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ITT your shin turns into your kneecap (UFC)

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  • DaemasDaemas Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    #pipe wrote: »
    Weaver wrote: »
    but this isn't kickboxing

    also kickboxing is incredibly gay, like taekwondo

    Watch this.

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjPnLjvvrs


    do you know what the title of that show was? That seems like a really interesting hour of television.

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  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fight Science

    it was from the MMA special but there was also one called like "ultimate martial art" or something and a special forces one and a self defense one

    they are definitely worth a watch

    #pipe on
  • Sgt EversmanSgt Eversman Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    *added to tivo

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    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

    Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome.
  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    OH FUCK THAT VIDEO FUCK

    HIS LEG OH FUCKING HELL

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  • Sgt EversmanSgt Eversman Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    OH FUCK THAT VIDEO FUCK

    HIS LEG OH FUCKING HELL

    this was my initial reaction also


    i was unaware that bones could gellify on contact.

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    Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome.
  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2008
    CHICK FIGHT

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    OH FUCK THAT VIDEO FUCK

    HIS LEG OH FUCKING HELL

    this was my initial reaction also


    i was unaware that bones could gellify on contact.

    those legs were pretty skinny though

    if you watch that leg before the actual kick that broke it, there are a couple of moments where it looks like it's gonna give anyway

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  • WeaverWeaver Breakfast Witch Hashus BrowniusRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    hot

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  • Sgt EversmanSgt Eversman Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    boo to that

    somebody post john candy mudwrestling from Stripes

    Sgt Eversman on
    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

    Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome.
  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    The Geek wrote: »
    CHICK FIGHT

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    I fuckin' love that woman.

    My god what I would do

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  • Sgt EversmanSgt Eversman Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    boo to that

    somebody post john candy mudwrestling from Stripes

    Sgt Eversman on
    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

    Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome.
  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Gina Carano is pretty hot.

    And the post fight interview from that OP video reminded me of the Buckwheat is dead sketch from old SNL.

    "Have you seen the footage of it yet? Lets roll that"

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  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2008
    trentsteel wrote: »
    I fuckin' love that woman.

    My god what I would do

    What you would do is get your face beaten in.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
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    Look at those hamstrings....mmmmmmMMMM

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  • lostwordslostwords Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    man, way to turn the manliest/gayest thread into a ranger thread, you big gay gays

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    trentsteel wrote: »
    I hate arrogant guys. I like guys like Matt Hughes that are humble and gentlemanly in the ring.

    If someone's arrogant I want the other guy to win every time.

    I watched Kimbo getting knocked out, over and OVER again.


    This is funny because Matt Hughes is possibly the most arrogant human being on earth in person and kimbo slice is a dude's dude.

    IRT to weaver: No, you hit with your shins. That's how you do it. big bones break less than small bones. The shin breaks less then than the feet.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    There is a MMA game for the Playstation at my friend's house and I can pick her and beat absolutely anyone in the game.

    IMBALANCE

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    trentsteel wrote: »
    I hate arrogant guys. I like guys like Matt Hughes that are humble and gentlemanly in the ring.

    If someone's arrogant I want the other guy to win every time.

    I watched Kimbo getting knocked out, over and OVER again.


    This is funny because Matt Hughes is possibly the most arrogant human being on earth in person and kimbo slice is a dude's dude.

    IRT to weaver: No, you hit with your shins. That's how you do it. big bones break less than small bones. The shin breaks less then than the feet.

    What? You've met them both?

    I dunno I'm just going by what I've seen in interviews and stuff. Also his loss to JSP

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  • Fire TruckFire Truck I love my SELFRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    IRT to weaver: No, you hit with your shins. That's how you do it. big bones break less than small bones. The shin breaks less then than the feet.

    That depends on a lot of things. And in reality, hitting a shin in the right place can crack it pretty easily if you haven't trained it exactly right. It's like breaking a board held on both ends, the middle is unsupported and snaps with a little pressure.

