So what happened to Scans Daily? I headed that-away this morning and found that it's been suspended. Did they break one too many copy right rules or what?
Reportedly, Peter David happened. There's Livejournal Internet Dramaâ„¢ involved, so I didn't bother finding out much beyond that since I might injure my eyeballs rolling them too hard.
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The funny thing is that it wasn't even Peter David's fault; although he complained to Marvel S_D had already been suspended before they could do anything
of course, this doesn't stop the babies at S_D from having a shitfit and cursing his name unto the seventh generation. Oh well!
Im actuallya tad concerned my blog might get taken down now since I post moments of the week every week, which feature a bunch of scans (not whole issues or anything though, but a fair amount of "copyrighted material").
Honestly, I don't know how PAD expects the book to triple in sales without the distribution of scans. Word of mouth is a possibility, but it doesn't really do the book justice.
I don't know how he expects to triple sales period. Even the Sinestro Corps War, which was monumentally well-received, failed to do that for GLC and GL in the long term. Unless he's trying for a short term boost ala the death of Captain America, there's no way it'll happen.
Mainstream comics have, traditionally, been trending downwards for years. Books like Invincible and Walking Dead have managed to steadily grow their readership, but I can't recall a single instance of a DC/Marvel book accomplishing a similar feat.
Huh. Of all the sites doing comics scans I would have thought that was among the least injurious to sales around. I mean, half the scans seemed to be from older comics and they never appeared to post the entirety of a comic.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited February 2009
/de-lurk
Scans Daily was directly responsible for getting me to pick up 5 comics within the past year (Incredible Hercules, ironically X-Factor, Detective Comics, Ghost Rider, and Robin). Not to mention all the trades I picked up because of them, most notably Slott's She-Hulk run, Batgirl, and the old Waid Flash trades. Now, while I didn't buy the issue that was put up, I would pick up the following issue. So while S_D initially lost Marvel or DC $3, they gained an additional 3 for each title each month. The community was crazy and over the top in everything being misogynistic, but the scans were worth the visit.
It was just a bad day yesterday. On top of S_D going down, Newsarama was updated to be even more shitty in both the forums and the comment section. I get the feeling now they don't want a community there, and will just report comic news. Maybe I'll start posting here now, because I love Peter Tomasi and Impulse too (I actually have a commision sketch by Carlo Barberi of Impulse running on water, I'll upload it one day)
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Bloods EndBlade of TyshallePunch dimensionRegistered Userregular
edited February 2009
I bought the L'll Justice League issues of Batman/Superman based on the scans I saw, but the people there represent all that is reprehensible about comic fans.
I bought the L'll Justice League issues of Batman/Superman based on the scans I saw, but the people there represent all that is reprehensible about comic fans.
Most are about the same level as Newsarama or CBR forums. They're just allowed to swear on S_D. What that says about average comic book communities scares me.
Apparently Peter David complained because someone posted an entire issue of X-Factor. Which is a legitimate complaint, so whatever.
I won't miss the place. For every benefit, it had about nine terrible things.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited February 2009
I look view the main sites this way:
-The Beat is a bit arrogant and pompous, thinking evreything not indie is somehow bad 90's work. There was this big uproar there about Nightwing #149 being everything that's wrong with current comics that I still don't quite understand.
-CBR has a lot of know-it-all types who always speak past someone and never to them. CBR also has the worst way of presenting interviews and writing articles, much like kids were taught in junior high yearbook class or something. Very stuttered and filled with more exposition than a Claremont comic. A recent Claremont comic.
-Newsarama has members who make good points in the news/articles/features/ sections, but everything turns to shit in the Marvel/DC/Talk @ forums, which is where people label the site as being full of r-tards. The new layout and usual softball interviews don't help it either.
-Scans_Daily had a great product but accompanied by some weird, weird people and some weird complaints. And when they wouldn't properly label posts and you click on it and you see terrible, terrible things, it stabs at your soul. I did buy a bunch of Ostrander Suicide Squad back issues because of that site too.
But the posts where PAD came in wasnt to complain about the scans. he actually logged in to argue with people over insults against him, not to complain about entire issues posted. And S_D only allows 11 images to be posted of a comic and there werent even that many in the thread he posted in.
