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Presidential Debates: The Second. Time to townhall

ElkiElki get busyModerator, ClubPA mod
edited October 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
WARNING: There is the only warning you'll get about not filling this thread with stuff unrelated to the debate.


Location: Nashville, TN

Time: 9:00 EDT / 8:00 PM CDT

Moderator: Tom Brokaw

Rules:
Under the deal, the moderator may not ask followups or make comments. The person who asks the question will not be allowed a follow-up either, and his or her microphone will be turned off after the question is read. A camera shot will only be shown of the person asking -- not reacting.

While there will be director's chairs (with backs and foot rests), McCain and Obama will be allowed to stand -- but they can't roam past their "designated area" to be marked on the stage. McCain and Obama are not supposed to ask each other direct questions.

[snip]

[T]he candidates are banned during the debates from moving to the other side -- and from wielding proposed pledges.

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  • duallainduallain Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    What does the ban on "wielding proposed pledges" mean?

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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I don't think I'll be watching tomorrow night. Just seeing McCain on stage is enough to turn me off. He's just completely turned me against anything good I might have felt towards him at one time.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    What is the topic of this debate?

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  • CoffeyCoffey Terre Haute, IndianaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Are these rules different from the first debate and the VP debate because they're worded strangely.

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  • GlaealGlaeal Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    What is the topic of this debate?

    The Economy.

    And Ayers.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    What is the topic of this debate?

    Isn't it voter submitted questions?

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  • JohnDoeJohnDoe Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    WARNING: There is the only warning you'll get about not filling this thread with stuff unrelated to the debate.


    Location: Nashville, TN

    Time: 9:00 EDT / 8:00 PM CDT

    Moderator: Tom Brokaw

    Rules:
    Under the deal, the moderator may not ask followups or make comments. The person who asks the question will not be allowed a follow-up either, and his or her microphone will be turned off after the question is read. A camera shot will only be shown of the person asking -- not reacting.

    While there will be director's chairs (with backs and foot rests), McCain and Obama will be allowed to stand -- but they can't roam past their "designated area" to be marked on the stage. McCain and Obama are not supposed to ask each other direct questions.

    [snip]

    [T]he candidates are banned during the debates from moving to the other side -- and from wielding proposed pledges.

    What a stupid rule.

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  • VothVoth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    WARNING: There is the only warning you'll get about not filling this thread with stuff unrelated to the debate.


    Location: Nashville, TN

    Time: 9:00 EDT / 8:00 PM CDT

    Moderator: Tom Brokaw

    Rules:
    Under the deal, the moderator may not ask followups or make comments. The person who asks the question will not be allowed a follow-up either, and his or her microphone will be turned off after the question is read. A camera shot will only be shown of the person asking -- not reacting.

    While there will be director's chairs (with backs and foot rests), McCain and Obama will be allowed to stand -- but they can't roam past their "designated area" to be marked on the stage. McCain and Obama are not supposed to ask each other direct questions.

    [snip]

    [T]he candidates are banned during the debates from moving to the other side -- and from wielding proposed pledges.

    What a stupid rule.

    That's too bad about the followups, but I'm sure everyone will get tired of saying "You didn't answer my question" after the fourth person mentions it.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Why can't we just have a normal question and answer session? Surely there must be someone in the country that both candidates will agree is acceptable? And if you can't do that, have each of them pick 1 person, and have 2 moderators each having 45 minutes each or something.

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  • Joe ChemoJoe Chemo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Coffey wrote: »
    Are these rules different from the first debate and the VP debate because they're worded strangely.

    Yes, this is a town hall styled debate. More informal, intimate style. In theory, at least.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Joe Chemo wrote: »
    Coffey wrote: »
    Are these rules different from the first debate and the VP debate because they're worded strangely.

    Yes, this is a town hall styled debate. More informal, intimate style. In theory, at least.

    That's what they're suggesting, but I'm not sure how I feel about them not being allowed to interact with each other

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  • CoffeyCoffey Terre Haute, IndianaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So a question is read to Obama, he answers. Then a question is read to McCain and he answers. How exactly is that "debating?" There won't be any follow-up questions and they can't interact with each other...

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Yeah, this format sounds terrible.

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  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sooooooo basically McCain will be allowed to lie as much as he wants and not be challenged on it? .... um. fun -_- .