    Fire Truck on
  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I've met Matt Hughes in person, in an autograph grabbing context. I've literally seen him be mean to the chaperone of some sick kids, though, and dude seriously, his autobiography should be called, "Matt Hughes: Basically, I'm Jesus in tights"

    I haven't met Kimbo personally, but one of the other staff members at bullshido has actually hung out with him quite a bit and says he's a good dude.

    I really want to hate brock lesnar a lot for getting jumped straight to the title shot, but that's more dana white's fault I guess. I have to give it to brock - he's been able to demonstate quantam game raises in the space of six months several times now. I do think his real skill is cutting weight, but that's another thread.

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  • MagnumCTMagnumCT Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yeah, there're way more small, delicate bones in the foot than in the shin. I would also wager that the shin hurts way more to get clubbed with than the foot.

    On the Kimbo/Hughes thing, no idea about Kimbo, but from all accounts, Matt Hughes is a dick. The Ultimate Fighter, interviews, his book...great fighter, but I wouldn't care to hang out with him.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    IRT to weaver: No, you hit with your shins. That's how you do it. big bones break less than small bones. The shin breaks less then than the feet.

    That depends on a lot of things. And in reality, hitting a shin in the right place can crack it pretty easily if you haven't trained it exactly right. It's like breaking a board held on both ends, the middle is unsupported and snaps with a little pressure.

    I'm going to go with my dozen years in martial arts, my mma coach, and my muay thai coach over "Fire Truck from the internet" on this

    Sorry

    Yeah, there's times and places for kicking with the instep and there are incorrect ways to hit with the shin (learning these angles is what people who think they are "deadening their shins" are really doing) but in general you don't round kick foot to body for fear of hitting your footfull of tiny bones on a knee or shin.

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  • MagnumCTMagnumCT Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    IRT to weaver: No, you hit with your shins. That's how you do it. big bones break less than small bones. The shin breaks less then than the feet.

    That depends on a lot of things. And in reality, hitting a shin in the right place can crack it pretty easily if you haven't trained it exactly right. It's like breaking a board held on both ends, the middle is unsupported and snaps with a little pressure.

    I'm going to go with my dozen years in martial arts, my mma coach, and my muay thai coach over "Fire Truck from the internet" on this

    Sorry

    Yeah, there's times and places for kicking with the instep and there are incorrect ways to hit with the shin (learning these angles is what people who think they are "deadening their shins" are really doing) but in general you don't round kick foot to body for fear of hitting your footfull of tiny bones on a knee or shin.

    Which I have done, hence why I will never, ever, ever kick with my foot again.

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  • Fire TruckFire Truck I love my SELFRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    Yeah, there're way more small, delicate bones in the foot than in the shin. I would also wager that the shin hurts way more to get clubbed with than the foot.

    On the Kimbo/Hughes thing, no idea about Kimbo, but from all accounts, Matt Hughes is a dick. The Ultimate Fighter, interviews, his book...great fighter, but I wouldn't care to hang out with him.

    Are we talking about hitting with the top of the foot? because yeah, that can break a lot of bones pretty easily if you, say, kick a dudes knee. Hitting with the ball of the foot, though, I would argue is safer than kicking with the shin.

    I'm sure defender will be here shortly to tear into me.

    Fire Truck on
  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    Yeah, there're way more small, delicate bones in the foot than in the shin. I would also wager that the shin hurts way more to get clubbed with than the foot.

    On the Kimbo/Hughes thing, no idea about Kimbo, but from all accounts, Matt Hughes is a dick. The Ultimate Fighter, interviews, his book...great fighter, but I wouldn't care to hang out with him.

    Are we talking about hitting with the top of the foot? because yeah, that can break a lot of bones pretty easily if you, say, kick a dudes knee. Hitting with the ball of the foot, though, I would argue is safer than kicking with the shin.

    I'm sure defender will be here shortly to tear into me.

    You have to flex your calf to do that, which shortens your kick and keeps you from unloading your hips thai-style, and you have to hit a small target with a small tool. Those guys fight all day, dude, they have thought of these things.

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  • MagnumCTMagnumCT Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    Yeah, there're way more small, delicate bones in the foot than in the shin. I would also wager that the shin hurts way more to get clubbed with than the foot.

