterpiece.

    Of course, there is basically zero chance of this happening before the FFVII remake. Ah well.

    (Incidentally, the FFVI GBA retranslation is brilliant.

    In answer to OP's question, i'll have to echo the sentiment - just get FFIVDS. I don't know whether it was the jump to a new system back in the day (SNES), or what, but the story is much meatier than any previous FFs and the gameplay mechanics are more refined. The 3D looks great and true to the style of the original. Definitely a more satisfying experience than FFIIIDS.

    It's still pretty hard, mind.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The best RPGs on the DS are not Final Fantasy, it should be noted.
    Have you looked at The World Ends With You?

    On the FF topic, though, the DS Crystal Chronicles is pretty good, even in single-player.

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  • dr0neboydr0neboy Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Xagarath wrote: »
    On the FF topic, though, the DS Crystal Chronicles is pretty good, even in single-player.

    Huh? You mean Ring of Fates right?

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    dr0neboy wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    On the FF topic, though, the DS Crystal Chronicles is pretty good, even in single-player.

    Huh? You mean Ring of Fates right?

    Yep.

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  • Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Xagarath wrote: »
    dr0neboy wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    On the FF topic, though, the DS Crystal Chronicles is pretty good, even in single-player.

    Huh? You mean Ring of Fates right?

    Yep.

    It's even better multiplayer. My only peeve about this is that you have two separate character sets. One for single player and one for multiplayer. However, you level up so fast that it really doesn't matter anyway.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I think you've already decided, but just to throw my two cents in: I'd bank on FF4 DS, naturally, and then I'd check out FF6 GBA; even if there will be a DS remake, it won't be until far in the future, and the GBA version is still very much excellent regardless. The FF4 GBA port was serviceable but consistent battle glitches made the game far easier than intended (you'd get extra free turns all the time).

    Depending on what you like about FF, FF3 DS will run either hot or cold; like Sporky said, it's a different beast than what modern FFs are. It shows its NES-era roots in that the story is light and more of a background for exploration than a real meat-and-potatoes plotline, like you'll find in FF4 or FF6, though it's far more characterization than the original FF1.

    Also, it's not FF, but I think anyone who loves the earlier FF games will poop themselves when Dragon Warrior IV comes out this fall, so keep that in mind.

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Lunker wrote: »
    Depending on what you like about FF, FF3 DS will run either hot or cold; like Sporky said, it's a different beast than what modern FFs are. It shows its NES-era roots in that the story is light and more of a background for exploration than a real meat-and-potatoes plotline, like you'll find in FF4 or FF6, though it's far more characterization than the original FF1.

    From what I understand, all of the -- which is to say 'what little' -- story there is in FF III DS was cooked by the team working on the remake, painted between the lines more as a supplement to a current gamer whose palette demands more of a comprehensive package. I never played the original, so I can't say for certain, but even the remake's base-level story and whimsical visuals don't compromise a backbone wrought by its genetics of rigidity and grindage.

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  • TVs_FrankTVs_Frank Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    TVs_Frank wrote: »
    Your characters have to get hit 5 or so times for the job level to go up.
    .

    Um. No. This is not how jobs level up in FF3, at all.

    Each action you perform gives Job points, at 100 Job Points you level up.

    It sounds more like he is thinking of FFII

    Ah right I might be. I'm probably thinking that because of the way I grind jlevels (defend constantly for a few rounds).

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Lunker wrote: »
    Depending on what you like about FF, FF3 DS will run either hot or cold; like Sporky said, it's a different beast than what modern FFs are. It shows its NES-era roots in that the story is light and more of a background for exploration than a real meat-and-potatoes plotline, like you'll find in FF4 or FF6, though it's far more characterization than the original FF1.

    From what I understand, all of the -- which is to say 'what little' -- story there is in FF III DS was cooked by the team working on the remake, painted between the lines more as a supplement to a current gamer whose palette demands more of a comprehensive package. I never played the original, so I can't say for certain, but even the remake's base-level story and whimsical visuals don't compromise a backbone wrought by its genetics of rigidity and grindage.

