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Pre-Fight Debate: Bracket 13
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Match A:
Lady Shiva
Powers: Literate in body language to the point she often knows what an opponent will do before they do it, master martial artist
Equipment: 15 throwing knives, katana, semi-automatic pistol
VS.
Green Goblin
Powers: Genius-level intellect, Goblin-themed weapons and paraphernalia, Superhuman strength, stamina and endurance, regenerative healing factor
Equipment: Spear-tipped Glider, 12 Pumpkin Bombs
Environment: Attilan
Match B:
Mastermind
Powers: Psionic illusions
Vs.
Gentleman Ghost
Powers: Spectral ability to turn invisible and incorporeal.
Renders any body part who touches him deathly cold.
Adequate marksman with antique flintlock pistols.
Equipment: two antique flintlock pistols.
Environment: The Dreaming, Morpheus' realm.
Lady Shiva
Powers: Literate in body language to the point she often knows what an opponent will do before they do it, master martial artist
Equipment: 15 throwing knives, katana, semi-automatic pistol
VS.
Green Goblin
Powers: Genius-level intellect, Goblin-themed weapons and paraphernalia, Superhuman strength, stamina and endurance, regenerative healing factor
Equipment: Spear-tipped Glider, 12 Pumpkin Bombs
Environment: Attilan
Match B:
Mastermind
Powers: Psionic illusions
Vs.
Gentleman Ghost
Powers: Spectral ability to turn invisible and incorporeal.
Renders any body part who touches him deathly cold.
Adequate marksman with antique flintlock pistols.
Equipment: two antique flintlock pistols.
Environment: The Dreaming, Morpheus' realm.
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Anyway, if he's supernatural, I don't see Mastermind's powers working on him.
Attilan is the Inhuman's realm, currently on the "Blue Area" of the moon that has oxygen
The Dreaming is Morpheus' domain, from Gaiman's Sandman. Basically, it's very fucked up.
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For one thing, it'll be hard to distinguish the ghost from the rest of the fucked upped-ness of the place. Also, it'll be hard to tell where The Dreaming ends and Mastermind's illusions begin
The problem with Gentleman Ghost is how you hurt him? I mean, he's a ghost. Can you physically hurt him?
But physical fights are not Masterminds deal anyway, so my guess would be that he would just use his illusions to drive Mr. Ghost crazy.
Look, Shiva can give Batman a run for his money. Batman could take Spider-Man out. Spidey has beaten Gobby (albeit barely sometimes) several times. Therefore, Shiva will beat Gobby. I mean, this is the sort of shit she's trained for
Yeah, pretty much. I think if Mastermind can render an oponent completely impotent and striking helplessely at figments then that's a "win".
And even if he could, what could he possibly do to a dead guy?
How strong are Mastermind's illussions anyway, I'm not fimiliar with the character.
Gentleman Ghost needs to win this. He's so badass.
See, I dunno. Mastermind can only project illusions INTO the heads of people. You know, normal humans and mutants with squishy living brains.
The Dreaming MIGHT let him do more, but I'm not really sure. It depends on where they are, I guess. I don't think The Dreaming is just a place where you can mold reality to your whim (unless you're Morpheus) although I guess I can see someone saying that somehow Mastermind might. Personally, I vote for meh.
The Dreaming is molded to Dream's whims. I think if other people started fucking around, we would see an Endless come down hard
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Also, how do you hurt a ghost?
This is the big question, how does he get beat in the comics?
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I can't add anything to the other fight. Mastermind needs minds I don't think ghosts count as haveing those
Mastermind is pretty fucking strong. He's the guy that..I don't think I need spoilers but just in case (it's x-men spoiler):
[spoiler:64dd63fb80]makes the phoenix (Jean Grey) go insane and turn into the dark phoenix. Basically he tricks the most powerful being in the universe into being the most evil thing ever. Besides that I don't know what all he's done. Isn't he the guy who's been fucking up the Astonishing X-men?[/spoiler:64dd63fb80]
Well Gentleman Ghost must have some sort of consciousness and thought process of some sort. Mastermind works on a person's mind, not just on the physical brain as far as I know.
Gentleman Ghost has a mind, just not a brain in the normal terms.
Meanwhile the enviroment fucks with them both, but Ghost is probably much more mentally prepared for this type of thing, being dead and all.
I'm pretty sure that was retconned far enough back for it not to count.
[spoiler:b801931501] Uh... no, Mastermind has'nt been in AXM at all.. all the funky mind control has been courtesy of Cassandra Nova.[/spoiler:b801931501]
Wikipedia never lies!
[spoiler:9e5b7a3f37]After being restored to adulthood, Mastermind became involved with the Hellfire Club during the famous "Dark Phoenix Saga," in which he was largely responsible for turning Phoenix into Dark Phoenix. He did this through the use of his own powers and a mindtap mechanism created by Emma Frost, which he used to project his illusion directly into her mind, causing her to believe she was re-living the life of one of her ancestors. Through this mental seduction, he eventually turned her against the X-Men...[/spoiler:9e5b7a3f37]
But she/it had taken the form of a biological woman, and Gentleman Ghost is fucking dead.
Also, I don't think we really need to spoiler the Dark Phoenix Saga.
So Mastermind's chances of seducing him are about nil.
Thank you for introducing some awfully awkward mental images into my head.
I think we would all love to watch him try though
Sorry, didn't want to step on any toes.
Also, I'm not saying Mastermind could win this, someone just asked what he could do.
Gentleman Ghost's wiki says that he was defeated by a decendant of the Royal House of England and a virgin. I'm assuming Mastermind is neither of these, so he'll probably lose.
He may still be a virgin, dude's an ugly mofo.
You mean thats the only way to beat him? ::checks wiki:: How was he let in?
That's what happaned in that most recent JSA arc, but he was a Hawkman rogue before that, so how did beakface beat him?
One thing that's notable is that ability to turn himself invisible and incorporeal. Maybe when he's not incorporeal he can be hurt/ affected by the illusions?
I dunno, i'm stretching here.
Where the hell's Keith or karma? They read DC