Switzerland: Heroin is good, Cannabis is bad.

Pharezon

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7757050.stm

Swiss voters have backed a change in health policy that would provide prescription heroin to addicts.
Final results from the national referendum showed 68% of voters supported the plan.

But in another referendum, the Swiss appear to have rejected the decriminalisation of cannabis.

Muse Among Men

Well there you go.

PutinPutinPutin ....

Pharezon

Prescription Heroin.

Brolo

Brolo

Oh. Heroin.

Hacksaw

It makes sense, given that excessive heroin use can damage your body's ability to produce endorphins naturally. The stuff is probably necessary for the people who are getting prescriptions for it.

Pharezon

Make prescription heroin but vote to not decriminalize cannabis.

transistorsect

Wow.

Muggins

Rolo wrote: »

Oh. Heroin.

I lol'd

Fandyien

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

Pharezon

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

That's like, your opinion, man.

Randall_Flagg

LOVE DEM DRUUUUGS

bongi

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

Not true. The risk of death from going cold turkey on heroin is very, very low.

Cilla Black

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

It also really has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they legalize cannabis. The two subjects have basically no relation to each other.

neville

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

So you're saying "Whoops, he's hooked, lets just give him dope for life now" instead of trying to treat or help him get off of it?

That's pretty retarded.

Dislexic

but...heroin allows certain people in our population to paint the future

bsjezz

duuuude woah legalize it etc

lets all forget the fact that cannabis is tied to a great deal of cases of psychosis, and medical journals everywhere are saying 'woah woah, we should hold up on this one.'. journals like the lancet

PaPa

bsjezz wrote: »

duuuude woah legalize it etc

lets all forget the fact that cannabis is tied to a great deal of cases of psychosis, and medical journals everywhere are saying 'woah woah, we should hold up on this one.'. journals like the lancet

Decriminalisation is not the same thing as legalisation.

neville

I generally have no problems with pot, except when people are absolutely uncontrollable when using it. My roommate is a good case of this. He is 6'10" (seriously) and becomes the biggest fucking asshole when he's high... which he was high for the past 5 days consecutively, I might add.

So I've just taken to kicking him out of the upstairs rooms whenever he gets obnoxious.

bsjezz

PaPa wrote: »

bsjezz wrote: »

duuuude woah legalize it etc

lets all forget the fact that cannabis is tied to a great deal of cases of psychosis, and medical journals everywhere are saying 'woah woah, we should hold up on this one.'. journals like the lancet

Decriminalisation is not the same thing as legalisation.

i know, i was just using a generic stoner expression to start my comment. it was a sarcastic attack on the drug, see

Muse Among Men

PaPa wrote: »

bsjezz wrote: »

duuuude woah legalize it etc

lets all forget the fact that cannabis is tied to a great deal of cases of psychosis, and medical journals everywhere are saying 'woah woah, we should hold up on this one.'. journals like the lancet

Decriminalisation is not the same thing as legalisation.

This has confused me in the past, anyone care to shed some light, pretty please?

Pharezon

Cilla Black wrote: »

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

It also really has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they legalize cannabis. The two subjects have basically no relation to each other.

Well the Swiss were voting on the two so I thought they were a little related.

Bendery It Like Beckham

haha woah lets all blow this out of proportion okay?

It's not like prescription still means that it's Illegal to possess and sell, and it's not like they aren't going to heavily monitor it's use.

And they most definitely wouldn't make obtaining a prescription for heroin have certain requirements like attending rehab.

No, they just made prescription heroin because all junkies are going to want to go see a doctor, admit they have a problem, and then pay more than street price for this stuff.

right?

Mr. Henry Bemis

Muse Among Men wrote: »

PaPa wrote: »

bsjezz wrote: »

duuuude woah legalize it etc

lets all forget the fact that cannabis is tied to a great deal of cases of psychosis, and medical journals everywhere are saying 'woah woah, we should hold up on this one.'. journals like the lancet

Decriminalisation is not the same thing as legalisation.

This has confused me in the past, anyone care to shed some light, pretty please?

legalization makes it legal to own and sell

decriminalization makes it a non-jailable offense

ie you'll get a ticket and possibly get your weed confiscated as opposed to spending the night in jail

PaPa

Muse Among Men wrote: »

PaPa wrote: »

bsjezz wrote: »

duuuude woah legalize it etc

lets all forget the fact that cannabis is tied to a great deal of cases of psychosis, and medical journals everywhere are saying 'woah woah, we should hold up on this one.'. journals like the lancet

Decriminalisation is not the same thing as legalisation.

