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My parents just acquired two of the new talking 4GB iPod shuffles, the idea being it would be just in time for a car trip they would be taking. We didn't realize that they could not be controlled without the little remote on the included earbuds.
I mean this new setup is great for the most common use scenarios (work, exercise), but we also need to connect these to a car's 1/8" aux-in jack.
Does anyone else have one of these? I cannot seem to have any luck at all finding a cord with a remote in it to adapt one of these to just plain stereo out. My google-foo is completely failing me and I just get all kinds of results for other kinds of ipods and articles about the controversy (and we really need to find something like this retail anyway, since the car trip is in two days). Worst comes to worst, if I can get the electrical diagram I'll solder together my own cord with a switch in it, but goddamn this is a little surprising.
As of right now, there is no adapter to connect whatever headphones you want to the new shuffle, including aux jacks on cars. Also, that remote inside of the Apple headphones contains some chip that is required for its function that only Apple can give to licensed accessory manufacturers. This is basically what all of the controversy is about.
Your only hope is to scrap a pair of Apple earbuds and connect a male 3.5" audio jack on the other side of the controls.
Not so much a buyer beware here as a "do your research ahead of time"
It's shitty, and apple fucked up with this, but because of that it's been all over the internets that they fucked up. I wouldn't touch the new shuffle with a 12 foot pole.
Unless it just starts playing automatically when you plug in, I doubt it.
They do start playing immediately when turned on. I am more wondering about the jack's compatibility with a stereo plug instead of whatever it takes normally.
Probably would short it or something I suppose.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as the "not touching with a pole". They are really nice compared to my old 1st gen shuffle, apart from the non-normal headphone jack thing.
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Unless it just starts playing automatically when you plug in, I doubt it.
They do start playing immediately when turned on. I am more wondering about the jack's compatibility with a stereo plug instead of whatever it takes normally.
Probably would short it or something I suppose.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as the "not touching with a pole". They are really nice compared to my old 1st gen shuffle, apart from the non-normal headphone jack thing.
OK if it starts playing as soon as you turn it on then you might be ok. Try it out with a pair of normal headphones - I know most of the recent iPods pause automatically when you remove the headphone plug, so if nothing else you might have rudimentary play/pause controls.
Unless it just starts playing automatically when you plug in, I doubt it.
They do start playing immediately when turned on. I am more wondering about the jack's compatibility with a stereo plug instead of whatever it takes normally.
Probably would short it or something I suppose.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as the "not touching with a pole". They are really nice compared to my old 1st gen shuffle, apart from the non-normal headphone jack thing.
What it comes down it is that the 2nd gen shuffle is a better, more accessible product that is also $30 cheaper.
Actually what I'm saying is the VoiceOver thing is actually really good, as far as I can tell. I wish mine had that sometimes, since I collect a lot of random music and have a hard time identifying some songs when they come on and can never find them again.
I dunno, I think we are SOL on the money back due to getting engraving, so just have to make the best of it. Probably will only need to buy one adapter if they ever start coming out (fuck you Apple, for $80 you could have just included one, then this whole debate would be moot).
Hey fellas, read your discussion an thought hmmmm?
What if you were to purchase one of those Y splitter jacks and stck your own quality headphones/ext. lead or whatever in one female end and apples shite headphones in the other female end and plug the male end of the Y lead into the ipod, surely this shoud work as the signal from the in-line control should still operate the ipod and you can still hear your music on your quality headphones/car stereo etc... only thing is of course you have apples shite headphones dangling around, but I suppose you could just tape them up out the way (not the controls mind lol)... Y lead is just a couple of quid!
No, because the apple earbuds have a special plug with four wires.
Normal stereo headphones can, in fact, be plugged in, and you will hear music over them if you turn the iPod on, but you will not be able to pause, skip, etc.
Huh? No that doesn't matter at all. The end of the apple earbuds that plugs into the iPod has four wires to carry the play control signals, not the earbud end (that's just stereo).
If you have a bit of time, and a bit of soldering expertise, you could always cut off the headphones from the remote and splice in a 3.5mm jack. Apart from that, you're just gonna be stuck with plugging it in and hoping it's not too loud.
Honestly, Apple is trying to alienate loyal customers. Or perhaps people who aren't already loyal customers, considering that the loyal Apple fans are actually trying to defend this iPod
The infuriating thing about this is that people just buy the new shuffle thinking
"HUR HUR I JUST BUY THIS NEW SHINY THING WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING"
and then get pissed when it's not what they expected
No shit
The shuffle is an excercise in minimalist form, it's not for everyone. It's for those who want a zen like product.
And much like you thought a giant cube in front of the Apple store was an exercise in minimalism, moving the controls to the headphones is not, and a portable music player has nothing to do with zen.
