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Octuplets & Being a single mother with 14 children.

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    Richard_DastardlyRichard_Dastardly Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    If this was a year ago I'm wondering if she wasn't his same size or something. Pregnancy can do a number on you.

    I don't think it'd make you get taller though... I think most girls reach their adult height by 14 (i'm same height as I was at 12), and babies leech calcium out of the body, so I don't think she'd grow much if she was still growing.

    It can escalate the growth process as the body hurries to reach the proper size to care for the child, due to the sudden influx of hormones (does happen to have a number on the bones as some people have had early signs of osteoporosis -- although I can't find the quote in my textbook from my bio class I think this may have been mentioned in passing so take it at face value).

    So, does that mean she might end up growing to be larger than she would normally have been had she not gotten knocked up by the seven year old?

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Probably not, it just accelerates it. But again, that's word of mouth from my professor. He is probably completely wrong, but according to wikipedia your hips and other common puberty traits do occur with the influx of hormones so it's no crazy out there with ideas.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited February 2009
    I actually thought that 13/15 story was kinda sweet. I mean, yeah, stupid stupid kids and all, but for all their fuck ups, it seems like everyone involved is trying their hardest to make things work, even if not all the participants know what the hell they're doing just yet.

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    tranquilitytranquility Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Which hormones would accelerate height growth though? I know estrogen and progesterone both slow down growth and have been used to 'treat' girls who are 'too tall'.


    *goes off to google unless someone has an answer for me*

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    DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    Is it me or does her face/head/neck look really ass goofy? That kid could've done better.

    Apparently he wanted a girl that puts out, hotness wasn't a priority. I hear you can't get married in England till your 18, so he has all kinds of time to spread his seed before saying the vows. :lol:

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    DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I actually thought that 13/15 story was kinda sweet. I mean, yeah, stupid stupid kids and all, but for all their fuck ups, it seems like everyone involved is trying their hardest to make things work, even if not all the participants know what the hell they're doing just yet.

    Yeah, its nice to see he has some sort of "I should be a good father" morals and a notion of what that means. I'm kinda scared reality and cynicism will hit him like ton of bricks tho.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Which hormones would accelerate height growth though? I know estrogen and progesterone both slow down growth and have been used to 'treat' girls who are 'too tall'.


    *goes off to google unless someone has an answer for me*

    Testosterone? I think hCG might also play a part in it, since it can stimulate testosterone and progesterone development.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dman wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I actually thought that 13/15 story was kinda sweet. I mean, yeah, stupid stupid kids and all, but for all their fuck ups, it seems like everyone involved is trying their hardest to make things work, even if not all the participants know what the hell they're doing just yet.

    Yeah, its nice to see he has some sort of "I should be a good father" morals and a notion of what that means. I'm kinda scared reality and cynicism will hit him like ton of bricks tho.

    yeah, the kid's attitude about it is in the right place; the problem is he doesn't seem to grasp anywhere near the scope of what having a kid means (which isn't completely his fault, but whatever).

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    tranquilitytranquility Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    bowen wrote: »
    Which hormones would accelerate height growth though? I know estrogen and progesterone both slow down growth and have been used to 'treat' girls who are 'too tall'.


    *goes off to google unless someone has an answer for me*

    Testosterone? I think hCG might also play a part in it, since it can stimulate testosterone and progesterone development.

    :^: Thanks!

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    FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    Which hormones would accelerate height growth though? I know estrogen and progesterone both slow down growth and have been used to 'treat' girls who are 'too tall'.


    *goes off to google unless someone has an answer for me*

    estrogen doesn't neccarily inhibit growth, but it does make the bones fuse faster. Which has the side effect of locking in your height. Hence why women tend to be shorten than men. Less estrogen in men = longer for the bones to fuse.

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    FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    Dman wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Is it me or does her face/head/neck look really ass goofy? That kid could've done better.

    Apparently he wanted a girl that puts out, hotness wasn't a priority. I hear you can't get married in England till your 18, so he has all kinds of time to spread his seed before saying the vows. :lol:

    She's still 15, and a kid. She probably won't look like that in 10 years.

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    valiancevaliance Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Which hormones would accelerate height growth though? I know estrogen and progesterone both slow down growth and have been used to 'treat' girls who are 'too tall'.


    *goes off to google unless someone has an answer for me*

    don't forget.. growth hormone :lol: :P it controls 30-50% of adult body height
    also thyroid hormone
    there are also tons of environmental and genetic factors regulating maximum adult height: exercise, nutrition, etc.

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    She could become chief carer for boyfriend Alfie if they decided to move into a love-nest once she turns 16.

    She would become entitled to taxpayer-funded handouts — including a free council flat.

    The cash would enable her to support Maisie and the baby-faced father until he is old enough to go to work.

    The teenage pair are living with Chantelle’s jobless dad Steve, 43, and her five brothers in Eastbourne, East Sussex.

    But they could move out once she has left school and leap to the top of the council flat list.
    A welfare source said: “If they take this step, Alfie would become her child.

