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[Rumour on]: New PSP without UMD drive to be announced this E3, coming this fall
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Just because Kojima wanted rumble back doesn't mean he was the reason they brought it back.
So you're saying that instead of releasing a new system which also benefits existing PSP owners, they should've given up on existing PSP owners entirely and brought out a new system?
This argument is pretty pointless at this stage anyway, all we have to go on are rumours and hearsay. I doubt it's even going to be called the 'PSP Go', that's just a PSP-3000 bundle SCEE have released.
Software sales are already really low, so I don't know what your point is. They can't get much worse at this point.
If anything, it'll probably encourage a lot more small downloadable games for the PSP, which is exactly what would work well on the PSP (more so than all the shitty console ports anyway). Games like PixelJunk Eden, Bionic Commando: Rearmed, Noby Noby Boy and Crash Commando would work really well on the PSP and they'd never get UMD releases in the first place.
You mean Monster Hunter 2G? It's not out in the US or Europe yet (if my memory serves me correctly, it's being renamed Monster Hunter Unite).
But yeah, the PSP has been doing pretty well in Japan but elsewhere, it's been doing dismally. The US hardware sales are decent but the software salres are dismal And in Europe, it's doing even worse.The reality is that it really needs a reboot and the UMD-less PSP may be it.
And since I've already got a PSP, I'm pretty glad they're doing it. Better that than my PSP continue to gather dust because the software releases were drying up (outside of Patapon 2 and Square Enix's games).
I expect it to be priced at 200. Maybe 179, but not cheaper than that. Any higher and it's suicide.
Though this is Sony we're talking about.
If it's a success then we will definitely know it: a complete turnaround for the PSP. And if it fails then it's merely one more in a string of mismanaged devices.
It will be MORE EXPENSIVE.
Reason = LARGER SCREEN(HIGHER RES) + TOUCH SCREEN.
It'd be neat if it had a touch screen but most of the rumours are saying it won't. I doubt it'll have a bigger screen either.
Like I said before, we'll have to wait until they announce it to properly speculate over how many changes they'll make. My guess though, is that the internal memory will be the main reason why it's a bit more expensive. It might have some extra RAM too (the PSP-2000 had more RAM than the original PSP) but that's dirt cheap anyway.
Honestly, I have no idea.
All that I know is that the team exists to figure this out.
So far Gamestop has acted as a middle man for DigiDistro for folks who don't have/want to use credit cards, letting them buy vouchers in-store with cash. The whole wanting to use cash thing is, of course, a side fo DigiDistro a lot of folk ignore.
Who is giving up on what? A PSP 2 could easily keep the UMD drive, but have more powerful hardware, or more features, which would, in turn, draw more popularity.
And HOW IN THE HELL does the PSP Go! benefit existing users? All it does is REMOVE features.
I'm an economist who has spent a great deal of time working one-on-one with video game consumers.
As an economist I recognize, off the bat, that there could be other unforeseen factors to invalidate my predictions. That's how economics goes (it is a lot like meteorology in that sense.)
It's not egotistical of me to apply myself to this problem and share my solutions.
Unless Digital Downloads = Cheaper Games.
Otherwise games will be more expensive since u can't buy used games.
The greater concern is the DRM protection they will be using.
Being a BIG RETAIL COMPANY, the easiest way for them to take over STEAM or IMPULSE.
What? You're suggesting that the PSP2 support the UMD? Sure, why not? I always wished the GC supported the N64 cartridges and I hope the XBox 720 supports HD-DVD.
More powerful hardware? On the last page you were insulting Sony for being arrogant and now you're suggesting they continue to? The DS and Wii have quite clearly shown that having the most powerful hardware doesn't matter and is only going to cost a crapload of money (and Sony aren't exactly in a position to lose money).
And I thought it's pretty obvious why a new PSP benefits existing users. Instead of the system dying off, it will continue to get new games. Even if they do only release games via digital distribution (which won't happen for a couple of years anyway), all existing PSP owners (including the ones with hacked systems) can connect them to the PSN and buy games off of it.
Btw, UMD isn't going anywhere for at least a couple of years, so Gamestop will just sell those games. They also sell the PSN cards don't they? And there'll always be the good old 'code in a case' (ala Patapon 2 and GTA4 DLC).
How about the Gameboy Advance supporting original gameboy games, or the DS supporting gameboy advance games?
We're talking about handhelds, not home consoles. With handhelds folks only carry around one unit, rather than being able to leave their old systems still hooked up to the TV.
You've also COMPLETELY ignored how the Wii plays GCN games, or how the 360 plays SOME OXbox games, or how SOME PS3s play PS2 games. Pretty selective memory on your part.
Offering consumers something that they can't get elsewhere isn't arrogant if they WANT it.
If Sony's goal is honestly still to outsell the DS, then they should just pack it in right now, they've got no chance.
The smart thing to do is to go for the portion of the market that the DS doesn't satisfy. In this case, that means adding a bit of power to the system, which was the PSP's distinction from the get-go.
Get over it Evander.
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Sillier things have happened. The N64 used carts mainly because the Nintendo high brass was still smarting/egotistical from the explosion of the CD SNES add-on partnership with Sony, and vowed not to use CDs no matter how useful they were.
And thus pushing PS3 to use B-D leading to it's success in the format war against HD-DVD.
Sony lost BETA but won with B-D by selling PS3 at a loss of cos.
A) Everyone knows what Betamax is. That's like linking to Wikipedia incase some one is unfamiliar with what an elephant is, in the middle of a conversation about animals.
B) No one removed the Beta slot for a Beta player, and then put it back out on the market. THAT would have been insane.
