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[Game (Recommendations) On!] Should I buy a 360?

Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Games and Technology
That's the question. The deciding factor, obviously, is what sort of games I can find on the system. I haven't followed 360-related news virtually at all so I know very little about the line up -- I've only heard that it's quite large. So I leave it to you, G&T, to recommend me some games. But there are a few caveats. I'm absolutely rubbish at aiming in FPSs on consoles so, unless someone very persuasively urge me to reconsider, I'm not really interested in them -- I've probably bought it on PC already anyway, which leads to my next point: if it's on PC, I either already have it or am not interested. Furthermore, I have a PS3 so certain cross-platform games are out (Assassin's Creed, Mirror's Edge, and Rock Band 2 come to mind). I'm generally not interested in racing games (though I might could be persuaded to try something like Wipeout) and I don't care for sports games in the slightest.

But now for what I'm interested in. I enjoy a good RPG, either Western or Japanese, and I hear the 360 line-up for RPGs is quite robust -- however, I already own Fable 1, Fallout 3, Oblivion, and Morrowind on PC. Anything action-adventure or what have you is fair game. Local multiplayer is also worth a lot of points with me. Regarding specifics, I remember reading about Culdcept Saga a few months ago and it almost made me buy the system all on its own. Did that turn out well? How about Last Remnant and Too Human? Both looked interesting.

And how about that Live Arcade? I'm itching to play Braid and Castle Crashers piqued my interest a long time ago but that's about all I've heard about it. Anything particularly noteworthy there?

And finally, the boring logistics. Can I use any old laptop hard drive? How is the RROD situation? Any good value bundles out there?

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  • Erin The RedErin The Red The Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMA Baton Rouge, LARegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vi Monks wrote: »
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    I think without some heavy modification, you won't be able to use a laptop hard drive. I could be mistaken, of course. From what i've seen and heard, the RROD situation is getting better. i swapped my xbox out about a year ago due to the RROD, and haven't had a lick of trouble since.

    XBL Arcade is one of the places where the system really shines, to me. N+ is an amazing, insanely addictive game. Castle Crashers provided days of fun for my friends and I. For the casual people, you've got the scene it games, which I found are more fun than they would seem. Your mileage may vary. I liked braid, but havent gotten to play it all the way through, as I played it on a friend's xbox

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  • Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    heres some compiled game recommendations, look them over and see if theres enough there to entice you.

    http://slashsignal.wikispaces.com/Xbox+360

    other things to keep in mind: you have to pay for online which blows, but its got a lot of people on; rrod sucks, period. you will probably get one at some point. but apparently it doesnt bother some people so ymmv; you have to use MS's HDD, but you can get them pretty cheap used.

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  • Dyvim TvarDyvim Tvar Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Man Too Human is the best worst game I've played in years.
    I don't know what it is about that game, see on the one hand I understand on a purely intellectual level that it is riddled with faults and should probably be burned horribly. However I still love it, with all my heart I love it enough that I am still playing it even now.
    Also Mass Effect, Earth Defence Force 2017, either Gears of War and Tokyo Extreme Racer 360 a.k.a Import Tuner (I know you said you don't like racing games, but then neither did I until I played my first Tokyo Extreme Racer so make of that what you will) are really games I would always recomend to people on the 360. Espescially EDF because it, really, is just a game about shooting giant space insects in the face, and what kind of life is complete without that pursuit in it?

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If you already have a gaming PC and a PS3, I think your going to find the number of games for your 360 a bit limited.

    Don't get me wrong, there are some good 'exclusives', however, sometimes these exclusive manage to come to the PC.

    Personally I don't think its worth the money, but ultimately it is your call.

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  • AuburnTigerAuburnTiger Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Dyvim Tvar wrote: »
    Man Too Human is the best worst game I've played in years.
    I don't know what it is about that game, see on the one hand I understand on a purely intellectual level that it is riddled with faults and should probably be burned horribly. However I still love it, with all my heart I love it enough that I am still playing it even now.
    Also Mass Effect, Earth Defence Force 2017, either Gears of War and Tokyo Extreme Racer 360 a.k.a Import Tuner (I know you said you don't like racing games, but then neither did I until I played my first Tokyo Extreme Racer so make of that what you will) are really games I would always recomend to people on the 360. Espescially EDF because it, really, is just a game about shooting giant space insects in the face, and what kind of life is complete without that pursuit in it?

