Morality for the good and anti-good in comics (Most likely plot spoilers)

Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited December 2008 in Graphic Violence
Servo wrote: »
Servo wrote: »
but really, though, you're right- there is a massive gap between batman and waller. it's the fact that waller has official government support.

If you think that is the bulk of the difference, I think you are wrong.

thanks for making this an engaging debate by enumerating why you might think that.



alright, let's think about it like this- in america, we have had some small trouble with terrorists. now, some may have noticed that this has affected our foreign policy somewhat in that we have gone completely bonkers, from the top down as it were.

now imagine living in an america where al-qaeda is like the most mundane, run-of-the-mill, boring-ass terror organization in the world. there's crazy snake-god doom cults, card-themed supermadmen for hire, a alien spacegod technology-powered crime syndicate, russian rocket-men clad in impenetrable armor, not to mention all the jumped-up human atom bombs running around killing for fun and profit on their own. and let's certainly not forget about all of these pajama-wearing maniacs who think it's just a-ok for them to run around at night and beat the shit out of american citizens without bothering with pesky things like due process or trial by jury.

(incidentally, here i think is an important point. we the readers have seen countless thousands of examples that prove that superman is a just and benevolent being, that batman never makes mistakes, that when it comes down to the crunch time the flash will always pull through. regular dc citizens don't have the advantage of peering into superman's head and hearing his thoughts every time he battles darkseid. this is basically the shra argument again, but on a smaller scale, since we're only defending the viewpoint of one person)

of course, those are only the earth-based threats. domestic threats, if you will. there's a whole goddamn universe out there that regularly tries to eat our lunch.

now, keeping that in mind, put yourself in amanda waller's shoes (not literally. she may well have smaller feet than yours and isn't real anyway). you're charged with keeping your country safe. you believe it deserves to be safe. you work for the highest authority in the land and yes, maybe you've had to make some tough calls and maybe they weren't always the most white-washed decisions, but you've done your job to the best of your ability and you know in your heart you've made the world a safer place.

i think perhaps you've misunderstood my initial point about waller having government support. that doesn't automatically make all her decisions correct and just. what it makes her is accountable. if batman fucks up disarming a bomb and a bunch of schoolkids die, what happens to him really? oh sure he beats himself up about it for a while probably, but eventually it's just back to wayne manor for a dip in the pool and some extra caviar to keep the spirits up. if waller fucked up something like that, her ass is on the line because it's her job.

now, all that said, do i agree with all her decisions? absolutely not. has she played her cards so close that sometimes nobody else knows what her plans are? certainly. has she made questionable calls based solely on her own judgement that have had massive and deadly ramifications? most definitely.

you know who else did all those things? batman. remember OMACs? remember the time that damn ras al ghul got his paws on batmans secret plans to murder all his friends? batman made some bad calls and all his widdle fwends got mad for a while and then got over it.

waller fucked up in checkmate and got shitcanned.

Batman didn't have anything to do with the Omacs.
That was Brother I ( after being stolen and warped by Lords.) and Lords himself, who also by the way,
brainwashed Superman.

Edit: I have been busy all evening, and now I have to sleep. I will address your other points later.

Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2008
    you still didn't say why you thought that. you just took all my work!

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    WHO CREATED HIM, BRI?

    DID THIS NEED IT'S OWN THREAD?

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2008
    Edit: I have been busy all evening, and now I have to sleep. I will address your other points later.

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    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2008
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    WHO CREATED HIM, BRI?

    DID THIS NEED IT'S OWN THREAD?

    i'm not really sure it does, buuuuuuut i like seeing my username on the screen so i'll leave it up and we'll see what happens. if geebs wants to lock it, that's fine with me.

    but really, though, didn't even add a new comment.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2008
    Edit: I have been busy all evening, and now I have to sleep. I will address your other points later.

    oh i replied before you c+p'ed your reply from the other thread, but i still don't feel bad.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2008
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    WHO CREATED HIM, BRI?

    DID THIS NEED IT'S OWN THREAD?

    WHO STOLE HIM ANJIN? I CAN DO CAPS TOO!

    YES IT NEEDED ITS OWN THREAD, AS IT WAS DEVIATING SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE POINT OF THE OTHER THREAD! NOW LET ME SLEEP.

    See how caps lock is cruise control for cool?

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    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    I'm tempted to lock this just because of "caps lock is cruise control for cool"

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    but what is it about

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    actually, yeah, try to make the thread a little clearer in the OP other than just quoting servo or I will have to lock it

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2008
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    but what is it about

    well that's kind of the problem, isn't it. it's apparently about amanda waller and possibly how i am a fascist?

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Im not sure why you insist Batman isn't culpable for the OMACS since he was basically "my fault dudes" about them and Brother I

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    amanda waller is a necessity

    plus the idea of the suicide squad is just boss

    the recent mini-series has me jonesin' for some sort of collection of the old ongoing

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    Edit: I have been busy all evening, and now I have to sleep. I will address your other points later.

    actually, never mind, I'm going to lock this

    in the future if you want to make a thread, don't make it until you have time to give it a coherent point

    you can keep that discussion in the thread it came from

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