Marvel: What do you think we pay you for?

Porph

Looks like some artists at Marvel are going to have to start working for a living again.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=13

It is the first article on the page. Essentially, Marvel is emphasizing that they expect all artwork submitted to them to be original. Reference material is okay, but no more tracing.

I for one am happy about this, but I've actually seen some people upset because they rather have photo-realism than original content.

projectmayhem

I rather have my stuff on time rather than seeing Wolverine drawn in a new light every time.

hughtron

Instead of telling Greg Land he was fired they just mailed him this letter

OR

Ultimate Power #2 is never coming out

OR

LOL GREG LAND

GABBO GABBO GABBO

I suspect that this is done to protect them from lawsuits more than anything else.
I doubt that Claudia Schiffer really wanted to be in a Fantastic Four comic.

Munch

I hope Greg Land starves to death now.

Terrorbyte

Munch wrote:

I hope Greg Land starves to death now.

They put him on suicide watch immediately after the letter was released.

SatanIsMyMotor

Do you people seriously not like Greg Land? WTF is your problem?

Bad Karma

SatanIsMyMotor wrote:

Do you people seriously not like Greg Land? WTF is your problem?

I dunno..maybe it's the tracing? Swiping other artists pictures for his own? The fact that he can't draw the same character in the same way...in the same book?

Chuckle Chuckle.

hughtron

I don't mind Land most of the time. I actually really liked his work in Ultimate Fantastic Four.

hughtron

And seriously, going to that much effort to nitpick the continuity of Sue Storm's hair is Way Lame.

SatanIsMyMotor

I think Land is a great artist and I see nothing wrong with what he's doing. Also, that guy with the blog in that link above needs to get out of the fucking house.

saint2e

nnNNNNNNNNEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD!!!

Munch

Greg Land gets paid a lot of money (high profile artists can make $200+ per page, plus royalties) to basically lay a magazine on a lightbox and trace it. This results in unnatural poses and facial expressions that don't match the scene, and the appearance of characters differing from one panel to the next. As an wannabe artist who has always wanted to draw comics, it offends me that a guy like Land can get paid to trace pornstars, actors, and other comic artists' art.

Blackjack

I fully believe that Land can draw.

He just hasn't in a very long time.

hughtron

Munch wrote:

Greg Land gets paid a lot of money (high profile artists can make $200+ per page, plus royalties) to basically lay a magazine on a lightbox and trace it. This results in unnatural poses and facial expressions that don't match the scene, and the appearance of characters differing from one panel to the next. As an wannabe artist who has always wanted to draw comics, it offends me that a guy like Land can get paid to trace pornstars, actors, and other comic artists' art.

Wait. So he just cuts out the latest E! article about the Super Skrull and traces it? I guess he must have gotten that picture of the Thing from the latest Entertainment Weekly, right?

SatanIsMyMotor

Munch wrote:

Greg Land gets paid a lot of money (high profile artists can make $200+ per page, plus royalties) to basically lay a magazine on a lightbox and trace it. This results in unnatural poses and facial expressions that don't match the scene, and the appearance of characters differing from one panel to the next. As an wannabe artist who has always wanted to draw comics, it offends me that a guy like Land can get paid to trace pornstars, actors, and other comic artists' art.

Why do you think Greg Land is a "high profile artist"?

SA

Coming up on hard times for Greg Land, eh?

SA

hughtron wrote:

Munch wrote:

Greg Land gets paid a lot of money (high profile artists can make $200+ per page, plus royalties) to basically lay a magazine on a lightbox and trace it. This results in unnatural poses and facial expressions that don't match the scene, and the appearance of characters differing from one panel to the next. As an wannabe artist who has always wanted to draw comics, it offends me that a guy like Land can get paid to trace pornstars, actors, and other comic artists' art.

Wait. So he just cuts out the latest E! article about the Super Skrull and traces it? I guess he must have gotten that picture of the Thing from the latest Entertainment Weekly, right?

His Thing sometimes looks exactly like the Thing from the FF movie, other times it looks like he traced somebody else's art.

SatanIsMyMotor

SA wrote:

hughtron wrote:

Munch wrote:

Greg Land gets paid a lot of money (high profile artists can make $200+ per page, plus royalties) to basically lay a magazine on a lightbox and trace it. This results in unnatural poses and facial expressions that don't match the scene, and the appearance of characters differing from one panel to the next. As an wannabe artist who has always wanted to draw comics, it offends me that a guy like Land can get paid to trace pornstars, actors, and other comic artists' art.

Wait. So he just cuts out the latest E! article about the Super Skrull and traces it? I guess he must have gotten that picture of the Thing from the latest Entertainment Weekly, right?

His Thing sometimes looks exactly like the Thing from the FF movie, other times it looks like he traced somebody else's art.

I beg to differ.

hughtron

Look, I am not denying that sometimes Greg Land is a bit of a 'tracer,' but I enjoy reading his comics from time to time. I don't buy them, they're not my thing, but I have perused them while at the shop. I'd rather read him than say Howard ChalkiI'mtoolazytospellcheckhislastname

Munch

SatanIsMyMotor wrote:

Why do you think Greg Land is a "high profile artist"?

