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While true, the other two have a socket so you can drop a +30 stam gem in it and get close enough that the extra stats and AP will do far more for you than 150 stam.
The 4 Piece tier bonus isn't really that great. I crafted the 245 chest and bracers, then went with the 245 shoulders, and I will get the 245 helm soon.
Staff of trickery (HVH) is a great stop gap till you can get a better one. Right now I'm using the essence of the gossamer and the 245 badge armor trinket. I tried for a while to get the black heart, but I never saw it and gave up.
Agreed on skipping 4T9 in favor of the higher ilevel pieces you can pick up in those slots. You really don't need that slight cooldown reduction for heroics (and for the progression content where it might be useful, T9 is out of date anyway). 2T9 is quite handy though for tanking heroics with DPS that outgears you or likes to single target burn three different targets.
There's your shopping list, run the above instances every day keeping an eye out for the pieces you need. The JC ring/neck and LW cloak should probably be the first things you get crafted, and the runed orb and crusader orb pieces shouldn't be too difficult to acquire. If you can buy the primordials for the crafted boots you should do so, but don't spend badges on them. If you have a profession that can make a bop stam trinket (JC, Eng, Alch?) you should definitely do it. Remember the icc 5mans drop 219s, heroics 232s, toc5 drops 200s, heroic 219s. You'll usually want to go for higher item level gear because it has more armor and sockets and usually better stats, but sometimes a better itemized lower level item (ex: LW cloak) will be better for you.
And HToC is a lot less soul-crushing to PUG than HHoR, which is why someone would recommend aiming for the HToC one first (especially since you have a chance to get it before you're even really able to tank HHoR).
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edited March 2010
The triumph non-set helm has armor pen (very weak for bear) while the set helm has expertise. So although it is of a lower itemlevel it's better.
The same goes for the the crusader-orb crafted chest: It has hit and armorpen. You need very little hit for heroics, so the set chest (crit and haste) is better, imo. At least it's not worth the cost to craft the higher level chest to just get one more socket.
Remember that the Ulduar crafted stuff (boots, belt) is much cheaper in 3.3.3, so I'd wait for those and just get the Polar (frost resistance+stamina) stuff for those slots.
so... it seems the set headpiece is the better to go with. I already purchased the shoulders unfortunately but when I have a pile of triumph again I could come back for the nonset shoulders if they are worth it.
I think I'm good on trinkets for the time being. I forgot I had both brewfest ones.
And HToC is a lot less soul-crushing to PUG than HHoR, which is why someone would recommend aiming for the HToC one first (especially since you have a chance to get it before you're even really able to tank HHoR).
Also, HHOR is a festering pile of terrible.
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GrobianWhat's on sale?Pliers!Registered Userregular
edited March 2010
I like HHoR, even as a bear, but only if I get a group without silly geese.
Another topic: I think it's hilarious that my lol-trash-dps glyph choice for my Moonkin spec is becoming the best setup for raiding moonkin in 3.3.3. I have both Starfall glyphs (+ a supoptimal spec) and that let's me top the damage meters with still some blue gear and no enchants whatsoever. I can't even imagine what Starfall damage will be like in the next patch.
Are there any trinkets worth having that I can get through heroics? I have the Abyssal Rune and Darkmoon Card:Death currently and will try for the Nevermelting Ice Crystal (If I ever get a group without a caster that rolls on it). Anything else?
Craziness this weekend. I finally got 60 emblems of frost so now I have the stam trinket. Run H HoR and get the orca harpoon. I gem it and enchant it with mongoose. I then run ony10 and of course I get the reclaimed thunderstrike.
I'm glad I got it because it is a way better weapon for me than the harpoon, it just really sucks that it came right after I gemmed and enchanted the thing. It is pretty annoying that the best enchant for us comes from the last expansion making the mats fairly ridiculous to buy, and annoying to farm.
Anyway here is my druid, think I'm ready to take on ICC10? A pug didn't think so last night and then spent another 30 mins looking for a tank. The leader then whispers me and asks if I can heal it. Wtf?
Craziness this weekend. I finally got 60 emblems of frost so now I have the stam trinket. Run H HoR and get the orca harpoon. I gem it and enchant it with mongoose. I then run ony10 and of course I get the reclaimed thunderstrike.
I'm glad I got it because it is a way better weapon for me than the harpoon, it just really sucks that it came right after I gemmed and enchanted the thing. It is pretty annoying that the best enchant for us comes from the last expansion making the mats fairly ridiculous to buy, and annoying to farm.
Anyway here is my druid, think I'm ready to take on ICC10? A pug didn't think so last night and then spent another 30 mins looking for a tank. The leader then whispers me and asks if I can heal it. Wtf?
You appear to be geared as intended for Lower Spire. PuG leaders are often paranoid and ignorant, though, so I'm not surprised they wanted someone who outgeared the content.
