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Those tiny laptops

StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
edited July 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
You know those tiny tiny laptops?

Well I want one, basically I'm disabled at taking notes in class, I'm jealous of everyone's laptops, I have the money, I want one of those wittle ones cause I don't really see the need for anything lager than 10" I just need something to take notes on and study from, I'm sick of paper and taking notes on my iPod Touch is tedious.

Concern 1:

My main computer is a 24" iMac, and I hear most of these things run on Windows. So am I going to have compatibility issues when transfering files? I mean, if i decide to work on an essay at school and I want to finish it at home, is that going to turn out to be a total pain in my ass?

Concern 2:

Availability. As I live in Canada, certain things like the Asus EEEpc (which I think is just the bees knees) are harder to come by, at least in a walk-into-the-store setting.

Concern 3:

Apple. Is there any news on Apple coming out with their own version of a Netbook (which I hear is the term for these little things)? If there is, is it in my best interest to just wait on those?

Anyways, I'm sure I've left a few questions open so feel free to ask them.

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    blanknogoblanknogo Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    You know those tiny tiny laptops?

    Well I want one, basically I'm disabled at taking notes in class, I'm jealous of everyone's laptops, I have the money, I want one of those wittle ones cause I don't really see the need for anything lager than 10" I just need something to take notes on and study from, I'm sick of paper and taking notes on my iPod Touch is tedious.

    Concern 1:

    My main computer is a 24" iMac, and I hear most of these things run on Windows. So am I going to have compatibility issues when transfering files? I mean, if i decide to work on an essay at school and I want to finish it at home, is that going to turn out to be a total pain in my ass?

    Concern 2:

    Availability. As I live in Canada, certain things like the Asus EEEpc (which I think is just the bees knees) are harder to come by, at least in a walk-into-the-store setting.

    Concern 3:

    Apple. Is there any news on Apple coming out with their own version of a Netbook (which I hear is the term for these little things)? If there is, is it in my best interest to just wait on those?

    Anyways, I'm sure I've left a few questions open so feel free to ask them.

    HELP ME PA, YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE

    Concern 1: Most Mac/PC file types are the same and you shouldn't have any issues. The common ones like JPEG (pictures), movie files, MP3s, Word, Excel, and Powerpoint files are the same.

    Concern 2: FutureShop, BestBuy, and Staples all have pretty decent selections. You can also look a Tiger Direct, NewEgg Canada, NCIX, MemoryExpress (in particular if you live in Winnipeg, Calgary, or Edmonton).

    Concern 3: Nobody knows.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    There is a netbook/Eee thread with a ton of stuff in Moe's Tech forum.
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=93500
    Asus also just came out with something that surpasses the 1000HE and I can't remember its name. Whatever it is, get that one.

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    StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    There is a netbook/Eee thread with a ton of stuff in it in this very forum.
    Asus also just came out with something that surpasses the 1000HE and I can't remember its name. Whatever it is, get that one.

    I actually just found an Ottawa store that carries most Asus products, so I think I might head there.

    Cept it's like $100 more, but I guess that's fine.

    tblanknogo Thanks for the quick advice, so basically I shouldn't worry about plugging anything into my Mac for file transfers and stuff like that?

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    There are people who put Mac OSs on netbooks.
    I would also buy the thing online, sure thing to be cheaper and a greater stock.

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    TopweaselTopweasel Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Staleghoti wrote: »

    tblanknogo Thanks for the quick advice, so basically I shouldn't worry about plugging anything into my Mac for file transfers and stuff like that?

    As long as you have a compatible program on the PC. For example you can get Office for the MAC and PC and therefore be set with .doc and .docx stuff. You can also download openoffice.org for more compatibility between office documents. For music if your listing to AAC file or such you need Itunes on both. The list goes on, there is almost always a program on either platform that can access or use files generated on the other platform, a lot, but not all can even be the same program.

    As a side comment there is a touch based tablet that Asus just released that is going to kick butt with Windows 7 installed. Its Like T-91 or something along that line. Also make sure if your going to keep alot of stuff on it get one with a normal HDD. I would also look into what it takes to purchase or upgrade one to have 2GB of memory. Keep in mind that a big reason these guys are so small and cheap come from the fact that they don't have CD drives and the processors are very enemic. Don't run more then one or two programs at the same time. Though thread locks shouldn't happen that much with an Atom as it is hyperthreaded.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I don't know if I would call them enemic, it of course it depends on what programs you are trying to run. You make it sound like as if they are just big cell phones.

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    TopweaselTopweasel Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I don't know if I would call them enemic, it of course it depends on what programs you are trying to run. You make it sound like as if they are just big cell phones.

    Have you seen how it works, It really is a low voltage overclocked Pentium MMX with hyper threading.