Scans Daily was directly responsible for getting me to pick up 5 comics within the past year (Incredible Hercules, ironically X-Factor, Detective Comics, Ghost Rider, and Robin). Not to mention all the trades I picked up because of them, most notably Slott's She-Hulk run, Batgirl, and the old Waid Flash trades. Now, while I didn't buy the issue that was put up, I would pick up the following issue. So while S_D initially lost Marvel or DC $3, they gained an additional 3 for each title each month. The community was crazy and over the top in everything being misogynistic, but the scans were worth the visit.
It was just a bad day yesterday. On top of S_D going down, Newsarama was updated to be even more shitty in both the forums and the comment section. I get the feeling now they don't want a community there, and will just report comic news. Maybe I'll start posting here now, because I love Peter Tomasi and Impulse too (I actually have a commision sketch by Carlo Barberi of Impulse running on water, I'll upload it one day)
marvel and dc dont make $3 on a comic. when you order from diamond, the more you order the better deal you get, so in most cases the stores are only paying half the cover price of the comic. so if stores only pay 1.50 for a comic, how much does marvel get of that? a dollar?
your also forgetting about your local comic book store. if people can find this stuff online, why would they go spend the three dollars at the store. if you want to take a risk on a book, spend that three dollars. everyone here will praise a book and tell you how good it is without scanning and posting the pages.
put yourself in the other side shoes
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
Scans Daily was directly responsible for getting me to pick up 5 comics within the past year (Incredible Hercules, ironically X-Factor, Detective Comics, Ghost Rider, and Robin). Not to mention all the trades I picked up because of them, most notably Slott's She-Hulk run, Batgirl, and the old Waid Flash trades. Now, while I didn't buy the issue that was put up, I would pick up the following issue. So while S_D initially lost Marvel or DC $3, they gained an additional 3 for each title each month. The community was crazy and over the top in everything being misogynistic, but the scans were worth the visit.
It was just a bad day yesterday. On top of S_D going down, Newsarama was updated to be even more shitty in both the forums and the comment section. I get the feeling now they don't want a community there, and will just report comic news. Maybe I'll start posting here now, because I love Peter Tomasi and Impulse too (I actually have a commision sketch by Carlo Barberi of Impulse running on water, I'll upload it one day)
marvel and dc dont make $3 on a comic. when you order from diamond, the more you order the better deal you get, so in most cases the stores are only paying half the cover price of the comic. so if stores only pay 1.50 for a comic, how much does marvel get of that? a dollar?
your also forgetting about your local comic book store. if people can find this stuff online, why would they go spend the three dollars at the store. if you want to take a risk on a book, spend that three dollars. everyone here will praise a book and tell you how good it is without scanning and posting the pages.
put yourself in the other side shoes
1) It's not our fault Marvel and DC use a shitty business model for their publishing and distribution. We pay at least 2.99 (now 3.99 on the more popular books). If Diamond takes too much of that, well, that needs to be fixed. Maybe by actually trying to start a decent digital model.
2)Generally, we buy stuff if it's good. If I go to the LCS, I am going to flip through a book first to see if it's any good before I buy it. (Heck, I read the first couple chapters of a book in a regular bookstore.) If it sucks, it doesn't matter whether I saw it online, but I don't really have time to flip through every book, so s_d (and here) was kinda nice in that fashion. Of course, it also warned me about terrible books, so whatever.
Yes, it had a lot of weird people, but 1)internet, 2)usually they tagged which posts you should avoid, and 3)they had a lot of posters that actually were really passionate about their fandom, which was kinda fun.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Scans Daily was directly responsible for getting me to pick up 5 comics within the past year (Incredible Hercules, ironically X-Factor, Detective Comics, Ghost Rider, and Robin). Not to mention all the trades I picked up because of them, most notably Slott's She-Hulk run, Batgirl, and the old Waid Flash trades. Now, while I didn't buy the issue that was put up, I would pick up the following issue. So while S_D initially lost Marvel or DC $3, they gained an additional 3 for each title each month. The community was crazy and over the top in everything being misogynistic, but the scans were worth the visit.
