Star Wars: TFU (Ultimate Sith Edition out in US on PC, check thread)

Visti

This is one of my favorite action games. However, I sold it to get some other swag and because I had played it to death. Now DLC? God damn it.

I'm gonna have to buy it back again.

MHYoshimitzu

So is this the same Jedi Temple level as before? Where is the love for the people who bought this game on Day One?

Zoku Gojira

AnteCantelope wrote: »

I had one really big problem with the story:

I thought it was great before Vader says the whole thing was the Emperor's plot to destroy the rebels. That's a pretty lame twist, I thought, whereas the idea that Vader plotted the whole thing in order to distract the Emperor and take over was a great idea. For most of the game I loved the story, and the end was just kinda disappointing.

See, I interpreted that a different way.

Vader wanted to overthrow the Emperor, just as he did in The Empire Strikes Back. But he was outmaneuvered. There's a long history of this kind of thing with the Sith, so the Emperor didn't even need his prescience to see Vader's betrayal coming. He used him, and in the end was probably rather proud of Vader for showing such initiative.

For his part, Vader knew the time wasn't right from the moment the wrinkled old despot sniffed out his secret apprentice, and went along with the plan.

Houn

In the Graphic Novel:

The Emperor is not on Vader's ship when he forces Vader to "kill" the apprentice. In the graphic novel, it's the droid pretending to be the Emperor. Take that for what you will.

Nocren

Houn wrote: »

In the Graphic Novel:

The Emperor is not on Vader's ship when he forces Vader to "kill" the apprentice. In the graphic novel, it's the droid pretending to be the Emperor. Take that for what you will.

Well...

PROXY could have been used by the Emperor to command Vader. Or did Pally not know about the droid's existence as well?

Or to take it another way, PROXY's primary directive was to kill the apprentice. Maybe he figured if he dressed up as the Emperor, he could convince Vader to do it and then he would fulfill his programming.

AnteCantelope

Zoku Gojira wrote: »

AnteCantelope wrote: »

I had one really big problem with the story:

I thought it was great before Vader says the whole thing was the Emperor's plot to destroy the rebels. That's a pretty lame twist, I thought, whereas the idea that Vader plotted the whole thing in order to distract the Emperor and take over was a great idea. For most of the game I loved the story, and the end was just kinda disappointing.

See, I interpreted that a different way.

Vader wanted to overthrow the Emperor, just as he did in The Empire Strikes Back. But he was outmaneuvered. There's a long history of this kind of thing with the Sith, so the Emperor didn't even need his prescience to see Vader's betrayal coming. He used him, and in the end was probably rather proud of Vader for showing such initiative.

For his part, Vader knew the time wasn't right from the moment the wrinkled old despot sniffed out his secret apprentice, and went along with the plan.

The emperor claims that it was his idea from the start, but of course that doesn't mean he's telling the truth. I'm sure that Vader's plot was never to just take the Emperor on, assuming that the apprentice would even the fight out, so either vader was planning to assemble the rebellion and the emperor used that plan for his own ends (which makes a kind of sense, especially given that it's a pretty risky plan), or it was the emperor's plan from the outset. The game presents the second one, and while it's possible that the first one was implied, there's really not enough evidence to say that's it for sure. All I'm really asking is that the second one isn't true, because the little reveal of 'this was the Emperor's plan all along' was the weakest part of the game for me.

And I'm pretty sure that Vader can tell the difference between the Emperor and a robot, which would mean that the Emperor was using proxy to pass along a message. It would explain why when the apprentice says "we can take him", Vader doesn't even bother trying.

HyperAquaBlast

Man I blame the Emo generation for making this game what it is. Being angsty evil is so cool. They also screwed up Spider-Man. The past 3 games have had something to do with the black suit.

Man I can't wait till being happy go lucky goody gumdrops becomes cool.

Houn

I'm pretty sure...

It really was the emperor's idea all along. I seem to recall an interview where the guy that wrote it pretty much says it, but don't ask me to go dig it up now. Far too long ago.

GoodKingJayIII

HyperAquaBlast wrote: »

Man I blame the Emo generation for making this game what it is. Being angsty evil is so cool. They also screwed up Spider-Man. The past 3 games have had something to do with the black suit.

Man I can't wait till being happy go lucky goody gumdrops becomes cool.

Seriously? You think Starkiller is angsty. Luke is more angsty than he is. Daddy issues? Definitely. But that's almost part 'n parcel for a Star Wars story.

And it's a really great Star Wars story, if you ask me. As I said once before, it's a bit over the top with all the Superman Force power stuff. But the writing, the acting, the premise: it's all solid space opera. I didn't expect much, but it turned out to be more interesting than the prequels. Better, too.

Mustachio Jones

I played this for a bit at a buddy's house, then got the demo and played it twice, and kind of want to pick it up now, but I'll wait for the PC super version.

