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LOL@Richy Memorial Election Fallout Thread
ElJeffe
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So. The Dems have taken the House, and may take the Senate. Liberals and conservatives disillusioned with the Pubs' recent asshattery rejoice. What next?
What will the Dems do with their newfound power? Will the Pubs once again find their principles? Do they have any left? What does this mean for the Bush administration?
These exciting topics and more will all be explored this week, on...
ELECTION '06: THE AFTERMATH
What will the Dems do with their newfound power? Will the Pubs once again find their principles? Do they have any left? What does this mean for the Bush administration?
These exciting topics and more will all be explored this week, on...
ELECTION '06: THE AFTERMATH
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At least that's what I heard....
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Lol
Impeach Bush? Yay or Nay?
After passing house you need 2/3 majority in senate to continue impeachment procedures. It can't happen.
You, sir, seem to disagree?
And you're basing this off of...? The Democrats forced the Republicans to tone down provisions in the Patriot Act. Now that they actually have the majority why do you assume that moderation is out the window?
This is good for them, because at this point they can define themselves as just about anything other than "crazy fundies" and get a lot of support.
Pelosi has gone on record saying she won't let the party do that. It's a petty, and many folks would just love to see it and then point fingers at the Dem's. Of course, she's a politician, and speaks in subtle and not so sutble lies.
Nay.
Anyway, who wants to see Cheney as the president, even for a few months?
Yes. I do believe that past opposition will be all but forgotten, the "threat" will be said more than real and new(or already proposed) legislation will flow.
Nay! Nay I say!
It would be a horrible waste of political capital and wouldn't actually accomplish anything. The real money is going to be in intensive and thorough investigations into corruption/abuse of power over the last 6 years, moderate domestic policy, and security balanced with personal freedoms.
In a nut shell, investigate everyone they can get their hands on, and continually keep pressure on Bush through legislation, making him either sign bills of their choice, alienating the Republican base, or veto popular legislation and alienate undecideds and moderates. To which the Pubs are going to respond by dragging their heels and distancing themselves from Bush like he has the plague.
No, I'm not asking if you do feel that way but why you feel that way. Yes isn't really a way to answer that question.
Either the machines were rigged, it was really a blow-out, and the Dems may commence putting heads on pikes and burning red villages to the ground, or that is a reasonable survey of voters' actual wishes, in which case the Dems hardly have a blank check to begin running amok and giving welfare queens yachts at the expense of the super-rich. Most likely, we'll see a lot of investigations into malfeasance, overspending, and the really blatant corruption scandals, a lot of congressional initiatives to get back environmental and worker protections we've lost in the past 6 years, and so forth. This will make for very boring television and take a year or two to get results. Consequently, we will see conservative pundits go from "this is a referendum" to "this is just a wave, a fluke, Dems'll be gone in 2008" to "lol Dems r teh suck they cant do nothin m i rite." This will make for very pointless tv. I suspect a lot of channel-changing will be involved.
(in both senses of the word, quite possibly)
Remind me again, what was the vote on the habeas corpus bill? Cause I kinda don't remember them Dems being in all out opposition. I feel that way because limited opposition to that sort of legislation is one step away from passing similar bills when in power. Power corrupts and I don't think they'll manage to get enough of it in the next 2 years.
I think there'd be more riot if he won
Its on AM radio.
So, Michigan had five statewide initiatives on the ballot yesterday, and the results are sort of interesting:
06-01 - Amendment to require money set aside for conservation projects/DNR funding to be used only for those purposes. Passed
06-02 - Amendment to ban affirmative action programs. Passed
06-03 - Referendum to establish hunting of Mourning Doves. Failed
06-04 - Amendment to heavily restrict eminent domain practices. Passed
06-05 - Initiative to set mandatory school funding levels and change funding guidelines. Failed
Most of those went the way I had hoped, but the affirmative action thing makes me a little worried; not only do I think the state isn't socially ready to get rid of affirmative action, the amendment proposed is so heavy-handed that it threatens any program that shows any sort of preferential treatment, including gendered school sports, public funding for women's shelters and HPV vaccination programs. Thanks a lot, Michigan voters.
Also, I was and still am completely confused on Prop 5. I voted for it, as I grew up in a family of teachers and plan to teach myself, but it was damn near impossible to find straight info on this one before voting. Hooray for zealous political groups muddying the waters.
Republican Sen. George Allen is trailing Democrat Jim Webb by fewer than 6,000 votes in Virginia.
But going to the VA page has him up by over 8,000
Oh God, Rush must be going spastic. Good thing he can't be compared to Michael J Fox if he is.
This had been my experience.
Actually, it was 10, IIRC(65-34 vote....). Now imo, when 25% of your senators support such a measure when you're in opposition, your party may have a small problem.
Edit: Another correction, wiki says 12 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detainee_bill
Prop 2 and 5 were pretty much the only ones that went the way I wanted.
I don't think you're wrong in your assement of Michinan and being ready for the changes proposal 2 will bring. However, I think it's best that we address the issues we have with school districts like Detroit and work to improve those, which wasn't happening at all under Affirmative Action. Now it's not there as an excuse.
I can live with Granholm winning, I had hoped Stabenow would go out.
From what I understand about 5, the proposal was in place to increase teacher's wages/pension but did so at the expense of many, many, many other social services like Police and Fire/Health Care and the like. Depending on how partisan you get or what side you want to believe, it also seemed to not have any provisions on creating a better learning environment in the schools, just upping the salaries of teachers at the expense of other social services.
The state page (here) is updated realtime, while cnn.com is not. CNN has been really conservative when it comes to calling anything or updating results throughout this election, which isn't a bad thing at all when you look at the fiasco the last two rounds of election coverage were.
1) You piss off a lot of Republicans
2) You get Dick Cheney in the Oval Office
Yeah, good going there