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ROUND TWO: FIGHT E: PRE-FIGHT DEBATE

Son of BeyonderSon of Beyonder From BeyondBeyondRegistered User regular
edited October 2006 in Graphic Violence
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MARTIAN MANHUNTER – Created by: Joseph Samachson and Joe Certa

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Superhuman strength, speed and endurance, Invulnerability, Invisibility, Intangibility, Shape Shifting, Telepathy, Flight, Martian vision

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GREEN LANTERN – Created by: John Broome and Gil Kane

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Power Ring can create objects out of tangible light, limited only by the user's imagination.

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IRON MAN – Created by: Stan Lee, Larry Lieber, Don Heck & Jack Kirby

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Genius-level intellect.
Wears suits of powered armor that endow him with superhuman abilities and supersonic flight.Body technologically altered to enhance armor response time. Able to manipulate all technology in the world through direct brain impulses.

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THOR – Created by: Stan Lee, Larry Lieber and Jack Kirby

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Superhuman Strength, Speed and Stamina, Semi-invulnerability, Flight (via Mjolnir), Weather Control, Force Blasts,

In all second round battles, heroes may choose to prepare only at their own facilities, or at the facilities of their supergroup. Heroes may match video of two of their three opponents. Heroes have TWENTY MINUTES outside of video time to prepare for battle. If a character opts out of the video, he still only has twenty minutes to prepare. Heroes come equipped with their standard equipment, and may equip one special item, provided that item is not a dues ex machina. Weaknesses that are not publicly known to the hero’s home universe/world will not be made available to the heroes during prep time. Heroes who already know of these weaknesses for whatever reason are not caused to forget this information.

VOTING WILL TAKE PLACE IN A SEPARATE THREAD. RULES FOR VOTING WILL BE POSTED UPON THAT THREAD’S OPENING. THE VOTING THREAD WILL OPEN IN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS.

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A: Mars surface: craterous, devoid of all life
B: Generic Earth suburb: homes, playground, baseball diamond, shopping mall
C: Rainforest
D: An active volcano
E: Segment of the Mississippi River, circa 1800’s. Contains steamboats and the like

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    ugh ugh ugh mr. beyonder does mm have to be in his shitty new costume


    anyways, yeah, Manhunter and Thor


    gods and martians are not bested by humans with fancy armor and rings

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  • Son of BeyonderSon of Beyonder From Beyond BeyondRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    ugh ugh ugh mr. beyonder does mm have to be in his shitty new costume

    YES

    YES HE DOES

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  • The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Well, Tony's screwed.

    Manhunter is safely through, as he can avoid/take out both Thor and Guy.

    Ultimatley, it comes to Guy versus Thor. Can Man's will best the Power of the Gods?

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2006
    Why is he in his new costume when we're using an old (weakness to fire) version of the character?

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2006
    Terrorbyte wrote:
    Why is he in his new costume when we're using an old (weakness to fire) version of the character?

    Oh jeez.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Manhunter and Thor.

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  • DharmaBumDharmaBum Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Manhunter and Thor.

    MM is obviously easily through but I just can't see Guy's Will besting the strength of a Norse God.

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Guy and MM.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Thor and Guy.

    Yeah.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Manhunter and Thor.

    We talked it enough earlier that I feel pretty good about those two.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    Manhunter and Thor.

    We talked it enough earlier that I feel pretty good about those two.
    I dunno, I bet as soon as MM sees the Mars surface he'll get all emo and let his guard down.

    And then get kicked into the volcano or something.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    There's a rainforest? I'm suddenly consumed by the image of J'onn turning, having just knocked Iron Man out and prepared to help Guy, and seeing Thor and Guy in a slugfest in the middle of the giant forest fire started by Thor's lightning storm. Thor knocks Guy out and Manhunter can't do anything to stop it.

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I don't think rainforests start on fire very easily because most wildfires start when conditions are dry and rainforests aren't very dry, because of all the rain, see.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Terrorbyte wrote:
    Why is he in his new costume when we're using an old (weakness to fire) version of the character?

    You're so predictable.

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    haha, oh man, I was reading the terrain wrong, and I thought the brown was the suburb and the red dot was the volcano and I was like awesome.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    When Thor gets mad, he throws around lots of lightning. Also, I see an active volcano, and lava is certainly a good way to start fires. What I am saying is: lots of flammable things+ multiple ways to start fires incidentally to the fight (not even needing to know about MM's weakness)= rough times for J'onn. Not so rough he won't move on, of course, unfortunately for Guy.

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  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Yet another match where no matter who wins it won't be an upset. Iron Man seems to be the weakest combatant in my eyes, followed by Guy then MM and finally Thor. Unless lightning and magic hammers are also subject to MM's phasing power thingy, in which case switch MM and Thor around.