It's fun, but it still isn't JK4.

HyperAquaBlast

GoodKingJayIII wrote: »

HyperAquaBlast wrote: »

Man I blame the Emo generation for making this game what it is. Being angsty evil is so cool. They also screwed up Spider-Man. The past 3 games have had something to do with the black suit.

Man I can't wait till being happy go lucky goody gumdrops becomes cool.

Seriously? You think Starkiller is angsty. Luke is more angsty than he is. Daddy issues? Definitely. But that's almost part 'n parcel for a Star Wars story.

And it's a really great Star Wars story, if you ask me. As I said once before, it's a bit over the top with all the Superman Force power stuff. But the writing, the acting, the premise: it's all solid space opera. I didn't expect much, but it turned out to be more interesting than the prequels. Better, too.

Yeah I don't know where I was going with that. Its just the whole "unleash" thing that gets me. I just finished the game and I'm still more satisfied with the story and the cutscenes then the actual gameplay. The new characters were pretty good although I didn't understand Proxy with his comms part. But yeah I enjoyed it a lot but doubt I'll play through again. Will probably watch cutscenes every so often.

I don't care for over the top tearing shit up and fucking up badguys as much as you can. Main reason why I didn't snatch the game up when it came out. I like subtle uses of the force and its mystical background. And lightsabers needing no more then 2 strikes. Lightsabers should be treated as BFGs in games. You will easily rape any humanoid but large monsters and robots may need a little more effort. Although this will never work very well for a game.

I would have liked the story they wanted to tell have been done in a different gaming style since it has become canon and a official in between story of the trilogies.

Morninglord

A jedi knight with this games destruction and throwing system and the lightsaber combat of jedi knight.

I would basically discorporate out of my chair after turning it on, like Tron.

Spoit

Obviously, it would be too computationally intensive for PCs, but a Wii/PSP version would be made, along with the ngage port

randombattle

HyperAquaBlast wrote: »

GoodKingJayIII wrote: »

HyperAquaBlast wrote: »

Man I blame the Emo generation for making this game what it is. Being angsty evil is so cool. They also screwed up Spider-Man. The past 3 games have had something to do with the black suit.

Man I can't wait till being happy go lucky goody gumdrops becomes cool.

Seriously? You think Starkiller is angsty. Luke is more angsty than he is. Daddy issues? Definitely. But that's almost part 'n parcel for a Star Wars story.

And it's a really great Star Wars story, if you ask me. As I said once before, it's a bit over the top with all the Superman Force power stuff. But the writing, the acting, the premise: it's all solid space opera. I didn't expect much, but it turned out to be more interesting than the prequels. Better, too.

Yeah I don't know where I was going with that. Its just the whole "unleash" thing that gets me. I just finished the game and I'm still more satisfied with the story and the cutscenes then the actual gameplay. The new characters were pretty good although I didn't understand Proxy with his comms part. But yeah I enjoyed it a lot but doubt I'll play through again. Will probably watch cutscenes every so often.

I don't care for over the top tearing shit up and fucking up badguys as much as you can. Main reason why I didn't snatch the game up when it came out. I like subtle uses of the force and its mystical background. And lightsabers needing no more then 2 strikes. Lightsabers should be treated as BFGs in games. You will easily rape any humanoid but large monsters and robots may need a little more effort. Although this will never work very well for a game.

I would have liked the story they wanted to tell have been done in a different gaming style since it has become canon and a official in between story of the trilogies.

I definitely agree this would of been a great story for a more story oriented genre. Something along the lines of KOTOR would of been so great for the story instead of a fairly generic action game.

Silpheed

Since a friend of mine ran a PnP SW game a few weeks ago I had some look at his source books and saw that most of the cast from the movies were listed there, complete with stats and their "class". I was just curious if there ever was some kind of official supplement that described the Apprentice together with his (most probably hilariously overpowered) stats and class choice?

Nocren

Yep and I own it. It's called, surprisingly enough The Force Unleashed sourcebook.
They added Unleashed abilities that let you do outragous over the top stuff once per adventure (somewhere between force and destiny point usage).

Also, Morninglord needs to change the thread title. I saw on the xbox marketplace that the Tatoone mission is available for download now.

If you want, I'll PM you the characte details when I get the book back.

Silpheed

Nocren wrote: »

Yep and I own it. It's called, surprisingly enough The Force Unleashed sourcebook.
They added Unleashed abilities that let you do outragous over the top stuff once per adventure (somewhere between force and destiny point usage).

Also, Morninglord needs to change the thread title. I saw on the xbox marketplace that the Tatoone mission is available for download now.

If you want, I'll PM you the characte details when I get the book back.

Sure, I'd appreciate that.

EDIT: Am I the only one who'd love to see some sort combination of the Force Unleashed/Jedi Outcasts gameplay and the RPG mechanics and dialogue system of the Knight of the old Republic games?