It was just a bad day yesterday. On top of S_D going down, Newsarama was updated to be even more shitty in both the forums and the comment section. I get the feeling now they don't want a community there, and will just report comic news. Maybe I'll start posting here now, because I love Peter Tomasi and Impulse too (I actually have a commision sketch by Carlo Barberi of Impulse running on water, I'll upload it one day)
marvel and dc dont make $3 on a comic. when you order from diamond, the more you order the better deal you get, so in most cases the stores are only paying half the cover price of the comic. so if stores only pay 1.50 for a comic, how much does marvel get of that? a dollar?
your also forgetting about your local comic book store. if people can find this stuff online, why would they go spend the three dollars at the store. if you want to take a risk on a book, spend that three dollars. everyone here will praise a book and tell you how good it is without scanning and posting the pages.
put yourself in the other side shoes
Some things can't translate well without seeing the actual image. Ares stealing every scene he was in in Incredible Hercules, for example, doesn't work by just typing it. This is stretching it, but you don't buy a new car just by reviews, you need to get in the car yourself to drive and see if it's for you. You don't buy a TV series on DVD just blindly, you Youtube or Hulu an episode to see if it's worth it.
It's not even spending the money on books I may consider, it's finding out about books that I never considered before I saw it on S_D
I'm not defending complete issues being put up online, I don't think anyone is. I won't now download comics, but I have lost the thing that helped me in choosing which new comics to buy. And as also stated, posting some images of back issues and some trades spur me on to buy those trades. I never would have picked up Robin Year One had I not seen some pages, because where else can you find them? The same for those old back issues that aren't in trades yet, like Suicide Squad. In fact, because of those scans I helped my LCS by buying more than just new releases.
Not only did the peeps at Scans Daily turn me on to comics I would never otherwise had read, but through them I now know more about the comics that I do read. I've picked up Ex Machina since issue 1 and loved it, but I had no idea about some of the subtext that's gone into it before someone on SD took the time to collect scans from various issues and point it out.
Im actuallya tad concerned my blog might get taken down now since I post moments of the week every week, which feature a bunch of scans (not whole issues or anything though, but a fair amount of "copyrighted material").
i wouldn't worry about it. since you're not making a profit off your blog (presumably), and you're not making available entire representations of works of "art"(ie comics), you're fine under a fair use argument.
think of how many blogs also post scans for reviews and discussions. i think guys like chris sims and bully and scott tipton would rank ahead of your fairly new blog anyway.
i kind of doubt marvel/dc brought any sort of legal force to bear anyway. it's possible that they would have, but i suspect that livejournal terminated the account as a preventative measure, to cover themselves upon receiving complaints. i believe they have tos rights to suspend any account they want for whatever reason, so.
I figure this is just Livejournal covering their tail. I saw it as harmless to sales myself, in fact, it was probably beneficial to the medium. Mass exposure, even if that exposure happens to be issues in their entirety, would steer more potential readers into the market then it would steal single-issue purchases in my opinion. It works splendidly for film, television, and dedicated on-line entertainment, so I see no reason why this kind of thing couldn't and hasn't worked for comic books.
It's funny though, I had never even heard of Scans Daily or on-line copyright infringement of comics until this thread, and I've been reading comics for years. I don't know what my point is, just sharing.
Yes, it had a lot of weird people, but 1)internet, 2)usually they tagged which posts you should avoid, and 3)they had a lot of posters that actually were really passionate about their fandom, which was kinda fun.
they were passionate about their fandom in the same way hitler was passionate about his reich
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edited March 2009
About damn time.
Sites like this are a leech on the internet.
It's kind of sad though that I won't hear about creators like PAD and Slott popping up around there for some godforsaken reason to pointlessly try to engage the abyss that is Scans Daily anymore. That shit was hilarious.
It's kind of sad though that I won't hear about creators like PAD and Slott popping up around there for some godforsaken reason to pointlessly try to engage the abyss that is Scans Daily anymore. That shit was hilarious.
Meh, most of the creators on Scans_daily were pretty cool.