    I think I'll go Thor and MM like everyone else. :)

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  • SpaceDrakeSpaceDrake Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Uh, Lantern is screwed against Tony. At worst, Tony will, like, strap a yellow flashlight to his arm. At best he'll modify the suit to emit yellow light from something that isn't as easy to disable. Either way, sadness for Lantern. Yellow, punch to the head, bikutorii for Tony.

    Then it's a huge 3-way throwdown between Iron Man, Thor and Manhunter that leaves the entire battlefield a smoking crater. Actually, since there is a volcano and thus some active lava in this battlefield I'm going to give the nod to Tony again, barely, as I suspect J'onn will end up taking a lava bath somehow. Also remember that Tony can simply download J'onn's fighting style into the suit, giving him a pretty major advantage. Barring cheap tricks, Iron Man can work over Captain America without issue so I could see him being able to at least survive agains J'onn for a good while. Thor will be immediately on top of course, one on one he could crush most of the guys here. (Without direct yellow light the fight against Lantern could be interesting, but in the end I can't see Lantern winning vs. Mjolnir. Clor one-shotted Goliath after all.)

    So I'ma break the trend a bit and say Thor and then Iron Man (by a whisker and probably with half his armor fractured at the end, but he'll still barely eke out.)

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    SpaceDrake wrote:
    Uh, Lantern is screwed against Tony. At worst, Tony will, like, strap a yellow flashlight to his arm. At best he'll modify the suit to emit yellow light from something that isn't as easy to disable. Either way, sadness for Lantern. Yellow, punch to the head, bikutorii for Tony.

    Then it's a huge 3-way throwdown between Iron Man, Thor and Manhunter that leaves the entire battlefield a smoking crater. Actually, since there is a volcano and thus some active lava in this battlefield I'm going to give the nod to Tony again, barely, as I suspect J'onn will end up taking a lava bath somehow. Also remember that Tony can simply download J'onn's fighting style into the suit, giving him a pretty major advantage. Barring cheap tricks, Iron Man can work over Captain America without issue so I could see him being able to at least survive agains J'onn for a good while. Thor will be immediately on top of course, one on one he could crush most of the guys here. (Without direct yellow light the fight against Lantern could be interesting, but in the end I can't see Lantern winning vs. Mjolnir. Clor one-shotted Goliath after all.)

    So I'ma break the trend a bit and say Thor and then Iron Man (by a whisker and probably with half his armor fractured at the end, but he'll still barely eke out.)
    1. Guy has no problem with yellow
    2. Beating Captain America has nothing to do with fighting Martian Manhunter

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Captain America is not nearly the same as J'onn.

    J'onn can take way more fucking damage, and oh yeah, just phase his arm right through Tony's armor.

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  • Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    How is beating Captain America anything like fighting a guy who's like Superman, only better? Can Captain America do stuff I've not seen? First people think he can beat Wonder Woman, then they think fighting him is comparable in any way to fighting MM? I like Cap, but come on.

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  • SpaceDrakeSpaceDrake Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    1. Guy has no problem with yellow

    Wait, WTF? I thought yellow was the crux of the Green Lantern weakness and the only thing that made them beatable. If Guy isn't stopped by yellow he'll win the whole thing because the ring just, like, lets him unmake the other three. :| He just has to think "oh hey, I think I want their blood to become plasma" or "how about they all get hit with 1000 spears of light from every direction" and bam, instant win.

    He has to be weak to something, and I was under the impression it's yellow light.
    2. Beating Captain America has nothing to do with fighting Martian Manhunter

    I meant in the fact that the armor will be able to anticipate what J'onn is doing, just like it does in other fights. Especially with 20 minutes video time (probably 7 minutes or so MM watching time) the armor could learn a lot.
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    Captain America is not nearly the same as J'onn.

    J'onn can take way more fucking damage, and oh yeah, just phase his arm right through Tony's armor.

    I'll grant that, too, though I think Tony may have a chance if he can stay out of melee and somehow get J'onn to take a lava bath.

    Still though... if this Green Lantern isn't weak to yellow, he is going to wreck everybody's shit in this fight. As good as J'onn and Thor are, GL is wielding the most powerful weapon in the universe.

    I am right about one thing though - there'll be nothing left of the battlefield by the time this is over. :D

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    It is all about J'onn and Thor. J'onn has probably my favorite powers of any superhero ever. Invulnerability, invisibility, intangibility, and shapeshifting? Game over man, game over.

    And Thor is just Thor. He can take it and he can dish it out, plain and simple.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I think you're over-estimating the power ring.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2006
    Wow, terrain.

    IM and Thor, teamed up. The volcano + the forest = enough fire to take the martian out.