    No, the basic story is still the same. The four main characters not all being related and having different personalities et al, that is what they added.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    What?! Lunker coming into an RPG thread without mentioning Etrian Odyssey? That's odd!

    :)

    But seriously FFIV should hold you. It's a great game... I just picked it up a few minutes ago, and can't wait to go home and play it!

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    What?! Lunker coming into an RPG thread without mentioning Etrian Odyssey? That's odd!

    What the fuck is EO? Some sort of FF VII compilation member?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    What?! Lunker coming into an RPG thread without mentioning Etrian Odyssey? That's odd!

    What the fuck is EO? Some sort of FF VII compilation member?

    I think its before the before crisis. Or is it after Advents? I can't seem to remember.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    What?! Lunker coming into an RPG thread without mentioning Etrian Odyssey? That's odd!

    What the fuck is EO? Some sort of FF VII compilation member?

    Some fairy anime bullshit. Beats me, RPGs are lame.

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    I didn't recommend EO only because it's kind of the opposite of the 4-and-beyond Final Fantasy games; all grindy exploration and no story (or a story you don't really have to pay attention to, anyway). Such pure, undiluted RPG goodness tastes far too bitter to people not used to the flavor. :)

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  • zeppelinzeppelin Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Does IV have a genuine story then?

    What little I played of III kinda... just wasn't doing much for me. On the other hand XII (and X) both gripped me.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    If X and XII gripped you IV should blow your socks off. So make sure you're wearing socks. Otherwise, you know...

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  • zeppelinzeppelin Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    If X and XII gripped you IV should blow your socks off. So make sure you're wearing socks. Otherwise, you know...


    I'm guessing my gloves...

    But hot damn I can't wait. I'm lookin forward to my train ride tommorow

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I bought IV over lunch today, and now work is going by twice as slow for me to get home and play it...


    Man... I was totally flipping a coin over bringing my DS to work with me and playing it in the bathroom, but I really want to hear the sound/voices so I didn't.

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  • zeppelinzeppelin Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    I bought IV over lunch today, and now work is going by twice as slow for me to get home and play it...


    Man... I was totally flipping a coin over bringing my DS to work with me and playing it in the bathroom, but I really want to hear the sound/voices so I didn't.

    Where did you buy it? NOBODY has it till tommorow and I want to grab it before my commute in the morning.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Lunker wrote: »
    Depending on what you like about FF, FF3 DS will run either hot or cold; like Sporky said, it's a different beast than what modern FFs are. It shows its NES-era roots in that the story is light and more of a background for exploration than a real meat-and-potatoes plotline, like you'll find in FF4 or FF6, though it's far more characterization than the original FF1.

    From what I understand, all of the -- which is to say 'what little' -- story there is in FF III DS was cooked by the team working on the remake, painted between the lines more as a supplement to a current gamer whose palette demands more of a comprehensive package. I never played the original, so I can't say for certain, but even the remake's base-level story and whimsical visuals don't compromise a backbone wrought by its genetics of rigidity and grindage.

    No, the basic story is still the same. The four main characters not all being related and having different personalities et al, that is what they added.

    It's true. I played an original NES translation and it's very much the same. Personally I thought it was great for being a NES game, and for a long time I ranked it about equal to FF4. I do rank it equal to FF5, as they are very similar. Story without too much real emotion, only four characters, big emphasis on the job system.

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  • BantryBantry Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I didn't like FF4. It was boring and the story was pretty shitty.

    Then again I've only played the GBA remake, so I don't know if they made the DS version better.

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  • Merlinus AmbrosiusMerlinus Ambrosius Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    zeppelin wrote: »
    Kor wrote: »
    I bought IV over lunch today, and now work is going by twice as slow for me to get home and play it...


    Man... I was totally flipping a coin over bringing my DS to work with me and playing it in the bathroom, but I really want to hear the sound/voices so I didn't.

    Where did you buy it? NOBODY has it till tommorow and I want to grab it before my commute in the morning.

    I was able to pick up a copy at Fry's Electronics, even though their ad in the paper on friday said they wouldn't get it until wednesday.

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