    Too Human was cursed by God because he, along with all sane people, realize that they should have been working on a sequel to Eternal Darkness.

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Condemned 1 & 2
    Crackdown

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Thanks for the recommendations, all. The XBL Arcade looks like a real winner so far. I had no idea Ikaruga and Rez were on it. I've wanted to play them both but haven't owned the necessary systems as of yet. Good recommendations, Dyvim. I already played Mass Effect, but that's right up my alley. Does EDF have local multiplayer?

    Keep'em coming, guys. This is helpful.

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  • freakish lightfreakish light butterdick jones and his heavenly asshole machineRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Local splitscreen co-op. If you're interested in that then Castle Crashers and N+ are right up your alley.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Can anyone comment on the RPG line-up? As I said, I've heard there are numerous good titles and I've seen Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia thrown around but I don't know much about them.

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Tales, Lost Odyssey, and Fable 2 are your best bets for exclusive 360 RPG's.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    IMHO with a PC and a PS3 a 360 is overkill.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vi Monks wrote: »
    Can anyone comment on the RPG line-up? As I said, I've heard there are numerous good titles and I've seen Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia thrown around but I don't know much about them.

    Blue Dragon is a rather traditional RPG in the style of the Dragon Quest games. If you like Dragon Quest, you'll probably really enjoy it. I haven't played Tales of Vesperia, but I hear it's one of the better Tales games around. Lost Odyssey's a good Final Fantasy-esque RPG.

    Personally, I think a 360 is worth it for the downloadable games alone. XBLA has so many good games, it's insane, and XNA Community Games already has a few worthwhile games with no doubt many more down the line.

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    IMHO with a PC and a PS3 a 360 is overkill.

    Nah. There are good reasons to own all 3 consoles + a PC if you're a die-hard gamer.

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Dyvim Tvar wrote: »
    Man Too Human is the best worst game I've played in years.
    I don't know what it is about that game, see on the one hand I understand on a purely intellectual level that it is riddled with faults and should probably be burned horribly. However I still love it, with all my heart I love it enough that I am still playing it even now.

    Yeah, I agree with this wholeheartedly. I played it pretty much non-stop for three weeks straight when it first came out and still go back to it occasionally, even with all its flaws.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vi Monks wrote: »
    Can anyone comment on the RPG line-up? As I said, I've heard there are numerous good titles and I've seen Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia thrown around but I don't know much about them.

    -Blue Dragon has recieved very mixed reactions from folks here at G&T. Some absolutely hate it.
    -Vesperia looks absolutely awesome, and gorgeous to boot. I think its metacritic score is the highest of all the 360's JRPGs - 81.
    -Lost Odyssey, like Blue Dragon, has gotten somewhat mixed reaction - but I believe still belongs in the pretty-damn-good category.
    Beyond that, you get Mass Effect which very few will speak ill of. Last Remnant, it seems, is even more polarizing than Blue Dragon. Apparantly the battle system is a lot of fun, but it has ungodly loads.

    If you want a JRPG on the 360 you want Vesperia - but it's an action-RPG. If you want classic turn-based combat, I think the nod goes to Lost Odyssey.

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    The 360 is probably my personal favorite system of all time, or at least tied with the PS2, but even so, I know my not wanting to plunk down the bucks for a gaming PC has everything to do with it: I'd hold off, personally. Most of the best games are either already out on PS3 or PC or coming to the PC eventually. (Not that I'd say the PS3 is better, it's just that most of the best stuff is on both systems.)

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    As far as RPGs go, I just started Last Remnant, very fun. A lot more strategic than most Square RPGs, so if you're into that check it out.

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  • TVs_FrankTVs_Frank Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Dead Rising, man. Dead Rising. There are things you should know before going in though.

    1. Make sure you have an HDTV. The font is tiny.

    2. Fail the story the first time through and dick around for the 3 days getting to know the mall and leveling up/doing whatever achievements you think are fun.

    3. Don't get OCD. You can't see and do everything in a single playthrough.

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  • RichardTauberRichardTauber Kvlt Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    MX vs ATV Untamed was the first game I picked up for my 360 just yesterday and it's great fun. Others may swear by Pure or what the hell that other game is called, but MvA is just the best motocross racer out there.

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  • ZellZell Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I have a PC, PS3 and a 360 and the 360 doesn't get used at all. So I agree, too much games are released for both the 360 and the PS3, if you got one of them it is usually enough. However, you said you haven't played Rez and that is something you need to fix.