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I doubt that either candidate is going to let anything go unchallenged tonight. We're going to see Obama and McCain ascend to Palin-level redirection or outright not answering the posed questions in favor of hitting each other over previous comments.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    im betting you will see less people watch this debate than the last 2 by about 30%

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So hopefully the candidates are given time to do follow up since neither the moderator nor the voter are given a chance to.

    Essentially this is exactly like the VP debate, but the questions are coming from audience members instead of the so called moderator.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    im betting you will see less people watch this debate than the last 2 by about 30%

    It will certainly have less viewers than the VP debate.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/829882.html
    "The phoniest claim in a campaign that's been full of them is that Barack Obama's going to cut your taxes," Palin told the cheering crowd in Clearwater. "Think about it. He's built his whole career on doling out tax money."

    That material plays well with GOP voters already skeptical of Obama. Adelle Blackman, for example, said she doesn't trust him. Like many in the Republican base, she's frightened by Internet rumors that Obama is a closet Muslim with ties to unfriendly countries in the Middle East. She's not swayed by numerous news stories dispelling the claims, saying the "mainstream media" is protecting Obama.

    "I wouldn't be surprised if he was the Anti-Christ," said Blackman, a Tarpon Springs resident. "Really. I'm serious."
    D:

    Edit: Sorry, wrong thread.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/829882.html
    "The phoniest claim in a campaign that's been full of them is that Barack Obama's going to cut your taxes," Palin told the cheering crowd in Clearwater. "Think about it. He's built his whole career on doling out tax money."

    That material plays well with GOP voters already skeptical of Obama. Adelle Blackman, for example, said she doesn't trust him. Like many in the Republican base, she's frightened by Internet rumors that Obama is a closet Muslim with ties to unfriendly countries in the Middle East. She's not swayed by numerous news stories dispelling the claims, saying the "mainstream media" is protecting Obama.

    "I wouldn't be surprised if he was the Anti-Christ," said Blackman, a Tarpon Springs resident. "Really. I'm serious."
    D:


    don't seem so surprised im sure there are people out there saying "I wouldn't be surprised if he was the messiah". but you don't hear from those people because they are lunatics where as the anti-christ people are lunatics hiding behind established doctrine.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You failed to bold the part where she feels confident that he's the antichrist.

    Also, looking at the format for this debate makes it clear why McCain was such a fan.

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hmm. Perhaps I can get this on the radio on my way home from work tonight.

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  • necroSYSnecroSYS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/829882.html
    "The phoniest claim in a campaign that's been full of them is that Barack Obama's going to cut your taxes," Palin told the cheering crowd in Clearwater. "Think about it. He's built his whole career on doling out tax money."

    That material plays well with GOP voters already skeptical of Obama. Adelle Blackman, for example, said she doesn't trust him. Like many in the Republican base, she's frightened by Internet rumors that Obama is a closet Muslim with ties to unfriendly countries in the Middle East. She's not swayed by numerous news stories dispelling the claims, saying the "mainstream media" is protecting Obama.

    "I wouldn't be surprised if he was the Anti-Christ," said Blackman, a Tarpon Springs resident. "Really. I'm serious."
    D:

    Honestly, how many code words for "black" do you need?

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  • necroSYSnecroSYS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    You failed to bold the part where she feels confident that he's the antichrist.

    Also, looking at the format for this debate makes it clear why McCain was such a fan.

    Yeah, the format definitely favors his current campaign rhetoric. The only way Obama wins is to not play by the debate rules (without obviously being seen to deviate from them).

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I, too, am frightened by Internet rumors that Obama is a closet muslin with ties to unfriendly countries in the Middle East. The fact that such rumors have credence with anybody frightens me.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    If anything, I hope this election puts to rest among clueless white people the ideas that racism is a thing of the past, that said racism is relegated to backwoods hicks in the southeast, and that racists are the exclusive property of the Republican party.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    wwtMask wrote: »
    If anything, I hope this election puts to rest among clueless white people the ideas that racism is a thing of the past, that said racism is relegated to backwoods hicks in the southeast, and that racists are the exclusive property of the Republican party.

    Honestly, if Obama wins, I expect them fully to state that "See, a black guy was elected to the President, thus proof racism is dead."

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I fully expect this, and just for irony, for the same people to picket any event he goes to with racist signs.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    wwtMask wrote: »
    I fully expect this, and just for irony, for the same people to picket any event he goes to with racist signs.