You should be fine to tank ICC10 normal. Only a few replacements: the DPS ring needs to go, heart of iron should be swapped with The Black Heart, and pick-up the badge cloak when you can. Then work on replacing everything but your chest with T10 and your chest with Ikfirius' Sack of Wonder.
The black heart is a myth, I'm not going to run Reg ToC5 for a trinket that never drops for an alt. And yes I'm well aware that I need to get T10, that's why I want to run ICC10 I need the badges. Two a day isn't going to cut it.
Ah, okay. You asked about it a page ago so wasn't sure if you had done any further research. It's a shitty enchant in that it gets marginalized fairly fast, but I wonder if you are 140 or so from the cap if it's good.
The black heart is a myth, I'm not going to run Reg ToC5 for a trinket that never drops for an alt. And yes I'm well aware that I need to get T10, that's why I want to run ICC10 I need the badges. Two a day isn't going to cut it.
Pisses me off that my DK was doing ToC5 with family and it dropped 4 times while my DK was in a group but waiting for a group for my Warrior to tank takes 15 to 30 minutes and that thing never drops.
edit: The family group thing isn't happening right now because our schedules aren't meshing very well.
Ah, okay. You asked about it a page ago so wasn't sure if you had done any further research. It's a shitty enchant in that it gets marginalized fairly fast, but I wonder if you are 140 or so from the cap if it's good.
I might get to try it this week, as we're able to rotate our Shadowmourne people through as OTs on the wing bosses and I'm able to DPS.
Messing around with numbers on Toskk's, which weapon enchant is best seems more dependent on your AP than anything. At 10,000 unbuffed AP (which is right about where my druid is), I could not get Executioner to be better than Mongoose at any value of Armor Pen (though it would come within 3 dps at exactly 1240). Changing my unbuffed AP to 11,000, it would be the best weapon enchant at any value of Arpen between 1000-1240.
All three weapon enchants were very close to each other, though (within 13 dps of each other in my current gear). Close enough that I'm not sure you could tell the difference between them empirically.
Annd ArP capped. In hindsight, it seems pretty easy to hit, the only things I have that are "hard" to get are the neck from Sindragosa 10, the ring from Rotface 10 heroic, and the ring from Saurfang 10 heroic. Everything else can be bought with badges or is from much lower tiers of content.
Question for you droods, I've been thinking about restarting my drood up, and I wanted to know the relative value of 2pc/4pc t9 for resto and kitty.
Worth pushing for 4pc for both, or are the offset triumph items better? Any pieces that are must-have?
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edited March 2010
I'm going to lock this thread soon, somebody best get a new OP ready.
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Question for you droods, I've been thinking about restarting my drood up, and I wanted to know the relative value of 2pc/4pc t9 for resto and kitty.
Worth pushing for 4pc for both, or are the offset triumph items better? Any pieces that are must-have?
2T9 Cat is good if you're concerned with single target raid DPS, but not too important if you're just doing heroics and whatnot.
4T9 Cat is pretty meh. Don't bother with it as there are higher level and/or better pieces you can get in at least 3 of those slots.
Having just got 4pce T9 for Resto, I can say that critting rejuv's are pretty insanely good.
I have zero ambition to get T10 untill I can get 4pce, and even then I really don't know. I'll let someone that does maths figure that out.
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Monkey Ball WarriorA collection of mediocre hatsSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
edited March 2010
So my friend switched from his fury warrior to his boomkin when ICC came out, geared him up with triumph and frost badge gear, started raiding with him instead of the warrior, and has collected a pretty decent set of gear. Nothing amazing, a few holes, but not bad. But his DPS is... not great. It's not terrible, but he's usually 10th or so dps in 25mans. He's a smart guy, I know he's probably pressing the right buttons at the right times, but he and I are at a lose concerning his DPS.
Are boomkin just gimped?
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KlineshrikeCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
edited March 2010
Last I heard boomkin are down there with Ele shamans as the bottom feeders, but thats mostly in top end situations. I know the Ele issue is scaleability, because my experiences as ele (which is basically right at the beginning of ICC10 type raiding) was that of extremely high dps.
Moonkin might suffer the whole way though. But I do know they are considered nearly last if not last.
Keep in mind I actually pretty much refuse to go balance, so I have been intentionally avoiding actual experience with this subject. What I've heard with moonkin is that they struggle on fights where a lot of movement is required, but that if they can manage to get a fight where they don't need to move that they should be fairly middle of the pack for dps. If he's having terrible luck with his eclipse procs, that could be affecting it as well. Since we're talking about ICC, my bet is that he's getting killed by the movement requirements but actually seeing what's going on would require more information I think. Any chance you've got logs for some fights?