Fig-D

Silpheed wrote: »

Nocren wrote: »

Yep and I own it. It's called, surprisingly enough The Force Unleashed sourcebook.
They added Unleashed abilities that let you do outragous over the top stuff once per adventure (somewhere between force and destiny point usage).

Also, Morninglord needs to change the thread title. I saw on the xbox marketplace that the Tatoone mission is available for download now.

If you want, I'll PM you the characte details when I get the book back.

Sure, I'd appreciate that.

EDIT: Am I the only one who'd love to see some sort combination of the Force Unleashed/Jedi Outcasts gameplay and the RPG mechanics and dialogue system of the Knight of the old Republic games?

I think that's everyone. Like, ever. I would play the shit out of a game like that.

Houn

Op should be updated with the new Sith Edition info, if anything.

bloodatonement

That teaser video does look pretty sick, but no way i am buying the game again. It will get a rental, though. Better work with my regular edition saves.

Houn

I might wait a bit, and pick it up for PS3.

Silpheed

If the new Sith edition content were to be sold as a collection DLC I'd buy it but there's no way in hell that I'll rebuy the game again for fullprice, no matter how much I love it.

Although I have to say that I'm having vain hopes that Lucas Arts are trying the waters to see if there's an interest in a TFU sequel with the Sith edition.

VoodooV

Sith Edition is going to be full price? That can't be right can it? It's the same game with a few extra levels and some skins

Shouldn't it be like $30-$40?

darthatton

It is, at least according to Gamestop.

VoodooV

I'm a cheap bastard. I was all ready to buy the original once it got into the bargain bin. But held off once I heard about this. But something tells me it won't take long for the Sith Edition to be <$20 too

Silpheed

Even if the U.S retailers would have sold this at half-price I just know that the EU retailers would have probably flogged it for fullprice anyways.

Kylogue

Houn wrote: »

I'm pretty sure...

It really was the emperor's idea all along. I seem to recall an interview where the guy that wrote it pretty much says it, but don't ask me to go dig it up now. Far too long ago.

I'll say it isn't for one reason..

Vader was the one that didn't kill the kid. He probably had to make an excuse as to why he didn't kill him, as I don't think Vader could cloak his presence from Palpatine

Spoit

I bought, beat, and goozexed it on the PS3. I might pick up the sith version when the PC version drops to below $20. So probably before the end of the year.

Morninglord

I haven't really been paying attention to this game lately, I ran out of ridiculous glitched combos to mess around with and forgot about it while playing other things.

Can someone pm me what they want me to update the op with and I will do that.

Ashcroft

Is it true that the Sith version is going to have some extra content that they're not going to be releasing as DLC? That would be balls.

bloodatonement

Ashcroft wrote: »

Is it true that the Sith version is going to have some extra content that they're not going to be releasing as DLC? That would be balls.

Yes

Hoth w/ a fight against Luke

Ashcroft

Guess I'll have to pass on the new DLC then, and pick up the Sith version when it hits the bargain bins. I'll think again when buying DLC from these guys again. Seems insane to tell 6 million people that bought your game that they can't get all the added content though. Why annoy/pass over that market? Do they think they'll pay full price for the Sith version?

bloodatonement

I think they do. The DLC all seemed pretty over priced to me anyway. $10 for 1 level is steep. I think $15 for all 3 new missions would be fair.

Eat it You Nasty Pig.

So, is the sith version just going to have a couple new levels and extend the dark side ending?

Nocren

And the 20 or so costumes/character swaps.

Kitsuna

Hmmm...

I'll admit it. The Sith Edition has me interested.

Whether or not I pick it up depends on how much cash I'll have to part with, though. As interesting as it sounds, I simply can't see myself paying full price for it.

Oh well, time to cross my fingers and hope they don't charge full game prices for it, otherwise I'll probably end up waiting until it goes on sale at half price.

bloodatonement

Amazon lists it at $40

Kitsuna

bloodatonement wrote: »

Amazon lists it at $40

Hmmm... nice and affordable. That's the good news.

However, since I live in England, there's bad news that makes online ordering a lot less attractive. Ordering online means that it will have to come through Royal Mail. That is not a particularly appealing proposition at the moment because there's likely to be widespread strike action in the forseeable future.

Hamju

So, this came out for PC today. Anybody have it? How does it compare to the 360 version?

bloodatonement

Giving this game a Sith Master run through. Morninglord++ for all the tips over this and the previous thread. The multigrab really is a killer move. Grabbing a trooper and 2 purges and then throwing all three in to a laser makes the last big room a lot simpler. Also fun to play this again, now that I have a hdtv, it's pretty.

I reallize this thread is pretty dead, but any one play the new levels? What's the difficulty level on them? ie could you fire up a new save and play them, or do you need to be leveled up pretty far to survive?