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Just throwing this out there: these new shuffles are really nice to use with the controls on the phones. The biggest annoyance I have always had with my shuffle is trying to access the play controls when it's in my pocket or something.
All apple would have had to do is include a stereo adapter and voila - controversy over.
Just throwing this out there: these new shuffles are really nice to use with the controls on the phones. The biggest annoyance I have always had with my shuffle is trying to access the play controls when it's in my pocket or something.
All apple would have had to do is include a stereo adapter and voila - controversy over.
See. If we get enough anecdotes like these, we can call it research.
All apple would have had to do is include a stereo adapter and voila - controversy over.
That isn't apple's style. If you look at their product line they love to have lock ins. The fact that they go out of thier way to make it difficult for software besides iTunes to connecto to iPods is proof enough.
KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
edited May 2009
In retrospect, someone should have seen the no-controls Shuffle coming; the headphone controls aren't new, they introduced them quietly when the iPhone hit. And to be honest, I think they're a great idea and I'd love for them to become a standard thing on headphones and portable devices. The trouble with introducing something new when there's a long-established standard is the rocky transition patch, which Apple is going through even through they paved the way as well as they could working the controls into the iPhone and (i think) the new Macbooks.
The problem with in-line controls is that it prevents people from using headphones they like. Untill every single headphone ever is made with them... well that won't happen.
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Yeah, it's actually not hard at all. The easy stuff you pick up in like two seconds, and the more complicated stuff has a logic to it that you can figure out in an additional 10.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
edited May 2009
Yeah, it's minimalist from a hardware standpoint. It's actually pretty impressive that they manage to fit all that functionality (minus volume adjustments) into a single button.
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Your only hope is to scrap a pair of Apple earbuds and connect a male 3.5" audio jack on the other side of the controls.
I am curious as to whether I can plug in standard headphones and just go without play controls though.
Can you just return these for those?
If you can't return them, create some thermite, use it on them, and then buy the older shuffles to celebrate your successful exorcism.
It's shitty, and apple fucked up with this, but because of that it's been all over the internets that they fucked up. I wouldn't touch the new shuffle with a 12 foot pole.
They do start playing immediately when turned on. I am more wondering about the jack's compatibility with a stereo plug instead of whatever it takes normally.
Probably would short it or something I suppose.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as the "not touching with a pole". They are really nice compared to my old 1st gen shuffle, apart from the non-normal headphone jack thing.
OK if it starts playing as soon as you turn it on then you might be ok. Try it out with a pair of normal headphones - I know most of the recent iPods pause automatically when you remove the headphone plug, so if nothing else you might have rudimentary play/pause controls.
What it comes down it is that the 2nd gen shuffle is a better, more accessible product that is also $30 cheaper.
I dunno, I think we are SOL on the money back due to getting engraving, so just have to make the best of it. Probably will only need to buy one adapter if they ever start coming out (fuck you Apple, for $80 you could have just included one, then this whole debate would be moot).
What if you were to purchase one of those Y splitter jacks and stck your own quality headphones/ext. lead or whatever in one female end and apples shite headphones in the other female end and plug the male end of the Y lead into the ipod, surely this shoud work as the signal from the in-line control should still operate the ipod and you can still hear your music on your quality headphones/car stereo etc... only thing is of course you have apples shite headphones dangling around, but I suppose you could just tape them up out the way (not the controls mind lol)... Y lead is just a couple of quid!
So what do you think???? :?:
Normal stereo headphones can, in fact, be plugged in, and you will hear music over them if you turn the iPod on, but you will not be able to pause, skip, etc.
http://hackaday.com/2009/03/12/replacing-the-ipod-shuffles-headphones/
Isn't that pretty much what buyer beware means?
Huh? No that doesn't matter at all. The end of the apple earbuds that plugs into the iPod has four wires to carry the play control signals, not the earbud end (that's just stereo).
Honestly, Apple is trying to alienate loyal customers. Or perhaps people who aren't already loyal customers, considering that the loyal Apple fans are actually trying to defend this iPod
"HUR HUR I JUST BUY THIS NEW SHINY THING WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING"
and then get pissed when it's not what they expected
No shit
The shuffle is an excercise in minimalist form, it's not for everyone. It's for those who want a zen like product.
I thought that was in more direct competition with the Nano.
And much like you thought a giant cube in front of the Apple store was an exercise in minimalism, moving the controls to the headphones is not, and a portable music player has nothing to do with zen.
A screen, buttons, an intrusive company branding... These make things more complicated than they have to be.
All apple would have had to do is include a stereo adapter and voila - controversy over.
See. If we get enough anecdotes like these, we can call it research.
That isn't apple's style. If you look at their product line they love to have lock ins. The fact that they go out of thier way to make it difficult for software besides iTunes to connecto to iPods is proof enough.
Anyway, Scosche sells an adapter but it's pricey.
Some other companies might have cheaper solutions by now.
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