Because he achieves photorealism through tracing magazines and other artists' work, leading the vast horde of drooling mongoloids who think, "Hurrr it sure do look good but why do Topher Grace look like Mr. Fantastic, hurrrr?" to buy it, since they either don't know any better or don't give a fuck?

Now keep in mind, Tony Harris also does the photo tracing thing for Ex Machina, and I don't have a problem with it, since he sets up his own photoshoots with friends and family, goes to a lot of trouble to pose them and get the expression he wants, and produces a good product in the end. He also doesn't plagiarize the fuck out of his fellow artists.

SatanIsMyMotor

What artists is Land plaigerizing?

Scooter

While there have been some excellent points, I have to agree with Hugh.



Who the fuck cares that much about Sue Storm's hair?

SA

I like the story in Ultimate FF and now Ultimate Power but goddamn everyone looks so goddamn ridiculous. Johnny Storm has a different haircut in every panel. People always have this goofy expression on their face.

Maybe I'm just not a Greg Land person.

I know I love my John Romita Jr and some people complain about his style.(Not sure why though)

Bad Karma

Scooter wrote:

While there have been some excellent points, I have to agree with Hugh.



Who the fuck cares that much about Sue Storm's hair?

I never really focused on the hair, more on the face. It's just an example.

"Shit, I don't a picture of [insert celeb] for this expression..guess I better wing it!"

SA

SatanIsMyMotor wrote:

What artists is Land plaigerizing?

I know he used Hitch's art from the Ultimates at least once. He used the shot of Jarvis getting killed as some dude screaming for help.

SatanIsMyMotor

SA wrote:

I like the story in Ultimate FF and now Ultimate Power but goddamn everyone looks so goddamn ridiculous. Johnny Storm has a different haircut in every panel. People always have this goofy expression on their face.

Maybe I'm just not a Greg Land person.

I know I love my John Romita Jr and some people complain about his style.(Not sure why though)

Doesn't Johnny always have the curly locks? I don't remember ever seeing land draw him differently. Land also did a kick ass Doc Doom.

SA

Sue looks so goddamn silly.




Now for the best part:

Furu

Clearly, that's just a coincidence.

A series of coincidences.

A long series of coincidences.


There should be some sort of Marvel-sponsored deathmatch to see who can draw the hottest Sue.

projectmayhem

Oh wow. thats pretty bad.

Blackjack

I think the Sojourn/Sports Illustrated cover is my favorite.

He even copied the jewelery.

Transporter

Holy....Oh wow.....

I mean, I haven't really ever had a problem with Greg Land before. His art's a little plastic, but it's entertaining.....

But...HOLY SHIT...

Knob

Greg Land is ASSTROCIOUS

Munch

SatanIsMyMotor wrote:

Doesn't Johnny always have the curly locks? I don't remember ever seeing land draw him differently. Land also did a kick ass Doc Doom.

He also traced one of Talent Caldwell's Spider-Man sketches for the Ultimate Power cover.
Here's a Newsarama thread with some examples of swipery.

Edit: Well shit, beaten by SA.

SA

Oh wait, theres more!

Forar

... holy crap.

I didn't think it'd be all that bad, but... wow.

"THIS IS AN OUTRAGE", "traced traced lol" and whatnot.

Furu

Forar wrote:

... holy crap.

I didn't think it'd be all that bad, but... wow.

"THIS IS AN OUTRAGE", "traced traced lol" and whatnot.

I can't even imagine what it might be like to write on a book with this guy, knowing your story is going to be marred by his fucking traced artwork.

Diablo Fett

Wow.

Oh wow.

I was never really a fan of Land's artwork, but holy shit. I feel really bad for Millar for having to work with this. But it just goes to show that even with a shitty artist, he can make a book worth reading.

Olivaw

I could make so many "cock goes where?" jokes with Sue, but it's no fun because they're so obvious.

Blackjack

SA wrote:

Oh wait, theres more!

I thought that was Mike Mayhew?

Unless you were just pointing it out in a general "this is a problem that needs to be addressed" thing. In which case I agree.

Spectre-x

SatanIsMyMotor wrote:

SA wrote:

hughtron wrote:

Munch wrote:

Greg Land gets paid a lot of money (high profile artists can make $200+ per page, plus royalties) to basically lay a magazine on a lightbox and trace it. This results in unnatural poses and facial expressions that don't match the scene, and the appearance of characters differing from one panel to the next. As an wannabe artist who has always wanted to draw comics, it offends me that a guy like Land can get paid to trace pornstars, actors, and other comic artists' art.

Wait. So he just cuts out the latest E! article about the Super Skrull and traces it? I guess he must have gotten that picture of the Thing from the latest Entertainment Weekly, right?

His Thing sometimes looks exactly like the Thing from the FF movie, other times it looks like he traced somebody else's art.

I beg to differ.

You can do that all you want but you'd still be categorically incorrect.