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The "Lose Your Faith in Humanity" Thread (Now With Inspring Words by Pony!)

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    ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Yeah man the Air Force really isnt that bad.

    Also fuck enlisting. Become an officer.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    coming from a military family, and seeing how they all turned out, and listening to what they think on the subject, i actually have a very negative view of the military as anything but the basic necessity we need it for.

    it's not a great thing to do with your life, you do it because you want to do it, and because someone needs to do it and you feel the calling to be that guy.

    if you don't, you shouldn't.

    Pony on
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    SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Seph wrote: »
    If you have too much self esteem the military will try to break it
    have to little? it will try to force you to get more, enough

    so you can do what you need to do
    follow orders

    exactly

    the military is not there to make you a better person

    it is there to make you into the person your country needs you to be

    a soldier

    if you aren't looking to become a soldier, joining any military is a stupid idea

    I don't blame people for thinking otherwise, even though they are wrong. Television marketing and the persuasion of army recruiters are great "illusions"

    Seph on
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    Mister LongbaughMister Longbaugh Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    the military can also be massively destructive to people who are really out of shape and lack self-esteem

    boot is not exactly therapy.

    actually boot camp is made to, over time, boost your confidence in yourself, your training and your physical ability level.

    the military is not full metal jacket

    over time

    whether a person survives that process is a question of the individual

    some do

    some don't

    some kill themselves

    but in the end, i think it's a less healthy option than say

    just making better choices about your activities and your outlook on others

    ahahahaha oh my god

    listen half the guys in my company were overweight kids with low self esteem, and every single one of them surpassed the army's physical fitness standards and graduated. i doubt the percentage was much different throughout the battalion, hell, even the brigade. while i was there, at least, not one person in the battalion killed themself

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    i am glad for you that you had a positive experience with that longbaugh

    i still wouldn't recommend it to others

    ever

    Pony on
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    VivixenneVivixenne Remember your training, and we'll get through this just fine. Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    getting your ass to the gym and working out and sticking with an exercise regimen with a buddy going with you to help make it into a habit is also a good way to build self-discipline while getting in shape

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I do think people have far too much emotional investment in deciding early on what to do with themselves

    a year ago, you wouldn't have been able to predict what kind of person you would be today, so why are you trying to lay down an overarching structure that's supposed to lead you to retirement and the grave?

    live your life, get an education, have some fun and make good decisions as you come across them

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    Mister LongbaughMister Longbaugh Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    i am glad for you that you had a positive experience with that longbaugh

    i still wouldn't recommend it to others

    ever

    idno maybe you should try it before you give a lot of advice on the subject

    Mister Longbaugh on
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    VivixenneVivixenne Remember your training, and we'll get through this just fine. Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    the military is a good option for some

    for others it's not

    as with all things, there is no blanket solution for any individual's problems

    what worked for someone else might not work for you, what didn't work for someone else might work for you

    so you gotta take a moment and be extremely honest with yourself (or have someone else help you with that) and come up with a way that you know will be effective for you

    AND STICK TO IT

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    ShankusuShankusu __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    coming from a military family, and seeing how they all turned out, and listening to what they think on the subject, i actually have a very negative view of the military as anything but the basic necessity we need it for.

    it's not a great thing to do with your life, you do it because you want to do it, and because someone needs to do it and you feel the calling to be that guy.

    if you don't, you shouldn't.

    I disagree enormously, and I come from an extremely militaristic family that has been a part of the government and the army since before the country's conception.

    My friend, the valedictorian, comes from an extremely poor family, and couldn't afford to go anywhere that didn't give him a full ride. Rather than deal with applying to Ivy League schools and hoping for a full scholarship, he just went to the Air Force Academy with the intention of studying mechanical engineering. He is basically facing belonging to the government until he's 28, serving in the Air Force until he's 38, and then being pretty much done for the rest of his life, only working out of boredom if he so desires, as well as enjoying the enormous perks of being an individual in a commanding position in the service of our nation.

    I think I'll always wonder what would have happened if I had followed him, because my family made the military look awfully damn appearing.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    i am glad for you that you had a positive experience with that longbaugh

    i still wouldn't recommend it to others

    ever

    idno maybe you should try it before you give a lot of advice on the subject

    can you actually imagine me in the military?

    the idea is laughable

    but nonetheless, seeing how screwed up my father's entire family has ended up because of military service out of familial obligation

    yeah

    naw

    Pony on
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    SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    This may be just a movie quote, but i think it was a good one and it applies

    Marcus Aurelius: Tell me again, Maximus, why are we here?
    Maximus: For the glory of the Empire, sire.
    Marcus Aurelius: And what is that?