I sympathize with any creators who felt their work was spoiled. I JUST this week had the ending of my latest issue of Wonder Woman spoiled. But I don’t believe there was any malice. Quite the opposite, I believe that the poster intended only positive things and meant only to spread the word. I find that to be the motive there again and again. “Hey, I liked this book…take a look at this cool stuff in it!â€
Do we really want to try to stop that instinct?
I propose a potential solution. I think, if S-D rebuilds, and I hope they do, I suggest that they make it part of the rules that if a creator or publisher objects to a particular post as being too spoiler-y, that the poster be given the choice to either modify or delete the offending posts. I would be very surprised if more than a tiny handful of creators took advantage of such a resource, but it would certainly show goodwill and I’m sure many skeptical creators would appreciate it. They might be brought more into the process. It’s not Draconian, it’s merely good faith cooperation. A creator might ask for a page to be removed. Surely that’s better than having the site nuked over a single post?
I have spoken with some S-D mods and the thing that I felt is undeniable is that they DO respect the creators and sincerely believe that what they are doing isn’t hurtful. That they self-imposed their own ethical guidelines and rigorously enforce them speaks volumes.
These people are not the enemy. They’re the good guys, and the alternative is SO much worse. You think what S-D is bad?
Watch and see what pops up in its place.
There's also an argument that destroying what was, arguably, the largest female-centric community of fans on the internet was a bit ill-advised. I'm not entirely sure how to feel about that, but I do think S_D was a pretty unique community, and it's an unfortunate thing that it's gone.
Yes, it had a lot of weird people, but 1)internet, 2)usually they tagged which posts you should avoid, and 3)they had a lot of posters that actually were really passionate about their fandom, which was kinda fun.
they were passionate about their fandom in the same way hitler was passionate about his reich
Yes. A bunch of people posting scans from a comic book on an internet website is exactly like HITLER.
If PAD didn't want people spoiling his comic, he's pretty screwed now. I imagine there's going to be tons of people out there who will now post it wherever they can in retaliation(not saying it was PAD's fault, just that it's going to be perceive this way)
And I get annoyed at the "Good riddance to the freaks!" mentality that some people have. If you want to take on the iffy copyright issue, go right ahead, but the "we're better than them" thing is just plain stupid. We're all on the internet, talking about comics.
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of course, this doesn't stop the babies at S_D from having a shitfit and cursing his name unto the seventh generation. Oh well!
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Mainstream comics have, traditionally, been trending downwards for years. Books like Invincible and Walking Dead have managed to steadily grow their readership, but I can't recall a single instance of a DC/Marvel book accomplishing a similar feat.
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Scans Daily was directly responsible for getting me to pick up 5 comics within the past year (Incredible Hercules, ironically X-Factor, Detective Comics, Ghost Rider, and Robin). Not to mention all the trades I picked up because of them, most notably Slott's She-Hulk run, Batgirl, and the old Waid Flash trades. Now, while I didn't buy the issue that was put up, I would pick up the following issue. So while S_D initially lost Marvel or DC $3, they gained an additional 3 for each title each month. The community was crazy and over the top in everything being misogynistic, but the scans were worth the visit.
It was just a bad day yesterday. On top of S_D going down, Newsarama was updated to be even more shitty in both the forums and the comment section. I get the feeling now they don't want a community there, and will just report comic news. Maybe I'll start posting here now, because I love Peter Tomasi and Impulse too (I actually have a commision sketch by Carlo Barberi of Impulse running on water, I'll upload it one day)
Most are about the same level as Newsarama or CBR forums. They're just allowed to swear on S_D. What that says about average comic book communities scares me.
I won't miss the place. For every benefit, it had about nine terrible things.
-The Beat is a bit arrogant and pompous, thinking evreything not indie is somehow bad 90's work. There was this big uproar there about Nightwing #149 being everything that's wrong with current comics that I still don't quite understand.
-CBR has a lot of know-it-all types who always speak past someone and never to them. CBR also has the worst way of presenting interviews and writing articles, much like kids were taught in junior high yearbook class or something. Very stuttered and filled with more exposition than a Claremont comic. A recent Claremont comic.
-Newsarama has members who make good points in the news/articles/features/ sections, but everything turns to shit in the Marvel/DC/Talk @ forums, which is where people label the site as being full of r-tards. The new layout and usual softball interviews don't help it either.