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Staff of trickery (HVH) is a great stop gap till you can get a better one. Right now I'm using the essence of the gossamer and the 245 badge armor trinket. I tried for a while to get the black heart, but I never saw it and gave up.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I thought it was HoR.
HHoR: feet, chest, shoulder, polearm, neck (has parry), ring (str/stam/crit/expertise)
PoS: belt, legs, 2h mace (strength)
HPoS: wrist, legs, trinket (dodge)
FoS: shoulder, staff
HFoS: head
ToC: hands, legs, shoulder, waist (low stam), trinket
HToC: wrist, head, feet, polearm, neck (block), ring (parry)
Argent Crusade Exalted: feet
Champion's Seals: staff, feet (blue)
LWer: Durable Nerubhide Cape, wrist (crusader orbs), chest (crusader orbs), belt (runed orbs), feet (runed orbs), legs (primordial saronites), feet (primordial saronites), frost resist chest/waist/feet
JCer: Titanium Earthguard Ring, Titanium Earthguard Chain, frost resist ring
There's your shopping list, run the above instances every day keeping an eye out for the pieces you need. The JC ring/neck and LW cloak should probably be the first things you get crafted, and the runed orb and crusader orb pieces shouldn't be too difficult to acquire. If you can buy the primordials for the crafted boots you should do so, but don't spend badges on them. If you have a profession that can make a bop stam trinket (JC, Eng, Alch?) you should definitely do it. Remember the icc 5mans drop 219s, heroics 232s, toc5 drops 200s, heroic 219s. You'll usually want to go for higher item level gear because it has more armor and sockets and usually better stats, but sometimes a better itemized lower level item (ex: LW cloak) will be better for you.
The same goes for the the crusader-orb crafted chest: It has hit and armorpen. You need very little hit for heroics, so the set chest (crit and haste) is better, imo. At least it's not worth the cost to craft the higher level chest to just get one more socket.
Remember that the Ulduar crafted stuff (boots, belt) is much cheaper in 3.3.3, so I'd wait for those and just get the Polar (frost resistance+stamina) stuff for those slots.
I think I'm good on trinkets for the time being. I forgot I had both brewfest ones.
Also, HHOR is a festering pile of terrible.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Another topic: I think it's hilarious that my lol-trash-dps glyph choice for my Moonkin spec is becoming the best setup for raiding moonkin in 3.3.3. I have both Starfall glyphs (+ a supoptimal spec) and that let's me top the damage meters with still some blue gear and no enchants whatsoever. I can't even imagine what Starfall damage will be like in the next patch.
Are there any trinkets worth having that I can get through heroics? I have the Abyssal Rune and Darkmoon Card:Death currently and will try for the Nevermelting Ice Crystal (If I ever get a group without a caster that rolls on it). Anything else?
I'm glad I got it because it is a way better weapon for me than the harpoon, it just really sucks that it came right after I gemmed and enchanted the thing. It is pretty annoying that the best enchant for us comes from the last expansion making the mats fairly ridiculous to buy, and annoying to farm.
Anyway here is my druid, think I'm ready to take on ICC10? A pug didn't think so last night and then spent another 30 mins looking for a tank. The leader then whispers me and asks if I can heal it. Wtf?
You appear to be geared as intended for Lower Spire. PuG leaders are often paranoid and ignorant, though, so I'm not surprised they wanted someone who outgeared the content.
I guess I'll try and get the first 4 bosses in a guild alt group. I'll try and hit up ToC25 too while I'm at it.
Pisses me off that my DK was doing ToC5 with family and it dropped 4 times while my DK was in a group but waiting for a group for my Warrior to tank takes 15 to 30 minutes and that thing never drops.
edit: The family group thing isn't happening right now because our schedules aren't meshing very well.
I might get to try it this week, as we're able to rotate our Shadowmourne people through as OTs on the wing bosses and I'm able to DPS.
All three weapon enchants were very close to each other, though (within 13 dps of each other in my current gear). Close enough that I'm not sure you could tell the difference between them empirically.
Also, is that the heroic version of Sindragosa's neck? There's a better version off Sindragosa 25.
I think you're also overestimating how many badges normal people get per week in order to get 4t10 and all the other stuff.
So yeah. Never really played a druid much before now. The fool I was.
Blizzard should take some time to learn trinket balance.
Worth pushing for 4pc for both, or are the offset triumph items better? Any pieces that are must-have?
4T9 Cat is pretty meh. Don't bother with it as there are higher level and/or better pieces you can get in at least 3 of those slots.
I have zero ambition to get T10 untill I can get 4pce, and even then I really don't know. I'll let someone that does maths figure that out.
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Are boomkin just gimped?
Moonkin might suffer the whole way though. But I do know they are considered nearly last if not last.
But I thought they locked at 101. This wasn't part of the deal, Munkus.