This has confused me in the past, anyone care to shed some light, pretty please?

If something is decriminalised it means that you don't face the criminal justice system - you don't get arrested, brought to trial or receive a criminal record.

But it's still against the law - companies can't start selling it in shops and shit.

Meissnerd

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

Bendery It Like Beckham

Meissnerd wrote: »

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

I hope they don't decriminalise my saturday morning naked air guitar sessions

Muse Among Men

Thanks guys, I think I learned something.

Fandyien

neville wrote: »

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

So you're saying "Whoops, he's hooked, lets just give him dope for life now" instead of trying to treat or help him get off of it?

That's pretty retarded.

Neville this is not what I'm saying at all.

Are you even slightly familiar with the process people go through to kick a heroin addiction.

The Lovely Bastard

Meissnerd wrote: »

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

but what about smoking?

bongi

Fandyien wrote: »

neville wrote: »

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

So you're saying "Whoops, he's hooked, lets just give him dope for life now" instead of trying to treat or help him get off of it?

That's pretty retarded.

Neville this is not what I'm saying at all.

Are you even slightly familiar with the process people go through to kick a heroin addiction.

Well you evidently aren't, since you erroneously stated that people who go cold turkey on heroin die.

Meissnerd

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

Meissnerd wrote: »

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

but what about smoking?

pole?

smokin' pole?

Fandyien

bsjezz wrote: »

duuuude woah legalize it etc

lets all forget the fact that cannabis is tied to a great deal of cases of psychosis, and medical journals everywhere are saying 'woah woah, we should hold up on this one.'. journals like the lancet

Yeah, man, you don't want to get the reefer madness. God knows what could happen.

Mr. Henry Bemis

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

Meissnerd wrote: »

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

but what about smoking?

you only feel badass about smoking when you're a teenager and it's illegal

The Lovely Bastard

Meissnerd wrote: »

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

Meissnerd wrote: »

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

but what about smoking?

pole?

smokin' pole?

smokin' underrage pole

Fandyien

bongi wrote: »

Fandyien wrote: »

neville wrote: »

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

So you're saying "Whoops, he's hooked, lets just give him dope for life now" instead of trying to treat or help him get off of it?

That's pretty retarded.

Neville this is not what I'm saying at all.

Are you even slightly familiar with the process people go through to kick a heroin addiction.

Well you evidently aren't, since you erroneously stated that people who go cold turkey on heroin die.

I am saying that people tend to go to clinics and are given equally addictive synthetic opioids and that the idea of giving addicts heroin is not far-fetched at all and is more or less in line with the accepted methodology for getting people to kick that shit.

The Lovely Bastard

Mr. Henry Bemis wrote: »

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

Meissnerd wrote: »

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

but what about smoking?

you only feel badass about smoking when you're a teenager and it's illegal

everytime I light up I feel like I could kick John Mcclane's head off

Cilla Black

Pharezon wrote: »

Cilla Black wrote: »

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

It also really has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they legalize cannabis. The two subjects have basically no relation to each other.

Well the Swiss were voting on the two so I thought they were a little related.

Well the way you put it makes it seem like you think it is dumb for them to be doing this with prescription heroin while at the same time not decriminalizing cannabis. If that's not your opinion, then I apologize.

Pharezon

Fandyien wrote: »

neville wrote: »

Fandyien wrote: »

This thread is pretty stupid. I mean, if a heroin addict gets off the smack cold turkey, he will die, and programs that use other chemicals tend to just sidegrade addicts into equally destructive types of addiction. Prescription heroin for junkies isn't a bad idea at all.

So you're saying "Whoops, he's hooked, lets just give him dope for life now" instead of trying to treat or help him get off of it?

That's pretty retarded.

Neville this is not what I'm saying at all.

Are you even slightly familiar with the process people go through to kick a heroin addiction.

The movie Ray taught me all I needed to know.

Fandyien

Mr. Henry Bemis wrote: »

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

Meissnerd wrote: »

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

but what about smoking?

you only feel badass about smoking when you're a teenager and it's illegal

It's true

The moment I turned eighteen it just started being the cause of my horrible cough and cranky demeanor

Mr. Henry Bemis

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

Mr. Henry Bemis wrote: »

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

Meissnerd wrote: »

muse if something is decriminalised that means you don't feel like a badass when you do it

but what about smoking?

you only feel badass about smoking when you're a teenager and it's illegal

everytime I light up I feel like I could kick John Mcclane's head off

pass that shit