-Scans_Daily had a great product but accompanied by some weird, weird people and some weird complaints. And when they wouldn't properly label posts and you click on it and you see terrible, terrible things, it stabs at your soul. I did buy a bunch of Ostrander Suicide Squad back issues because of that site too.
marvel and dc dont make $3 on a comic. when you order from diamond, the more you order the better deal you get, so in most cases the stores are only paying half the cover price of the comic. so if stores only pay 1.50 for a comic, how much does marvel get of that? a dollar?
your also forgetting about your local comic book store. if people can find this stuff online, why would they go spend the three dollars at the store. if you want to take a risk on a book, spend that three dollars. everyone here will praise a book and tell you how good it is without scanning and posting the pages.
put yourself in the other side shoes
2)Generally, we buy stuff if it's good. If I go to the LCS, I am going to flip through a book first to see if it's any good before I buy it. (Heck, I read the first couple chapters of a book in a regular bookstore.) If it sucks, it doesn't matter whether I saw it online, but I don't really have time to flip through every book, so s_d (and here) was kinda nice in that fashion. Of course, it also warned me about terrible books, so whatever.
Yes, it had a lot of weird people, but 1)internet, 2)usually they tagged which posts you should avoid, and 3)they had a lot of posters that actually were really passionate about their fandom, which was kinda fun.
Some things can't translate well without seeing the actual image. Ares stealing every scene he was in in Incredible Hercules, for example, doesn't work by just typing it. This is stretching it, but you don't buy a new car just by reviews, you need to get in the car yourself to drive and see if it's for you. You don't buy a TV series on DVD just blindly, you Youtube or Hulu an episode to see if it's worth it.
It's not even spending the money on books I may consider, it's finding out about books that I never considered before I saw it on S_D
I'm not defending complete issues being put up online, I don't think anyone is. I won't now download comics, but I have lost the thing that helped me in choosing which new comics to buy. And as also stated, posting some images of back issues and some trades spur me on to buy those trades. I never would have picked up Robin Year One had I not seen some pages, because where else can you find them? The same for those old back issues that aren't in trades yet, like Suicide Squad. In fact, because of those scans I helped my LCS by buying more than just new releases.
The Newsarama forums spoiled the ending before anyone else did, really.
Yeah, and if he really expected no one to spoil the ending to 40 in particular he was/is crazy.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Because we're only ants to his eagle or something.
Now that is the kind of thing I can get behind.
i wouldn't worry about it. since you're not making a profit off your blog (presumably), and you're not making available entire representations of works of "art"(ie comics), you're fine under a fair use argument.
think of how many blogs also post scans for reviews and discussions. i think guys like chris sims and bully and scott tipton would rank ahead of your fairly new blog anyway.
i kind of doubt marvel/dc brought any sort of legal force to bear anyway. it's possible that they would have, but i suspect that livejournal terminated the account as a preventative measure, to cover themselves upon receiving complaints. i believe they have tos rights to suspend any account they want for whatever reason, so.
It's funny though, I had never even heard of Scans Daily or on-line copyright infringement of comics until this thread, and I've been reading comics for years. I don't know what my point is, just sharing.
I mean, I went there at least once a day, and never bothered to read the comments. I just looked at the pretty pictures.
edit- not the gay ones though. Noir's all man.
they were passionate about their fandom in the same way hitler was passionate about his reich
Sites like this are a leech on the internet.
It's kind of sad though that I won't hear about creators like PAD and Slott popping up around there for some godforsaken reason to pointlessly try to engage the abyss that is Scans Daily anymore. That shit was hilarious.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/03/just-past-the-horizon-the-male-space-is-just-better-hidden/#more-4944
And Gail Simone had some interesting things to say.
There's also an argument that destroying what was, arguably, the largest female-centric community of fans on the internet was a bit ill-advised. I'm not entirely sure how to feel about that, but I do think S_D was a pretty unique community, and it's an unfortunate thing that it's gone.
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And I get annoyed at the "Good riddance to the freaks!" mentality that some people have. If you want to take on the iffy copyright issue, go right ahead, but the "we're better than them" thing is just plain stupid. We're all on the internet, talking about comics.
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