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Let's be honest here, how often is your computer *not* connected to the internet?
That's just not a scenario that occurs very frequently. I doubt this will be a major hassle, and it will probably get reversed, since they announced this was going to be true with Spore and Mass Effect as well and hey! that never materialized.
Moot point.
Thats like arguing " you shouldn't care about DRM if you buy it legally "
Point is, its another layer of the " We'll take your money but you're still a criminal in our eyes " bullshit, as well as another layer of bugs and another layer of headache for the end user.
altpost: MAY LUCIFER BRAND AN APOSTROPHE ON YOUR FOREHEAD IN HELL, OP
Fix't.
And I opened a new thread because the other thread is about RA3. I didn't want the discussion on the DRM, which was likely to jump a few pages, to crash the party of those discussing RA3 games or whatever they do there.
Let's be honest here, how often is your computer *not* connected to the internet?
That's just not a scenario that occurs very frequently. I doubt this will be a major hassle, and it will probably get reversed, since they announced this was going to be true with Spore and Mass Effect as well and hey! that never materialized.
Steam is already a bitch and a half to use on the road, why the fuck would I want something completely nonfunctional offline? I don't really give a rat's about MP, so I feel like I'm getting shafted here.
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KorKnown to detonate from time to timeRegistered Userregular
Let's be honest here, how often is your computer *not* connected to the internet?
That's just not a scenario that occurs very frequently. I doubt this will be a major hassle, and it will probably get reversed, since they announced this was going to be true with Spore and Mass Effect as well and hey! that never materialized.
Moot point.
Thats like arguing " you shouldn't care about DRM if you buy it legally "
Point is, its another layer of the " We'll take your money but you're still a criminal in our eyes " bullshit, as well as another layer of bugs and another layer of headache for the end user.
Which means, we can still not be criminals and then we will never have known the difference.
I could have not known this information, and beaten the game without ever finding out.
edit: My wife has played the majority of Spore, and I just now had to explain to her what a DRM is. Hell, I barely know what a DRM is. Do you know why? Because its something that has to be explained by people, because you'd never know otherwise.
Let's be honest here, how often is your computer *not* connected to the internet?
That's just not a scenario that occurs very frequently. I doubt this will be a major hassle, and it will probably get reversed, since they announced this was going to be true with Spore and Mass Effect as well and hey! that never materialized.
Moot point.
Thats like arguing " you shouldn't care about DRM if you buy it legally "
Point is, its another layer of the " We'll take your money but you're still a criminal in our eyes " bullshit, as well as another layer of bugs and another layer of headache for the end user.
I was going to make a sarcastic "But they don't trust their paying customeeeeeers" post because that's a dumb argument. I'm completely sure that they put DRM in games to make it difficult for paying customers.
Oh, they've had to put up with piracy costing them a lot of business and now they're taking actions to stop it UNF UGH WHY ARE YOU SO DUMB GAME COMPANIES? That line of thought just doesn't make sense.
It would probably severely affect me, though. The net in my condo can be really spotty sometimes, and I've definitely had to sigh and stop trying to play an MMO or something to switch to a SP game when my connection dropped. I don't think I'm an incredible rarity. I also know quite a few people who play games on their laptops when not connected while sitting in the airport or whatever. It reduces the value of the game as a time-killer, which is what I want from my SP experiences.
I normally support new DRM innovations to try to prevent piracy, but I'm just not a fan of this one.
Man, if only we lived in the year 2009 and had permanent broadband connections! Damn!
This might be a valid argument if internet connections never, ever went down.
Or you know, EA didn't have a habit of shutting down servers after a couple years. Hope you never get C&C4 nostalgia, because 10 years down the road, you won't be able to play it!
Let's be honest here, how often is your computer *not* connected to the internet?
That's just not a scenario that occurs very frequently. I doubt this will be a major hassle, and it will probably get reversed, since they announced this was going to be true with Spore and Mass Effect as well and hey! that never materialized.