    On the Kimbo/Hughes thing, no idea about Kimbo, but from all accounts, Matt Hughes is a dick. The Ultimate Fighter, interviews, his book...great fighter, but I wouldn't care to hang out with him.

    Are we talking about hitting with the top of the foot? because yeah, that can break a lot of bones pretty easily if you, say, kick a dudes knee. Hitting with the ball of the foot, though, I would argue is safer than kicking with the shin.

    I'm sure defender will be here shortly to tear into me.

    Not sure about the safety, but the amount of force you'd be able to put behind such a blow and hence the damage it would cause would be far less than a solid swinging shin kick.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2008
    The AKA guys fucked shit up last night.

    And Steve Cantwell is a pyscho. It just doesn't seem right to giggle about breaking a dude's arm and talk about how you've been wanting to do that since forever.

    Dynagrip on
  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2008
    trentsteel wrote: »
    The Geek wrote: »
    CHICK FIGHT

    30763926.gif

    I fuckin' love that woman.

    My god what I would do

    get your ass kicked?

    Dynagrip on
  • Fire TruckFire Truck I love my SELFRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    Yeah, there're way more small, delicate bones in the foot than in the shin. I would also wager that the shin hurts way more to get clubbed with than the foot.

    On the Kimbo/Hughes thing, no idea about Kimbo, but from all accounts, Matt Hughes is a dick. The Ultimate Fighter, interviews, his book...great fighter, but I wouldn't care to hang out with him.

    Are we talking about hitting with the top of the foot? because yeah, that can break a lot of bones pretty easily if you, say, kick a dudes knee. Hitting with the ball of the foot, though, I would argue is safer than kicking with the shin.

    I'm sure defender will be here shortly to tear into me.

    You have to flex your calf to do that, which shortens your kick and keeps you from unloading your hips thai-style, and you have to hit a small target with a small tool. Those guys fight all day, dude, they have thought of these things.

    Admittedly, the art I train in doesn't use kicks that frequently, so that has definitely effected my thoughts on them. I'm sure muay thai or any other kind of kick boxing using kick in a more utilitarian manner has better ideas for kicking in general situations.

    What is the "thai-style" of hip movement? We seem to do alright using our hips with a flexed calf.

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  • MagnumCTMagnumCT Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    The main difference between a Thai-style kick and a traditional roundhouse kick, is that the force of the RH comes from the knee, throwing out the kick from there. The Thai kick is usually compared to a baseball bat. You turn your hip over and swing a dead-leg at your target. It hits with greater impact because it comes from farther away and with more force behind it.

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  • MagnumCTMagnumCT Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    OK, new topic. Am I the only one who hates everything about Kenny Florian, especially the fact that he keeps winning?

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  • Fire TruckFire Truck I love my SELFRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    The main difference between a Thai-style kick and a traditional roundhouse kick, is that the force of the RH comes from the knee, throwing out the kick from there. The Thai kick is usually compared to a baseball bat. You turn your hip over and swing a dead-leg at your target. It hits with greater impact because it comes from farther away and with more force behind it.

    See, this is exactly what we do, just with the ball of our foot (unless we have an open shot at, say, the abdomen or other relatively soft part of the body).

    I apologize if I sounded like I was saying shin kicks are useless. I just don't believe from what I've been taught that it is safer than kicking with the ball of the foot (though it's definitely better than kicking with the top of the foot).

    Of course, I would be unlikely to ever kick above my knee in an actual fight.

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  • MagnumCTMagnumCT Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't...I don't get how you can swing a kick from the side in and connect with the ball of your foot. The only way I can think of would put your toes in all kinds of danger.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Place at the tableRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    Fire Truck wrote: »
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    Yeah, there're way more small, delicate bones in the foot than in the shin. I would also wager that the shin hurts way more to get clubbed with than the foot.

    On the Kimbo/Hughes thing, no idea about Kimbo, but from all accounts, Matt Hughes is a dick. The Ultimate Fighter, interviews, his book...great fighter, but I wouldn't care to hang out with him.

    Are we talking about hitting with the top of the foot? because yeah, that can break a lot of bones pretty easily if you, say, kick a dudes knee. Hitting with the ball of the foot, though, I would argue is safer than kicking with the shin.