    “He could not be recognised as Chantelle’s partner in the eyes of the law because he is only 13. But once she is over 16, she would be in a position to act as his mother.

    “If she assumes that role, she would become eligible for all the benefits that go with it.”

    Chantelle would qualify for housing benefit and £33.20 a week child benefit for her baby and boyfriend, plus income support.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2238185.ece

    wow

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    Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Oh for the love of.

    Kill them both. Seriously.

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    DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Thats a pretty good deal, this case has nothing on the 3 girls who made a pregnancy pact a year or two ago to get council flats. One of the girls picked a hobo off the street for hers :|

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    They don't call it the Nanny State for nothing.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Thats a pretty good deal, this case has nothing on the 3 girls who made a pregnancy pact a year or two ago to get council flats. One of the girls picked a hobo off the street for hers :|

    What's a council flat?

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Thats a pretty good deal, this case has nothing on the 3 girls who made a pregnancy pact a year or two ago to get council flats. One of the girls picked a hobo off the street for hers :|

    What's a council flat?

    I imagine its a government paid for apartment.

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    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Sentry wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Thats a pretty good deal, this case has nothing on the 3 girls who made a pregnancy pact a year or two ago to get council flats. One of the girls picked a hobo off the street for hers :|

    What's a council flat?

    I imagine its a government paid for apartment.
    Basically the English version of Section 8 in the US.

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    LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    They don't call it the Nanny State for nothing.

    Yes. We should send them to the workhouses instead. That'll teach them not to have lousy parents.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Leitner wrote: »
    They don't call it the Nanny State for nothing.

    Yes. We should send them to the workhouses instead. That'll teach them not to have lousy parents.

    It would help trim the excess population.

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    Panda4YouPanda4You Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    kids these days...

    This is why we can't have nice lawns.

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    Dr Mario KartDr Mario Kart Games Dealer Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Strangely enough, the welfare state/democratic socialism is actually the solution to this problem and secondarily to the problem of overpopulation.

    When you raise the floor for standard of living up to a certain point, birth rates will naturally slow, as they have in much of Europe.

    The thing that the welfare queen wants the most is the thing that eliminates her.

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    DemerdarDemerdar Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Strangely enough, the welfare state/democratic socialism is actually the solution to this problem and secondarily to the problem of overpopulation.

    When you raise the floor for standard of living up to a certain point, birth rates will naturally slow, as they have in much of Europe.

    The thing that the welfare queen wants the most is the thing that eliminates her.

    So what about getting more welfare money inhibits people from having more children?

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Demerdar wrote: »
    So what about getting more welfare money inhibits people from having more children?

    Presumably it's their children who will be less shitty.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Demerdar wrote: »
    Strangely enough, the welfare state/democratic socialism is actually the solution to this problem and secondarily to the problem of overpopulation.

    When you raise the floor for standard of living up to a certain point, birth rates will naturally slow, as they have in much of Europe.

    The thing that the welfare queen wants the most is the thing that eliminates her.

    So what about getting more welfare money inhibits people from having more children?

    because unless you are burying said children under your trailer, you quickly realize that the money you get doesn't begin to make up for their cost.

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    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
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    Dr Mario KartDr Mario Kart Games Dealer Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Having tons of offspring is predominantly a strategy that is chosen when the environment is unstable/poor. When people are better off, they voluntarily choose to have less kids. The reason they choose to (unconsciously) is because it gives them the best odds. The welfare queen is going to start getting genetically outcompeted by people who are actually taking care of fewer kids.

    Though just handing out welfare money the way we do isnt a very good or progressive system as far as raising the standard of living.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Demerdar wrote: »
    Strangely enough, the welfare state/democratic socialism is actually the solution to this problem and secondarily to the problem of overpopulation.

    When you raise the floor for standard of living up to a certain point, birth rates will naturally slow, as they have in much of Europe.

    The thing that the welfare queen wants the most is the thing that eliminates her.

    So what about getting more welfare money inhibits people from having more children?

    The knowledge that your kid is likely to grow up an die from old age rather than malnutrition or malaria.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Unfortunately for those of us who have difficulty looking at the larger picture, overall trends do not change individual situations.

    Bettering society as a whole always leaves room for leeches.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Bettering society as a whole always leaves room for leeches.

    True, but you can't put a price on reduced cholera epidemics.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    So apparently the Octomom's publicist quit because of all the death threats. It's cool though; she has an agent now.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Having tons of offspring is predominantly a strategy that is chosen when the environment is unstable/poor. When people are better off, they voluntarily choose to have less kids. The reason they choose to (unconsciously) is because it gives them the best odds. The welfare queen is going to start getting genetically outcompeted by people who are actually taking care of fewer kids.

    Though just handing out welfare money the way we do isnt a very good or progressive system as far as raising the standard of living.

    That makes no sense. Producing tons of doomed offspring wastes a lot of energy and nutrients. It's much better to make them count when resources are scarce, and to pump 'em out when you can eat your fill.

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    KalTorak wrote: »
    So apparently the Octomom's publicist quit because of all the death threats. It's cool though; she has an agent now.