Moot point.
Thats like arguing " you shouldn't care about DRM if you buy it legally "
Point is, its another layer of the " We'll take your money but you're still a criminal in our eyes " bullshit, as well as another layer of bugs and another layer of headache for the end user.
I was going to make a sarcastic "But they don't trust their paying customeeeeeers" post because that's a dumb argument. I'm completely sure that they put DRM in games to make it difficult for paying customers.
Oh, they've had to put up with piracy costing them a lot of business and now they're taking actions to stop it UNF UGH WHY ARE YOU SO DUMB GAME COMPANIES? That line of thought just doesn't make sense.
The piracy costing them business is a bullshit excuse. Its to put the kibosh on the second hand market.
If piracy costed companies the quadrillions of dollars and the billions of lost sales that they claimed it have, then the companies that release games with no DRM would have shut down long ago.
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It would probably severely affect me, though. The net in my condo can be really spotty sometimes, and I've definitely had to sigh and stop trying to play an MMO or something to switch to a SP game when my connection dropped. I don't think I'm an incredible rarity. I also know quite a few people who play games on their laptops when not connected while sitting in the airport or whatever. It reduces the value of the game as a time-killer, which is what I want from my SP experiences.
This probably shouldn't be brought up at this time anyway, because we don't know exactly how strict the connection test will be.
I mean, it shouldn't be causing you lag or anything like that. For all we know, it just sends a single packet every 5 minutes or so, which you wouldn't notice.
Or, it could be the total opposite, either way, not worth mentioning since we don't know the specifics.
The piracy costing them business is a bullshit excuse. Its to put the kaibash on the second hand market.
If piracy costed companies the quadrillions of dollars and the billions of lost sales that they claimed it have, then the companies that release games with no DRM would have shut down long ago.
I thought CD keys pretty much killed the resell value of games. There's no need for anything new there, because no savvy buyer would ever buy a game with a used key.
It would probably severely affect me, though. The net in my condo can be really spotty sometimes, and I've definitely had to sigh and stop trying to play an MMO or something to switch to a SP game when my connection dropped. I don't think I'm an incredible rarity. I also know quite a few people who play games on their laptops when not connected while sitting in the airport or whatever. It reduces the value of the game as a time-killer, which is what I want from my SP experiences.
This probably shouldn't be brought up at this time anyway, because we don't know exactly how strict the connection test will be.
I mean, it shouldn't be causing you lag or anything like that. For all we know, it just sends a single packet every 5 minutes or so, which you wouldn't notice.
Or, it could be the total opposite, either way, not worth mentioning since we don't know the specifics.
Well, when I cite beating Company of Heroes, it's actually from a time when the net was out for two weeks. I beat CoH and that Warhammer RTS and started playing Diablo again while trying to compensate for my lack of teh nets.
The piracy costing them business is a bullshit excuse. Its to put the kibosh on the second hand market.
If piracy costed companies the quadrillions of dollars and the billions of lost sales that they claimed it have, then the companies that release games with no DRM would have shut down long ago.
You're right. Piracy is such a non-issue with large, big name companies. Just look at all of these niche titles that sell well!
Actually, the more I think about it, I don't think it's a conspiracy.
The piracy costing them business is a bullshit excuse. Its to put the kibosh on the second hand market.
If piracy costed companies the quadrillions of dollars and the billions of lost sales that they claimed it have, then the companies that release games with no DRM would have shut down long ago.
You're right. Piracy is such a non-issue with large, big name companies. Just look at all of these niche titles that sell well!
Actually, the more I think about it, I don't think it's a conspiracy.
Because Bethesda is a niche company and Oblivion was a small nich game.
Let's be honest here, how often is your computer *not* connected to the internet?
That's just not a scenario that occurs very frequently. I doubt this will be a major hassle, and it will probably get reversed, since they announced this was going to be true with Spore and Mass Effect as well and hey! that never materialized.