    Seph on
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    BasicBasic Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I guess it's not smart to join the military in my state. I'd rather be mentally and physically prepared for joining the military, after all, the reason I wanted to join was to serve my country in it's defense, and I feel I may regret not doing it later in life.

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    UmaroUmaro Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I freaked out for a month over what to do with my life.

    Then I said "Fuck it, I'm going to major in theater because I can" and now I'm a lot happier.

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    Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Shankusu could I make a request of you?
    Would you guys make some kind of note in your posts as to who it is that made the post

    Me Too! on
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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lol! wrote: »
    Shankusu could I make a request of you?
    Would you guys make some kind of note in your posts as to who it is that made the post

    what "you guys"

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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm pretty sure I'd lose my mind and shatter what little self-confidence I have, if I set foot in boot camp.

    I have a tendency to sort of withdraw from any conversation or situation whenever I'm being yelled at about something I don't feel I have any control over. It happened quite a lot with my Dad. I'm pretty sure that's an Aspergers thing.

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    SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    My brother was in the military for only four years and he told me the story of how there was a golden gloves vegas boxer in the infantry with him

    this boxer was slightly insane and ready to fight anyone

    he still got in

    it is not hard to join the military and be accepted

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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    i am glad for you that you had a positive experience with that longbaugh

    i still wouldn't recommend it to others

    ever

    idno maybe you should try it before you give a lot of advice on the subject

    Did you miss when he said lots of his family served, and how he was a cadet at some point in his childhood?

    and, since my last bit got BOTPed:

    I'm pretty sure I'd lose my mind and shatter what little self-confidence I have, if I set foot in boot camp.

    I have a tendency to sort of withdraw from any conversation or situation whenever I'm being yelled at about something I don't feel I have any control over. It happened quite a lot with my Dad. I'm pretty sure that's an Aspergers thing.

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    ShankusuShankusu __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    Shankusu could I make a request of you?
    Would you guys make some kind of note in your posts as to who it is that made the post

    what "you guys"

    we're a dichotomy, you see

    Shankusu on
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    thorpethorpe Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Seph wrote: »
    This may be just a movie quote, but i think it was a good one and it applies

    Marcus Aurelius: Tell me again, Maximus, why are we here?
    Maximus: For the glory of the Empire, sire.
    Marcus Aurelius: And what is that?

    I don't understand people who don't like Gladiator.

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    VivixenneVivixenne Remember your training, and we'll get through this just fine. Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    Shankusu could I make a request of you?
    Would you guys make some kind of note in your posts as to who it is that made the post

    what "you guys"

    Shankhill Butcher

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    basic really doesn't have that much shouting

    don't let movies fool you

    Pony on
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    StaxeonStaxeon Buffalo, NYRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    i am glad for you that you had a positive experience with that longbaugh

    i still wouldn't recommend it to others

    ever

    idno maybe you should try it before you give a lot of advice on the subject

    can you actually imagine me in the military?

    the idea is laughable

    but nonetheless, seeing how screwed up my father's entire family has ended up because of military service out of familial obligation

    yeah

    naw

    Are they screwed up because of the military, or are they screwed up because there's a "familial obligation" imposed upon them to go be in something?

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    Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    I had a plan for my life
    Go to community college, do two years, transfer, finish getting my CS degree, get a job, live
    And then the last couple weeks I thought to myself "Donald K Wiggin you are not ready to do this.
    You got some growing up to do before you are ready"
    And now I have a new plan in that I only have a plan for my immediate future

    Me Too! on
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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Staxeon wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    i am glad for you that you had a positive experience with that longbaugh

    i still wouldn't recommend it to others

    ever

    idno maybe you should try it before you give a lot of advice on the subject

    can you actually imagine me in the military?

    the idea is laughable

    but nonetheless, seeing how screwed up my father's entire family has ended up because of military service out of familial obligation

    yeah

    naw

    Are they screwed up because of the military, or are they screwed up because there's a "familial obligation" imposed upon them to go be in something?

    they're screwed up because they chose to go into the military for the wrong reasons.

    which is a bad idea for basically any field

    but especially bad for a contractually obligated career that owns you for basically the rest of your life and changes your entire lifestyle and mindset and basic ability to relate to others

    Pony on
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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    Shankusu could I make a request of you?
    Would you guys make some kind of note in your posts as to who it is that made the post

    what "you guys"

    Shankhill Butcher

    Kusugutatitaiaiaitittai

    well that was the joke

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    ShankusuShankusu __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    my plan is

    go to college
    graduate
    sell an awful lot of land in arizona
    write maybe
    probably do some drugs

    Shankusu on
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    UmaroUmaro Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    My problem with boot camp (besides my flat feet) would be that, for whatever reason, when people are screaming at me I can't help but laugh uncontrollably.