    Is this American Gothic, the Great American Story, the Greatest American Story Ever Told?

    Sometimes I get confused.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Having tons of offspring is predominantly a strategy that is chosen when the environment is unstable/poor. When people are better off, they voluntarily choose to have less kids. The reason they choose to (unconsciously) is because it gives them the best odds. The welfare queen is going to start getting genetically outcompeted by people who are actually taking care of fewer kids.

    Though just handing out welfare money the way we do isnt a very good or progressive system as far as raising the standard of living.

    That makes no sense. Producing tons of doomed offspring wastes a lot of energy and nutrients. It's much better to make them count when resources are scarce, and to pump 'em out when you can eat your fill.
    We've already dealt with this guy's lack of biological understanding back on page 8/9, I believe. Anyway something along these lines was commonly taught for a fair while in response to some demographic shifts observable with improved standards of living, but the model has started to break down since then - birth rates are dropping all over with not much connection to standard of living metrics, or even BC access metrics. Its kind of weird, actually. There was something in the Economist about it in a recent issue, IIRC.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Malkor wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    So apparently the Octomom's publicist quit because of all the death threats. It's cool though; she has an agent now.

    Is this American Gothic, the Great American Story, the Greatest American Story Ever Told?

    Sometimes I get confused.

    Mom buys the ability to have a shitload of kids on credit all at the same time, government pays for their care while she somehow manages to make millions?

    Shit, it's like the American Dream and the Communist Dream all rolled into a big pile of shit stew and mixed metaphors.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    So apparently the Octomom's publicist quit because of all the death threats. It's cool though; she has an agent now.

    Is this American Gothic, the Great American Story, the Greatest American Story Ever Told?

    Sometimes I get confused.

    Mom buys the ability to have a shitload of kids on credit all at the same time, government pays for their care while she somehow manages to make millions?

    Shit, it's like the American Dream and the Communist Dream all rolled into a big pile of shit stew and mixed metaphors.

    Although stew would be a good solution, and would make a good accompaniment to the cold sandwiches.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    So apparently the Octomom's publicist quit because of all the death threats. It's cool though; she has an agent now.

    Is this American Gothic, the Great American Story, the Greatest American Story Ever Told?

    Sometimes I get confused.

    Mom buys the ability to have a shitload of kids on credit all at the same time, government pays for their care while she somehow manages to make millions?

    Shit, it's like the American Dream and the Communist Dream all rolled into a big pile of shit stew and mixed metaphors.

    Although stew would be a good solution, and would make a good accompaniment to the cold sandwiches.
    That sounds like quite A Modest Proposal to me.

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    Richard_DastardlyRichard_Dastardly Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Having tons of offspring is predominantly a strategy that is chosen when the environment is unstable/poor. When people are better off, they voluntarily choose to have less kids. The reason they choose to (unconsciously) is because it gives them the best odds. The welfare queen is going to start getting genetically outcompeted by people who are actually taking care of fewer kids.

    Though just handing out welfare money the way we do isnt a very good or progressive system as far as raising the standard of living.

    That makes no sense. Producing tons of doomed offspring wastes a lot of energy and nutrients. It's much better to make them count when resources are scarce, and to pump 'em out when you can eat your fill.

    The whole "shit-load of offspring" theory might make sense in areas with high infant mortality rates... but it's pretty much bunk in any modern case.

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    Richard_DastardlyRichard_Dastardly Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dman wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I actually thought that 13/15 story was kinda sweet. I mean, yeah, stupid stupid kids and all, but for all their fuck ups, it seems like everyone involved is trying their hardest to make things work, even if not all the participants know what the hell they're doing just yet.

    Yeah, its nice to see he has some sort of "I should be a good father" morals and a notion of what that means. I'm kinda scared reality and cynicism will hit him like ton of bricks tho.

    And the kid might not be the dad.

    And she was banging 8 other kids, apparently.

    And... wtf... her mom let boys stay over?

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The Cat wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Having tons of offspring is predominantly a strategy that is chosen when the environment is unstable/poor. When people are better off, they voluntarily choose to have less kids. The reason they choose to (unconsciously) is because it gives them the best odds. The welfare queen is going to start getting genetically outcompeted by people who are actually taking care of fewer kids.

    Though just handing out welfare money the way we do isnt a very good or progressive system as far as raising the standard of living.

    That makes no sense. Producing tons of doomed offspring wastes a lot of energy and nutrients. It's much better to make them count when resources are scarce, and to pump 'em out when you can eat your fill.
    We've already dealt with this guy's lack of biological understanding back on page 8/9, I believe. Anyway something along these lines was commonly taught for a fair while in response to some demographic shifts observable with improved standards of living, but the model has started to break down since then - birth rates are dropping all over with not much connection to standard of living metrics, or even BC access metrics. Its kind of weird, actually. There was something in the Economist about it in a recent issue, IIRC.
    Globalization maybe? I don't know - it occurs to me that people these days, wherever they are, are awareof and maybe even desire the world outside their own.

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