While I hear you, it seems a little unfriendly to not even have a skirmish mode that can be played while you're on the go with a laptop.
The piracy costing them business is a bullshit excuse. Its to put the kibosh on the second hand market.
If piracy costed companies the quadrillions of dollars and the billions of lost sales that they claimed it have, then the companies that release games with no DRM would have shut down long ago.
You're right. Piracy is such a non-issue with large, big name companies. Just look at all of these niche titles that sell well!
Actually, the more I think about it, I don't think it's a conspiracy.
Because Bethesda is a niche company and Oblivion was a small nich game.
And nobody ever pirated that?
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I would like to wager that this game will ship with process blacklisting and silent, stripped back SecuROM in addition to the constant need for an internet connection. Regardless of what they said about DRM. It seems that everyone these days equates 'DRM' with 'Install limit', so I'm guessing they'll sneak in the other hiddeous portions without an install limit and call it 'DRM free'.
I would like to wager that this game will ship with process blacklisting and silent, stripped back SecuROM in addition to the constant need for an internet connection. Regardless of what they said about DRM. It seems that everyone these days equates 'DRM' with 'Install limit', so I'm guessing they'll sneak in the other hiddeous portions without an install limit and call it 'DRM free'.
And the people who always strip away DRM after release will promptly find it and gut it. Ok.
I bet this has been said, but I didn't read the whole thread,
Would it be wrong to buy the game and then pirate it for closed connection purposes? I wouldn't feel guilty regardless, but that seems like the only option.
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There truly are times when people are without internet, and they have to live without it for weeks or whatever cause of whatever stuff. It kind of sucks if there's a large storm and your internet is out and you realize you barely have anything to play except Space Pinball or Reversi if you're lucky
OFF TOPIC EDIT: If someone knows about free software of reversi that puts you up again CP's then that would be great.
Instead of being online at all times, they should have a system that unlocks certain areas of the game after it checks to validate you own a legit copy. So you beat level one through three and the client communicates with EA servers so you can go onto the fourth level. I know you wont be able to go on to the fourth level without being online, but that's better than not at all. Plus their experience system would still work and all that jazz. Just update whenever you get back online.
Seems reasonable to me. My PC has been constantly connected to the internet for the last 17 months. If it is fun to play I'll probably pick it up.
first they came for the people with unreliable internet connections
and i did not speak out, because my internet connection was tight as hiz-ell
then they came for the pirates
and i did not speak out, because pirates are nerds who deserve it
then they came for the homosexuals
and there was nobody who wanted to speak out for scarab
altpost: MAY LUCIFER BRAND AN APOSTROPHE ON YOUR FOREHEAD IN HELL, OP
See the great thing about this is that both my PC and my internet connection are top of the line. So even if one day by some magical method I am screwed over by these companies, I know that everyone else has been too.
The piracy costing them business is a bullshit excuse. Its to put the kibosh on the second hand market.
If piracy costed companies the quadrillions of dollars and the billions of lost sales that they claimed it have, then the companies that release games with no DRM would have shut down long ago.
You're right. Piracy is such a non-issue with large, big name companies. Just look at all of these niche titles that sell well!
Actually, the more I think about it, I don't think it's a conspiracy.
Because Bethesda is a niche company and Oblivion was a small nich game.
This is such a bs stupid idea, what about those of us who say go abroad or away from where there happens to be a nice broadband connection? I've done that pretty frequently, installed a bunch of games on my laptop and simply fired them up at the hotel or whatever. (not all hotels have a. internet access and b. free/cheap internet access)
Curiously C&C has usually been one of the games I've had installed on my laptop.
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
People like me, with shitty internet connections that go out so often that I can't even enjoy playing games on XBL anymore, are getting shafted by this idea.
I like the idea of an MMO-like game, but really offer an offline mode that doesn't allow you to gain exp or something. You know?
People like me, with shitty internet connections that go out so often that I can't even enjoy playing games on XBL anymore, are getting shafted by this idea.