No a good comparison, as there's still going to be ways to play games on the new psp model, which is the system's intended purpose.
Personally I'm excited for the PSP Go, but that's hinging on a lot of things.
Presumably the PSP Go! will benefit consumers in some other way. Such as being smaller, having a larger screen, being cheaper. Really we have no idea yet since we have very few details. But yeah, I certainly wouldn't want to buy it if its just replace UMDs with internal storage. (Memory stick prices aren't that bad anymore)
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None of that is of benefit to EXISTING users.
And without much info to go on, we have to look at SOny's past behavior. In the past, with the PS3, their modus operandi has been to remove features without significant decreases in price, and then to simply add HDD space in lieu of a price cut.
As a gamer I know I'm going to have to keep my PSP 2000 for all my UMD games. Just like I'm going to have to keep my PS2 to play all my old Playstation library.
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As formats change (or methods of delivery,) the old formats die. (Beta:VHS|UMD:DD) You cite a short list of systems that are backwards compatible, but a fair comparison might be to compare the bulk of systems that have offered it vs those that have not.
Its only recently that we've become accustomed to backwards compatible technology in consoles (I'm of the opinion that the PS2 sort of set that standard), and as we've seen in consoles, its not always necessary, practical, or possible. For those that can't let go of the old technology, niche markets can be addressed independently (used markets, third party, etc.)
For PSP users with UMDs, their niche market will be the original PSP design, which we haven't seen any indication that the UMD capable PSPs are being discontinued with the release of the new. When that day comes, there are plenty of UMD capable PSPs to go around in the used market.
Sony has already established that they are comfortable with this by removing PS2 BC from the PS3, while the PS2 is still widely available in a package that is not the PS3.
In the end, Sony would be naive to think that UMD can be as profitable as download sales. They aren't looking backwards with this decision, but forwards. Download sales can reduce production and delivery costs, in addition to affecting the rampant piracy plaguing the system. If you want more developers and new games, then Sony needs to make this change.
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Yeah, I've never heard of a Gameboy either...
edit: seriously, though, the console market works differently from the handheld market. The fact that people don't carry around legacy handhelds in order to pay their old games is VERY different, because with a console, you can leave a legacy system hooked up to your tv without it making your pocket look bulgy.
Additionally, games are different from movies, so those formats aren't really a good parallel either. Games cost more (making folks less likely to replace them in a new format) and folks also tend to re-play games more often than they re-watch the same movies, so compatibility with old stuff matters more.
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By removing a feature. How Orwellian.
Look, I do get the crux of your argument, in that older features get left behind as new formats come out.
But... this isn't the PSP2. It's a new version of the PSP. The same format. With a feature removed.
If Sony really wanted to go this route, they should have started with a clean slate and just moved up to the PSP2. That way, no one would really miss the UMDs.
But with a UMD-less PSP, suddenly new PSP owners don't have access to most of the PSP's library. True, we could be pleasantly surprised and Sony will find a way to let us play with every single PSP game ever, but given that it's Sony it's at least equally likely they'll drag their feet or give up entirely on making older PSP games available. That's why people are annoyed.
And yes, the psps out there in the world will mean more game releases.
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But the fact remains that the new PSP may only be able to play a fraction of the PSP's library.
And Greeble, you know full well following the sales thread that PSPs have always sold well, yet the games dried up to a trickle a couple of years ago. The reason we're getting more game releases now is that Sony is suddenly doing a much better job of encouraging/paying companies to make games for the thing (which they should have started doing at least a year and a half ago).
I said the PS2 set that standard. I am quite aware of the BC offerings of the Nintendo handhelds, but I don't feel consumers came to expect it until the PS2's PS1 compatibility.
Coincidentally, the DS changed the Nintendo handheld BC around. It no longer supported GB and GBC games. *GASP* And now the new fangled DSi only plays DS games. *HEART ATTACK*
Last I heard, simply buying a new machine does not break your old machine.
And yes, you found a picture of a VHS/DVD player that served to fill a niche market. *clap*
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Then all your left with is crossing your fingers and praying people are ready for digital distributions as their main source of games.
Of course! That scenario wouldn't be too bad.
...but this is Sony we're talking about, who cheerfully removed BC from the PS3, insists on keeping that system's price high despite the fact that everyone and their dog are screaming at them to lower it, and offers only a tiny fraction of PSX games for download here that that have available over PSN in Japan for a loooong time.
There's reason to be skeptical.
Oh, so you look at reality, and perceive the exact opposite.
Interesting. Good to know.
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Honestly, I don't think it does.
The difference between the DSi and the rumored the PSP Go!, though, is that the DSi offered significant additional functionality in exchange for removing BC and a rarely used(outside fo BC) auxilary slot.
Removing BC without adding other features is consumer negative. If you make up for the removal with a ton of other features, then at worst, it is consumer neutral.
So if I got a PSP Go! I'd have to rebuy all of my games?
Also, you're forgetting the kind of storage space requirements we're dealign with. And when I want to play a game, swapping discs is much quicker than walking over to the computer, and having to wait while it writes files externally, or god forbid I'm stuck downloading and installing over WiFi.
I dunno, but nailbunny got a real bee in his bonnet about it.
I initially brought it up as an example of how sony tends to remove features without giving the consumer anything to make up for them.
If the DSi took out the GBA slot that's fine, because it's not a GBA, it's a DS, it's primary function is to play DS games.
If the "PSP Go!" was called the "Sony Handheld Gaming System" or "SHGS" for short, well fuck, I'm not expecting it to play PSP games, so if it doesn't, it's not really a big deal then now is it?
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