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2006
    Martian Manhunter and Guy have a strategic edge with J'onn's telepathy. The volcano isn't going to do much with a big green shield around J'onn. Still, on Guy's best day, he couldn't take down a Superman-class guy like Thor. He'll provide enough of a defense to allow J'onn to take Iron Man out of the game, but Thor ain't gonna be stopped even by Guy's full willpower level.

    It's a heated battle with just about everyone gettin' a good pounding. But, at the end of the day, Martian Manhunter and Thor are just too effin' tough and smart to be taken down. Guy and Tony are resourceful, but just completely outclassed when all is said and done.

    So, J'onn and Thor move on by the skin of their teeth.

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  • SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    This fight has Tony so screwed...

    I would say that if the Marvel guys would team up, I can't see the DC guys not following suit, and I think after being Iron Man quickly, I think Guy and J'onn could beat Thor as both characters can be very resourceful.

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  • VapidVapid Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Guy and MM. Their powers are so much more complimentary to the others compared to IM and Thor.

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  • CharmyCharmy Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    There's really no way Iron Man can stand up to Guy. They're both technology based, but it's like comparing sticks and stones to the atom bomb. Tony's tech is impressive for Earth standards, but the Power Ring is just on a far higher level.

    Tony comes at Guy in the powersuit, and just to be a dick Guy uses his ring to form an even better powersuit. Then he kicks the shit out of Tony while making mocking him.

    Thor vs Martian Manhunter is a tight one, but I really see this coming down to a 2 on 2 fight along company lines. Tony goes out relatively easily, then MM and Guy are able to team Thor.

    MM/Guy for the win.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    MM and Thor all the way. Guy is awesome, but no way he can go toe to toe with Thor.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2006
    IM and Thor would team up because they're Avengers, not Marvel characters.

    Same thing with GL and MM, cept replace Avengers with Justice League and Marvel with DC.

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  • CharmyCharmy Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    IM and Thor would team up because they're Avengers, not Marvel characters.

    Same thing with GL and MM, cept replace Avengers with Justice League and Marvel with DC.

    Well, yeah. Of course. I just wrote "company lines" because it was faster than writing that one side would be former Avengers and the other side Justice League. It amounts to the same thing, so I didn't really see the need to split hairs over it, especially when it's been referenced a bunch of times already.

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    MM and Thor all the way. Guy is awesome, but no way he can go toe to toe with Thor.

    No, he probably couldn't go toe to toe with Thor, thats what J'onn is for. J'onn would instantly be able to size up both Iron Man and Thor, and realize Thor would be the biggest threat.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Bad Karma wrote:
    Marathon wrote:
    MM and Thor all the way. Guy is awesome, but no way he can go toe to toe with Thor.

    No, he probably couldn't go toe to toe with Thor, thats what J'onn is for. J'onn would instantly be able to size up both Iron Man and Thor, and realize Thor would be the biggest threat.

    True, the outcome of these matches really depends on who goes after who. With only 4 contestants things are pretty limited.

    I think Guy could take IM, not sure about MM vs. Thor though.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Remember these dudes know eachother.

    The second Tony hears he'll be fighting MM, he'll be like "Thor wear a psi blocker, and I'll install a flamethrower."

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I totally forgot about them knowing each other. I had Thor in first place with Guy coming in second. But MM and Guy Vs Thor and Im, the outcome of that i'm not sure about.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Im sure Tony would equip some flame throwers for his suit. He can watch some tapes of MM and easily add them to the suit. The problem there is that MM is also as fast as Superman. MM can fly up to IM and punch his head off before Tony can start shooting fire.

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  • Canada_jezusCanada_jezus Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    Im sure Tony would equip some flame throwers for his suit. He can watch some tapes of MM and easily add them to the suit. The problem there is that MM is also as fast as Superman. MM can fly up to IM and punch his head off before Tony can start shooting fire.

    Yeah? I thought IM had uber machinelike reflexces and everything. No idea though, i've never actually read any of the comics these guys are from. (Cept civil war and thor fighting the hulk)

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Marathon wrote:
    Im sure Tony would equip some flame throwers for his suit. He can watch some tapes of MM and easily add them to the suit. The problem there is that MM is also as fast as Superman. MM can fly up to IM and punch his head off before Tony can start shooting fire.

    Yeah? I thought IM had uber machinelike reflexces and everything. No idea though, i've never actually read any of the comics these guys are from. (Cept civil war and thor fighting the hulk)

    Im sure his suit gives him all sorts of hightened reflexes but MM can move almost as fast as the flash if he is anything like Supes. So when dealing with that kind of speed, which IM has never had to do since Marvel characters don't go that fast, I don't think the suit will be enough to help.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    What's Iron Man's suit made of? Vibranium?

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