I like the idea of an MMO-like game, but really offer an offline mode that doesn't allow you to gain exp or something. You know?
xbox handles this by storing achievements until the internet connection returns, and syncing you up then.
There's no reason other games could not duplicate this behavior.
People like me, with shitty internet connections that go out so often that I can't even enjoy playing games on XBL anymore, are getting shafted by this idea.
I like the idea of an MMO-like game, but really offer an offline mode that doesn't allow you to gain exp or something. You know?
xbox handles this by storing achievements until the internet connection returns, and syncing you up then.
There's no reason other games could not duplicate this behavior.
Except the entire reason xblive is able to do this is because of the incredibly locked-down hardware (to the point that you can't even install a non-MS hard drive without some amount of warranty-breaking effort), and even then people are able to create hacks; when you move to PC even WoW basically has to run a rootkit to try to detect client-side hacks (and even then can miss them)
I'm willing to give them a chance with this, with the caveat that it depends completely on how the experience system works - if it's actually a cool and interesting way to set up an RTS campaign (which I think it could be), then the value added makes it worth requiring the internet connection; if it's a gimmick to get around DRM, then it'll bomb and not get used again. Either way, there's no harm in giving it a shot for one game
People like me, with shitty internet connections that go out so often that I can't even enjoy playing games on XBL anymore, are getting shafted by this idea.
I like the idea of an MMO-like game, but really offer an offline mode that doesn't allow you to gain exp or something. You know?
xbox handles this by storing achievements until the internet connection returns, and syncing you up then.
There's no reason other games could not duplicate this behavior.
I meant MP games on XBL :P I can't even do co-op for RE5 with my buddy because I always lose connection.
first off, the new C&C4 doesn't sound appealing at all. I really liked C&C1 and Red Alert. I liked the demos for C&C3 and Red Alert 3, but never felt compelled to get them, didn't seem worth 50 bucks, probably 20 and under for both. With that said, this online all the time crap is just makes it worse in my opinion. They justify it due to their new system or whatever, fine, but who are they kidding, this stuff gets cracked very quickly. It almost seems like they put it in anyway since anyone who wants to play offline will just get the crack.
first off, the new C&C4 doesn't sound appealing at all. I really liked C&C1 and Red Alert. I liked the demos for C&C3 and Red Alert 3, but never felt compelled to get them, didn't seem worth 50 bucks, probably 20 and under for both. With that said, this online all the time crap is just makes it worse in my opinion. They justify it due to their new system or whatever, fine, but who are they kidding, this stuff gets cracked very quickly. It almost seems like they put it in anyway since anyone who wants to play offline will just get the crack.
I think we can safely say that this game isn't for you.
Only time will tell if this is going to be an issue or a non-issue for the people this game is for: the fanboys, the people who liked C&C but didn't buy in before and are digging the MMO-style progression, and people with solid internet connections.
EA and Blizzard are businesses and they don't care about the minorities who 'can't' play this game, they do care if their game bombs but I doubt the little segment of gamers who are taking a stand against this sort of masked DRM (or legitimate MMO system) will make that a reality.
People like me, with shitty internet connections that go out so often that I can't even enjoy playing games on XBL anymore, are getting shafted by this idea.
I like the idea of an MMO-like game, but really offer an offline mode that doesn't allow you to gain exp or something. You know?
xbox handles this by storing achievements until the internet connection returns, and syncing you up then.
There's no reason other games could not duplicate this behavior.
I meant MP games on XBL :P I can't even do co-op for RE5 with my buddy because I always lose connection.
I was saying they could offer the "MMO-like" feaetures by tallying up your score when the connection is dead.. and when it's available, sync up to the online server.