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    dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Topweasel wrote: »
    I don't know if I would call them enemic, it of course it depends on what programs you are trying to run. You make it sound like as if they are just big cell phones.

    Have you seen how it works, It really is a low voltage overclocked Pentium MMX with hyper threading.

    on paper maybe
    but realistically unless you want to play games or manipulate multimedia, the netbook is enough for your everyday tasks
    These days I find myself using my Acer AspireOne D150 with a 1.6ghz intel atom more than my desktop due to its convenience and portability. Yes, when I game I game on the desktop and all that, but everything from daily email, to websurfing, to even writing papers I do on the netbook. The smaller keyboard took a little getting used to but I can type just as fast on it now and the fact that I can do it literally anywhere makes it my preferred computing platform now. And running programs is fine for me on this. Right now I'm running Windows7 Rc1 (i can dual boot osx as well) with 6 ie8 tabs open, an xvid movie playing in the background on wmp, skype, aim and msn messenger are open, as well as ms word and excel without any sort of slowdown. You can run more than one program on it if you need to. (though I did upgrade to 2 gigs of ram)

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    There are people who put Mac OSs on netbooks.
    I would also buy the thing online, sure thing to be cheaper and a greater stock.

    Check out wired.com, they've got a few articles/how-to guides on turning certain netbooks into "Hackintoshes."

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    TopweaselTopweasel Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    If I am making them sound like the slowest thing in the world then I apologize that is not what they are. But they are not snappy machines. This isn't a desktop processor where a core single or an Athlon 64 should be fast enough for everyone not doing intensive jobs. You only know whether its fast enough for you till you use it. For an extra 200 or so you can get a decent non-gaming laptop with a real CPU. The size and battery longevity should be the main reason for getting one not its CPU performance.

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    Bryse EayoBryse Eayo Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Hey if you're in Ottawa, RB Computing are your friends. Just walk in and ask someone and they'll help you out.

    Their website is www.shopRB.com

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    StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Rogers disagrees with that link

    I guess you meant www.shoprbc.com

    There's a PCcyber right by me that I think I'm gonna use

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Topweasel wrote: »
    If I am making them sound like the slowest thing in the world then I apologize that is not what they are. But they are not snappy machines. This isn't a desktop processor where a core single or an Athlon 64 should be fast enough for everyone not doing intensive jobs. You only know whether its fast enough for you till you use it. For an extra 200 or so you can get a decent non-gaming laptop with a real CPU. The size and battery longevity should be the main reason for getting one not its CPU performance.
    No one ever said that they were fast.

    They are designed to do a job, which is text based items and video viewing.

    They do both fine.

    You were the one that raised the issue of them being slow pos.

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    DusT_HounDDusT_HounD Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    @Topweasel:
    Also, OP said that he/she wanted to use it for taking notes on and study from, so his/her requirements in this case are less stringent than yours.

    @Staleghoti:
    FWIW, i have an EEE901, which works perfectly for me- i use the web etc., run quintessential player, microsoft word/ powerpoint at the same time, without problems, and that's the entirety of my needs, so it sounds like it might suit you.

    Battery life is great; i used it at a conference last year to take notes on, and it lasted about 6.5hours each day. The powerbrick is pretty small anyway, so you might even consider taking it around with you.

    If you have MS office on your home mac, and then have it on your netbook, then there won't be many compatibility problems, although maybe minor ones- i speak from past experience having done a similar thing, except where i had an XP box at home, and an ibook.

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    ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    eeePCs run Windows with some heavy modification, but they don't do it WELL, and it wears them down quickly. We went through two of them in a year trying to run Windows on them. They actually come with a UI and Open Office, so you should be able to use them as is.

    I have this little tiny Samsung, and I swear it can do everything. It's very slightly larger, but much nicer with better specs. I would recommend going that route and trying to find something a similar size but maybe a bit more powerful and lasting than the eee if you really need Windows or Mac OS.

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    TopweaselTopweasel Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Blaket wrote: »
    Topweasel wrote: »
    If I am making them sound like the slowest thing in the world then I apologize that is not what they are. But they are not snappy machines. This isn't a desktop processor where a core single or an Athlon 64 should be fast enough for everyone not doing intensive jobs. You only know whether its fast enough for you till you use it. For an extra 200 or so you can get a decent non-gaming laptop with a real CPU. The size and battery longevity should be the main reason for getting one not its CPU performance.
    No one ever said that they were fast.

    They are designed to do a job, which is text based items and video viewing.

    They do both fine.

    You were the one that raised the issue of them being slow pos.

    All I said was to limit multitasking because the CPU's were in my words Anemic. It is and he shouldn't. Outside that for single use it should be adequate. I don't think I ever said otherwise.

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    DusT_HounDDusT_HounD Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    @ceres:
    whoa- that's unlucky!