    This makes them angrier.

    Umaro on
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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    boot camp really doesn't have angry screaming

    nor did it ever, really

    hollywood sorta made that up

    Pony on
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    Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    My problem with boot camp is I'm in terrible shape and don't do well with people shouting at me
    Family don't even get to shout at me unless we are full blown arguing
    If you're just yelling at me to try to establish authority I stop respecting you until you shut up

    Me Too! on
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    JigrahJigrah Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    the military is a good option for some

    for others it's not

    as with all things, there is no blanket solution for any individual's problems

    what worked for someone else might not work for you, what didn't work for someone else might work for you

    so you gotta take a moment and be extremely honest with yourself (or have someone else help you with that) and come up with a way that you know will be effective for you

    AND STICK TO IT

    All we did is say hey its an option check it out, it's not like we are recruiters with an agenda or something. It's easy to sit up high and tell people the things they need to do to fix their life. They haven't climbed that tree though, they haven't seen life as others have. Some people do not have that strong of will power, telling people "Hey just quit fuckin smokin" doesn't do them much good if they are addicted. Sure I know people that have quit it cold Turkey just fine, that doesn't mean everyone can.

    Not everyone can just go hey this is what I need to do with my life, lets to it. They need some prodding or poking or some kind of epiphany that changes them.

    Jigrah on
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    Mister LongbaughMister Longbaugh Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Umaro wrote: »
    My problem with boot camp (besides my flat feet) would be that, for whatever reason, when people are screaming at me I can't help but laugh uncontrollably.

    This makes them angrier.

    that's what everybody thinks until they're actually getting screamed at and made to run up hills for three hours until they're ready to pass out from exhaustion

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    SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    it is much easier to break people physically

    Seph on
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    ShankusuShankusu __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Lol! wrote: »
    My problem with boot camp is I'm in terrible shape and don't do well with people shouting at me
    Family don't even get to shout at me unless we are full blown arguing
    If you're just yelling at me to try to establish authority I stop respecting you until you shut up

    ahahaha

    Shankusu on
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    JigrahJigrah Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    boot camp really doesn't have angry screaming

    nor did it ever, really

    hollywood sorta made that up

    From reading some military books about peoples accounts of Vietnam, yes there is screaming involved.

    Jigrah on
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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    the thing with basic is it's not just something you try for a couple weeks and see if you like it or not

    it's a contractual obligation

    you're making an important decision about the next few years of your life, at the very least, if not the rest of your life.

    which, since your country is at war if you live in north america, means that your life might in fact be extremely dangerous, stressful, and possibly short.

    Pony on
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    JigrahJigrah Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Umaro wrote: »
    My problem with boot camp (besides my flat feet) would be that, for whatever reason, when people are screaming at me I can't help but laugh uncontrollably.

    This makes them angrier.

    that's what everybody thinks until they're actually getting screamed at and made to run up hills for three hours until they're ready to pass out from exhaustion

    Yah, you learn to keep your bearing pretty quick.

    Jigrah on
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    Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Shankusu wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    My problem with boot camp is I'm in terrible shape and don't do well with people shouting at me
    Family don't even get to shout at me unless we are full blown arguing
    If you're just yelling at me to try to establish authority I stop respecting you until you shut up

    ahahaha

    I have a problem with LISTEN TO HOW LOUD I CAN GET DO WHAT I SAY BECAUSE I AM LOUD
    Fuck you
    That ain't earning my respect
    That's just being loud

    Me Too! on
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    JigrahJigrah Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pony wrote: »
    the thing with basic is it's not just something you try for a couple weeks and see if you like it or not

    it's a contractual obligation

    you're making an important decision about the next few years of your life, at the very least, if not the rest of your life.

    which, since your country is at war if you live in north america, means that your life might in fact be extremely dangerous, stressful, and possibly short.

    Shhh, we need more recruits if shit goes down with Iran, don't talk about the contract.

    Jigrah on
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