If they spent half as much effort trying to create an encrypted file as they do trying out DRM systems, they could probably even be doing it today and not have to worry about significant numbers of people cheating.. write up some sanity checks on the server and you could probably catch the cheaters too.
first off, the new C&C4 doesn't sound appealing at all. I really liked C&C1 and Red Alert. I liked the demos for C&C3 and Red Alert 3, but never felt compelled to get them, didn't seem worth 50 bucks, probably 20 and under for both. With that said, this online all the time crap is just makes it worse in my opinion. They justify it due to their new system or whatever, fine, but who are they kidding, this stuff gets cracked very quickly. It almost seems like they put it in anyway since anyone who wants to play offline will just get the crack.
I think we can safely say that this game isn't for you.
Only time will tell if this is going to be an issue or a non-issue for the people this game is for: the fanboys, the people who liked C&C but didn't buy in before and are digging the MMO-style progression, and people with solid internet connections.
EA and Blizzard are businesses and they don't care about the minorities who 'can't' play this game, they do care if their game bombs but I doubt the little segment of gamers who are taking a stand against this sort of masked DRM (or legitimate MMO system) will make that a reality.
Ah okay. So we're not allowed to be upset about this because they're a business, and only exist to make money?
first off, the new C&C4 doesn't sound appealing at all. I really liked C&C1 and Red Alert. I liked the demos for C&C3 and Red Alert 3, but never felt compelled to get them, didn't seem worth 50 bucks, probably 20 and under for both. With that said, this online all the time crap is just makes it worse in my opinion. They justify it due to their new system or whatever, fine, but who are they kidding, this stuff gets cracked very quickly. It almost seems like they put it in anyway since anyone who wants to play offline will just get the crack.
I think we can safely say that this game isn't for you.
Only time will tell if this is going to be an issue or a non-issue for the people this game is for: the fanboys, the people who liked C&C but didn't buy in before and are digging the MMO-style progression, and people with solid internet connections.
EA and Blizzard are businesses and they don't care about the minorities who 'can't' play this game, they do care if their game bombs but I doubt the little segment of gamers who are taking a stand against this sort of masked DRM (or legitimate MMO system) will make that a reality.
Ah okay. So we're not allowed to be upset about this because they're a business, and only exist to make money?
You can be as upset as you want. I don't think it's going to matter to them is all I was trying to get across.
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first they came for the people with unreliable internet connections
and i did not speak out, because my internet connection was tight as hiz-ell
then they came for the pirates
and i did not speak out, because pirates are nerds who deserve it
then they came for the homosexuals
and there was nobody who wanted to speak out for scarab
I really liked the single player in the rebooted games, anyway. I'm looking forward to C&C4.
Moot point.
Thats like arguing " you shouldn't care about DRM if you buy it legally "
Point is, its another layer of the " We'll take your money but you're still a criminal in our eyes " bullshit, as well as another layer of bugs and another layer of headache for the end user.
Fix't.
And I opened a new thread because the other thread is about RA3. I didn't want the discussion on the DRM, which was likely to jump a few pages, to crash the party of those discussing RA3 games or whatever they do there.
Steam is already a bitch and a half to use on the road, why the fuck would I want something completely nonfunctional offline? I don't really give a rat's about MP, so I feel like I'm getting shafted here.
Which means, we can still not be criminals and then we will never have known the difference.
I could have not known this information, and beaten the game without ever finding out.
edit: My wife has played the majority of Spore, and I just now had to explain to her what a DRM is. Hell, I barely know what a DRM is. Do you know why? Because its something that has to be explained by people, because you'd never know otherwise.
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Oh, they've had to put up with piracy costing them a lot of business and now they're taking actions to stop it UNF UGH WHY ARE YOU SO DUMB GAME COMPANIES? That line of thought just doesn't make sense.
I normally support new DRM innovations to try to prevent piracy, but I'm just not a fan of this one.
Or you know, EA didn't have a habit of shutting down servers after a couple years. Hope you never get C&C4 nostalgia, because 10 years down the road, you won't be able to play it!
The piracy costing them business is a bullshit excuse. Its to put the kibosh on the second hand market.