    I'm sure defender will be here shortly to tear into me.

    You have to flex your calf to do that, which shortens your kick and keeps you from unloading your hips thai-style, and you have to hit a small target with a small tool. Those guys fight all day, dude, they have thought of these things.

    Admittedly, the art I train in doesn't use kicks that frequently, so that has definitely effected my thoughts on them. I'm sure muay thai or any other kind of kick boxing using kick in a more utilitarian manner has better ideas for kicking in general situations.

    What is the "thai-style" of hip movement? We seem to do alright using our hips with a flexed calf.

    The unique geometry of the muay-thai roundhouse, the reason it's responsible for so many knockouts and is a quantum advance on the order of the turn of the century development of the lead hand jab, is that the hip flexors roll completely over before the quads flex hard, creating a spiraling motion between the hips and the knee that causes the shin to hit in a ballistic fashion

    See how in this picture the knee leads the shin, and the shin's going to crash down on what the knee passes?

    Now compare to this picture - the toe is much harder to swing behind the knee, because of the calf flexion and the precision required to hit with the ball of the foot.

    There are people who have been doing karate for 20 or 40 years that can kick very hard with the instep or balls of the feet, and there are uses for those kicks - getting an extra six inches toward somebody's face or the thigh of their planted leg, for example, or in a system designed strictly for self defense where you're going to be wearing shoes if you use the kicks - but exchanges to the lower body are going to be dominated by the thai kick - it's hard, fast, simple, and defensive.

    You will break your toes using a bare-foot toe kick in hard contact eventually, though. Nobody is really good enough at bending their toes out of the way. By NOBODY I mean everybody but the senseis and sifus who taught the varous TKD blue belts reading this to kick that way, of course.

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  • MagnumCTMagnumCT Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    The argument for the shin (assuming you drink your milk, take your vitamins, and say your prayers to keep it strong) is that it's like a goddamn blade. Just reach down there and feel it. Mine feels like a big, dull machete or some such. Now take that full force in the ribs or hell, even your forearm. A kick like that blocked with the arms is a win for the kicker.

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  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Goddamn, maybe drink some more milk you skinny son of a bitch.

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    Fuck off and die.
  • Draco_AuricDraco_Auric Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Kicking with your foot is fine as long as it's not a roundkick, push kicks work great! Kicking with your feet also works really well if you're wearing reinforced shoes, like in Savate. Getting the tip of a shoe in your solar plexus or liver is almost as bad as getting hit in the balls.

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  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2008
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    The argument for the shin (assuming you drink your milk, take your vitamins, and say your prayers to keep it strong) is that it's like a goddamn blade. Just reach down there and feel it. Mine feels like a big, dull machete or some such. Now take that full force in the ribs or hell, even your forearm. A kick like that blocked with the arms is a win for the kicker.

    Unless you're kicking Tyr Anasazi, out of Victoria by Barbarossa, of the Kodiak Pride.

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  • MagnumCTMagnumCT Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    The Geek wrote: »
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    The argument for the shin (assuming you drink your milk, take your vitamins, and say your prayers to keep it strong) is that it's like a goddamn blade. Just reach down there and feel it. Mine feels like a big, dull machete or some such. Now take that full force in the ribs or hell, even your forearm. A kick like that blocked with the arms is a win for the kicker.

    Unless you're kicking Tyr Anasazi, out of Victoria by Barbarossa, of the Kodiak Pride.

    Well obviously not then.

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  • Draco_AuricDraco_Auric Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    The Geek wrote: »
    MagnumCT wrote: »
    The argument for the shin (assuming you drink your milk, take your vitamins, and say your prayers to keep it strong) is that it's like a goddamn blade. Just reach down there and feel it. Mine feels like a big, dull machete or some such. Now take that full force in the ribs or hell, even your forearm. A kick like that blocked with the arms is a win for the kicker.

    Unless you're kicking Tyr Anasazi, out of Victoria by Barbarossa, of the Kodiak Pride.

    Yeah kicking a dude wearing spines along his arms is bad news!

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