    Personally I would suggest getting a used PS2 and the PS2 version though, as for some reason I prefer that stereo version of the soundtrack over the XBLA's 5.1 version, but if that's out of the question, get the 360.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I'm in a slightly similar position to you except I don't have a PS3. The game that keeps tempting me to buy a 360 every time I see one at a decent discount is Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts.

    It seems like it would be a good amount of fun and I don't really know of any games that are similar.

    Still, if you don't like shooters I'd think it would be hard to justify adding a 360 to PC+PS3.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I think my only shooters are Gears and CoD4, I've mostly used my 360 for various games that my shitty computer can't possibly play, a few exclusives I dig, XBLA games that are pretty sweet, and most importantly as a Rock Band machine.

    Thus far, it's been worth it in my opinion. My rule is that if you're paying X dollars for a console you should be interested in at least 2X dollars worth of games for it. Not that you have to get them all together but you know, it shouldn't be a $300 machine to play Fallout 3.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Thanks for the replies, everyone. Right now I think that if the XBL Arcade offerings weren't so tempting, I would toss out this idea. A lot of those RPGs (and Dead Rising) sound like a lot of fun but nothing I couldn't live without. And as far as shooters go, I'm not absolutely opposed to picking them up -- it's just that they have to be particularly appealing and something I can't get on PC. Killzone 2, for instance, will be bought hard. And as I've said, local and online co-op can make me forgive a lot of faults (or my own distaste for a game), so Gears 2 might be something I would pick up.

    As far as finding a way to play Rez goes, my PS3 is the old kind so it's backward compatible. I've just had trouble justifying 50 bucks for an old, short PS2 game. But maybe I should just take the plunge.

    Well at this point I think it's on me to check out the games mentioned and see if I can justify it -- though if anyone thinks of any gems thus far left out, let's hear it. Is there a list somewhere of XBL Arcade games I could look through?

    Also, someone had to have played Culdcept Saga. Tell me it's awesome. Please.

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vi Monks wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies, everyone. Right now I think that if the XBL Arcade offerings weren't so tempting, I would toss out this idea. A lot of those RPGs (and Dead Rising) sound like a lot of fun but nothing I couldn't live without. And as far as shooters go, I'm not absolutely opposed to picking them up -- it's just that they have to be particularly appealing and something I can't get on PC. Killzone 2, for instance, will be bought hard. And as I've said, local and online co-op can make me forgive a lot of faults (or my own distaste for a game), so Gears 2 might be something I would pick up.

    As far as finding a way to play Rez goes, my PS3 is the old kind so it's backward compatible. I've just had trouble justifying 50 bucks for an old, short PS2 game. But maybe I should just take the plunge.

    Well at this point I think it's on me to check out the games mentioned and see if I can justify it -- though if anyone thinks of any gems thus far left out, let's hear it. Is there a list somewhere of XBL Arcade games I could look through?

    Also, someone had to have played Culdcept Saga. Tell me it's awesome. Please.

    Culdcept Saga is great... If you have someone to play with. The online community is pretty tiny and the players left are incredibly hardcore, so I would only recommend it if you don't mind playing against incredibly stupid AI in a deep and strategic game, or if you have friends that you know would enjoy the game with you. Luckily, you can play with multiple players with the same 360 and copy of the game, and if I recall correctly there's even a way for you all to build your own decks from the same bank of cards earned by one player's progress.

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Vi Monks wrote: »
    Well at this point I think it's on me to check out the games mentioned and see if I can justify it -- though if anyone thinks of any gems thus far left out, let's hear it. Is there a list somewhere of XBL Arcade games I could look through?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_Live_Arcade_games

    There was a pretty detailed XBLA Recommendation thread in G&T within the past week or so, so I'd do a search. I'd also check out the XNA Community Games thread.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Culdcept Saga is great... If you have someone to play with. The online community is pretty tiny and the players left are incredibly hardcore, so I would only recommend it if you don't mind playing against incredibly stupid AI in a deep and strategic game, or if you have friends that you know would enjoy the game with you. Luckily, you can play with multiple players with the same 360 and copy of the game, and if I recall correctly there's even a way for you all to build your own decks from the same bank of cards earned by one player's progress.