If piracy costed companies the quadrillions of dollars and the billions of lost sales that they claimed it have, then the companies that release games with no DRM would have shut down long ago.
This probably shouldn't be brought up at this time anyway, because we don't know exactly how strict the connection test will be.
I mean, it shouldn't be causing you lag or anything like that. For all we know, it just sends a single packet every 5 minutes or so, which you wouldn't notice.
Or, it could be the total opposite, either way, not worth mentioning since we don't know the specifics.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
I thought CD keys pretty much killed the resell value of games. There's no need for anything new there, because no savvy buyer would ever buy a game with a used key.
Well, when I cite beating Company of Heroes, it's actually from a time when the net was out for two weeks. I beat CoH and that Warhammer RTS and started playing Diablo again while trying to compensate for my lack of teh nets.
Actually, the more I think about it, I don't think it's a conspiracy.
Because Bethesda is a niche company and Oblivion was a small nich game.
While I hear you, it seems a little unfriendly to not even have a skirmish mode that can be played while you're on the go with a laptop.
And the people who always strip away DRM after release will promptly find it and gut it. Ok.
*is connected to steam at all times during the day*
And we really fuckin' love that there offline mode!
you've been off line? What's it like?
Would it be wrong to buy the game and then pirate it for closed connection purposes? I wouldn't feel guilty regardless, but that seems like the only option.
EDIT:
There truly are times when people are without internet, and they have to live without it for weeks or whatever cause of whatever stuff. It kind of sucks if there's a large storm and your internet is out and you realize you barely have anything to play except Space Pinball or Reversi if you're lucky
OFF TOPIC EDIT: If someone knows about free software of reversi that puts you up again CP's then that would be great.
See the great thing about this is that both my PC and my internet connection are top of the line. So even if one day by some magical method I am screwed over by these companies, I know that everyone else has been too.
Oblivion has a disk check.
Curiously C&C has usually been one of the games I've had installed on my laptop.
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I've got a spare copy of Portal, if anyone wants it message me.
I like the idea of an MMO-like game, but really offer an offline mode that doesn't allow you to gain exp or something. You know?
xbox handles this by storing achievements until the internet connection returns, and syncing you up then.
There's no reason other games could not duplicate this behavior.
Except the entire reason xblive is able to do this is because of the incredibly locked-down hardware (to the point that you can't even install a non-MS hard drive without some amount of warranty-breaking effort), and even then people are able to create hacks; when you move to PC even WoW basically has to run a rootkit to try to detect client-side hacks (and even then can miss them)
I'm willing to give them a chance with this, with the caveat that it depends completely on how the experience system works - if it's actually a cool and interesting way to set up an RTS campaign (which I think it could be), then the value added makes it worth requiring the internet connection; if it's a gimmick to get around DRM, then it'll bomb and not get used again. Either way, there's no harm in giving it a shot for one game
I meant MP games on XBL :P I can't even do co-op for RE5 with my buddy because I always lose connection.
I think we can safely say that this game isn't for you.
Only time will tell if this is going to be an issue or a non-issue for the people this game is for: the fanboys, the people who liked C&C but didn't buy in before and are digging the MMO-style progression, and people with solid internet connections.
EA and Blizzard are businesses and they don't care about the minorities who 'can't' play this game, they do care if their game bombs but I doubt the little segment of gamers who are taking a stand against this sort of masked DRM (or legitimate MMO system) will make that a reality.
I was saying they could offer the "MMO-like" feaetures by tallying up your score when the connection is dead.. and when it's available, sync up to the online server.
If they spent half as much effort trying to create an encrypted file as they do trying out DRM systems, they could probably even be doing it today and not have to worry about significant numbers of people cheating.. write up some sanity checks on the server and you could probably catch the cheaters too.
Ah okay. So we're not allowed to be upset about this because they're a business, and only exist to make money?
You can be as upset as you want. I don't think it's going to matter to them is all I was trying to get across.