    The Inaguration will be so scary, until they get Riot Hose'd and German Sheperd'd.

    They'd better bring raincoats!

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The debate format doesn't seem to leave much in the way of exciting moments. The questions are screened ahead of time I assume?

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  • Armored GorillaArmored Gorilla Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cantido wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    I fully expect this, and just for irony, for the same people to picket any event he goes to with racist signs.

    The Inaguration will be so scary, until they get Riot Hose'd and German Sheperd'd.

    They'd better bring raincoats!

    Man, how appropriate would that be?

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cantido wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    I fully expect this, and just for irony, for the same people to picket any event he goes to with racist signs.

    The Inaguration will be so scary, until they get Riot Hose'd and German Sheperd'd.

    They'd better bring raincoats!

    Man, how appropriate would that be?

    Not very. :|

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cantido wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    I fully expect this, and just for irony, for the same people to picket any event he goes to with racist signs.

    The Inaguration will be so scary, until they get Riot Hose'd and German Sheperd'd.

    They'd better bring raincoats!

    Man, how appropriate would that be?

    I can't wait for Boondocks Season 3. <3

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    duallain wrote: »
    What does the ban on "wielding proposed pledges" mean?

    Its the Rick Lazio Rule. In 2000, Rick Lazio went across stage to try to get HRC to "sign a pledge." I can't find the video now but it was controversial beacuse it seemed like Lazio was trying to physically intimidate HRC.
    Recent Newsday article mentioning it because of the Palin-Biden debate
    Eight years ago, Rick Lazio walked across a debate stage in Buffalo and stuffed a campaign pledge in front of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    That move, perceived as bullying and chauvinistic, cemented his place in political history as an example of what not to do during a debate with a female opponent, political experts said yesterday.

    Lazio yesterday acknowledged in an interview that he made a mistake, mainly in underestimating how the audience would react to such a move.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cantido wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    I fully expect this, and just for irony, for the same people to picket any event he goes to with racist signs.

    The Inaguration will be so scary, until they get Riot Hose'd and German Sheperd'd.

    The Inauguration of the President is actually one of the most organized and heavily protected events in the world. Not only do you have the President, but you'll have every important member of the US government, many business and cultural leaders, thousands of onlookers (almost all pre-selected) and foreign dignitaries. Its a reassertion of Democracy in America where the losing side graciously concedes power. There's no way protesters get anywhere near the President.

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  • Fallout2manFallout2man Vault Dweller Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I hope they ask my question (submitted one online) but I somehow doubt it. I've been trying to get a candidate to give a firm answer on their beliefs regarding IP law since the primaries all to no avail.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I hope they ask my question (submitted one online) but I somehow doubt it. I've been trying to get a candidate to give a firm answer on their beliefs regarding IP law since the primaries all to no avail.

    I'm 99% positive I read something on Slashdot about Obama's stance on IP laws (this would have been during the primaries). Let me see if I can find it.

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    This debate format is atrocious, and will lead to either a "question->attack opponent->next question" format or "question->bullshit->next question"

    There's nothing in it that's even slightly town hall (the questions are picked by the moderator, woo), makes it any more intimate (there's LESS interaction than the normal debate format!), or any more insightful.

    Why the fuck are they doing this inane format?

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    kildy wrote: »
    This debate format is atrocious, and will lead to either a "question->attack opponent->next question" format or "question->bullshit->next question"

    There's nothing in it that's even slightly town hall (the questions are picked by the moderator, woo), makes it any more intimate (there's LESS interaction than the normal debate format!), or any more insightful.

    Why the fuck are they doing this inane format?

    McCain bitched about it and threatened to take his ball home. For real though, since they threw a bone to McCain, I want another debate to be all about speechifying.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I hope they ask my question (submitted one online) but I somehow doubt it. I've been trying to get a candidate to give a firm answer on their beliefs regarding IP law since the primaries all to no avail.

    I doubt either will since its a fringe issue among non-nerds. However, I would point out, one of Obama's chief advisers on such matters is Lawrence Lessig and John McCain doesn't know how to use a computer.

    In case people missed it the first time around, Lawrence Lessig on why is he is 4Barack
    edit Sorry for poor youtube quality, better available at lessig.org

    edit 2 Damn, my bad, forgot this was the debate thread and not the general President thread

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