    Thanks for the insight. I managed to visit a friend with a 360 and play the demo of it earlier today and I must say, it was pretty compelling. If I can find a decent community to play with (or convince my roommate), it might end up being the system seller for me.
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    Vi Monks wrote: »
    Well at this point I think it's on me to check out the games mentioned and see if I can justify it -- though if anyone thinks of any gems thus far left out, let's hear it. Is there a list somewhere of XBL Arcade games I could look through?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_Live_Arcade_games

    There was a pretty detailed XBLA Recommendation thread in G&T within the past week or so, so I'd do a search. I'd also check out the XNA Community Games thread.

    Thanks for the list. I'll browse it and try to find the Recommendation thread and see if anything pops up.

    One last thing (probably): browsing Amazon, I see I can get a new Pro 360 for around 250 and used ones significantly cheaper. I've never bought a console used before so I'm a little wary (especially with the threat of the system failing). Anyone with some experience in that area care to comment?

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If you could somehow know it was a falcon or later, it shouldn't be any more risky than usual. But that would be hard to do so I'd skip that idea.

    Keep in mind that if you can get a good price on an arcade and a hard drive that could easily be the way to go. If you don't need a lot of room I think 20gigs are especially cheap from MS right now. I know Dell often has good discounts on the consoles themselves.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If you could somehow know it was a falcon or later, it shouldn't be any more risky than usual. But that would be hard to do so I'd skip that idea.

    Keep in mind that if you can get a good price on an arcade and a hard drive that could easily be the way to go. If you don't need a lot of room I think 20gigs are especially cheap from MS right now. I know Dell often has good discounts on the consoles themselves.

    Falcon? What's this moonspeak? And can I be sure that anything I buy new would be good to go?

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  • freakish lightfreakish light butterdick jones and his heavenly asshole machineRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I thought all new models on the shelf were at least Falcons. Hell, the Jaspers are out now.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I thought all new models on the shelf were at least Falcons. Hell, the Jaspers are out now.

    Man, you guys are crazytalk.

    On another note, I just called up my family member who works at Microsoft and she can get me Banjo-Kazooie: N&B, Gears 2, Fable 2, Lost Odyssey, and Too Human for $120. This is getting hard to pass up...

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I thought all new models on the shelf were at least Falcons. Hell, the Jaspers are out now.

    Another reason one might want to go with an Arcade is that Jaspers seem more prevelent in that SKU.

    Heh, did someone say moonspeak?

    Falcon and Jaspter are the codenames for the latest 360 revisions. The biggest advantage of the latest "Jasper" seems to be that it puts out less heat so the fans (but not the drive) are quieter and it has more internal memory.

    In any case any new 360 (not so sure about elites) should be a Falcon or a Jasper and thus shouldn't have a super high rate of RRODs.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    IMHO with a PC and a PS3 a 360 is overkill.

    I have all three. What's wrong with that?

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I thought all new models on the shelf were at least Falcons. Hell, the Jaspers are out now.

    Another reason one might want to go with an Arcade is that Jaspers seem more prevelent in that SKU.

    Heh, did someone say moonspeak?

    Falcon and Jaspter are the codenames for the latest 360 revisions. The biggest advantage of the latest "Jasper" seems to be that it puts out less heat so the fans (but not the drive) are quieter and it has more internal memory.

    In any case any new 360 (not so sure about elites) should be a Falcon or a Jasper and thus shouldn't have a super high rate of RRODs.

    Good to know. Thanks for the explanation.

    Edit: Looking at Microsoft's site, it says the Arcade has no backwards compatibility. That's a bit off-putting, as I never had a oXbox and I might want to pick some of those titles up at some point.

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  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro cloaked in the midnight glory of an event horizonRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    The Arcade isn't backwards compatible because it doesn't have a hard drive, but if you wanted you could buy a hard drive separately later and add it on and it'd be fine.

    Note that you also have to be connected to Xbox Live for BC.

    Also the game has to be on the BC List.

    But it sounds like you're wanting to do Live Marketplace stuff already, like Castle Crashers, Braid, etc., so you should just get one with a hard drive from the start.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    The Arcade isn't backwards compatible because it doesn't have a hard drive, but if you wanted you could buy a hard drive separately later and add it on and it'd be fine.

    Note that you also have to be connected to Xbox Live for BC.

    Also the game has to be on the BC List.

    But it sounds like you're wanting to do Live Marketplace stuff already, like Castle Crashers, Braid, etc., so you should just get one with a hard drive from the start.

    Well I could get a hard drive separately as some here have suggested but I'm having trouble finding one that isn't a 120 gig. But either way, thanks for clearing that up.

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