    I got my EEE901 almost a year ago, with XP on it, and it's been running flawlessly ever since- hope it doesn't go up the spout! Oh well- until then, i guess i'll carry on as normal!

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Topweasel wrote: »
    You can also download openoffice.org for more compatibility between office documents.

    I've found OO to be a good (FREE!!) alternative to Office, and might be a good choice on a netbook. Unless they're using some crazy template, shouldn't be any problems sharing files at school.

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Are you sure your classes will let you take notes on a laptop/netbook?

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    ceres wrote: »
    eeePCs run Windows with some heavy modification, but they don't do it WELL, and it wears them down quickly. We went through two of them in a year trying to run Windows on them. They actually come with a UI and Open Office, so you should be able to use them as is.

    I have this little tiny Samsung, and I swear it can do everything. It's very slightly larger, but much nicer with better specs. I would recommend going that route and trying to find something a similar size but maybe a bit more powerful and lasting than the eee if you really need Windows or Mac OS.

    o_O

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    Count FunkulaCount Funkula Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Apple's "netbook" is the MacBook Air. It starts at $1499.

    http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

    Much higher performance than the others, but you pay for it.

    If you just want to take notes and surf the web, a cheap netbook will be fine.

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    RecklessReckless Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Apple's "netbook" is the MacBook Air. It starts at $1499.

    That's not really accurate. The Air isn't meant to compete with Netbooks, hence that $1499 price tag. There are rumors abound that Apple has its own Netbook in the works, but they are thus far somewhat unsubstantiated.

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    This right here is what I am using currently. And by that I mean right now. As I type this.

    I got the pink one and it is awesome. I added an extra gig of RAM and this guy is ridiculously powerful for being so tiny. I had to mess around with some of the loaded features but now it even has one-button overclocking which is rad, and when unplugged the same button puts it into a power save mode with a lower-clocked processor speed and monitor dimming.

    Some things- Open Office is amazing and free. The only thing I hate about it is the Powerpoint module they have. Very un-intuitive and some things it just doesn't do. Otherwise I have had no trouble moving files from word on my PC to this in open office then from there into my fiancee's Macbook.

    I don't know if I would get this again, given the option, but my qualms are more make and model. Mine, for instance, has a very touchy caps lock key which makes entering passwords sometimes annoying. but for portability and note-taking/paper writing I love this guy. Also- the power cord is really bulky....the block is almost as big as the computer! (Exaggeration, but it IS huge)

    Also- the keyboard is TINY but I like it alot as I have tiny tiny hands.

    This computer really made a difference in my eductation, IMO. I saw my gpa go up by two points (no mean feat!) between semesters with this guy helping me write papers and take notes. Especially as a science major- took this to labs and entered data we recorded right into excel as we recorded it (after putting it in my notebook of course!:lol:). Groupmates loved insta-graphs generated as we did the lab and I loved not having to worry about the results section when I had to write lab reports.


    all in all- this thing is amazing and weighs about 2 pounds so I hardly even notice it. I don't think I've left the house with it since I got it. Man-purse fits this and cord pretty easily, and if I don't have an outlet battery life is really good if I don't push it.

    I have even gotten a few games to run on it- ragnarok online (hah!) and diablo II. (Had to transfer both from the home computer via networking as there is no cd drive).

    This thing is amazing, simply put.

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    EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    ceres wrote: »
    eeePCs run Windows with some heavy modification, but they don't do it WELL, and it wears them down quickly. We went through two of them in a year trying to run Windows on them. They actually come with a UI and Open Office, so you should be able to use them as is.

    I have this little tiny Samsung, and I swear it can do everything. It's very slightly larger, but much nicer with better specs. I would recommend going that route and trying to find something a similar size but maybe a bit more powerful and lasting than the eee if you really need Windows or Mac OS.

    I have no idea what this person is talking about. Please ignore them. All I can guess is that they're some sort of Samsung shill.

    I have the EEE PC 1005HA and it's AMAZING. There are all sorts of combo deals on Zipzoomfly.com. I don't know if they ship to Canada though...

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    StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Update!

    I went to PCCyber and bought a EEEPC 1005

    And the reasons why I love windows flooded back to me, kind of like that scene in The Shining when the elevator doors open up.

    Basically it's been crashtacular and I think I might exchange it for another one, that or it's not made to be used while plugged in, does that make any sense at all? Because when I type it I feel like a crazy person.

    Situation

    I opened it up, it awoke, I tracked the cursor around the screen, it froze. I had to do a hard restart, which subsequently caused multiple little restarts.

    Now I've got it unplugged and it's remained active, I also uninstalled anything that said Windows Live on it.

    I think it's the battery.

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    ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Return it for a new one, that should clearly not be happening.
    Also consider installing Linux, cause Linux is super fun. Well, or Windows 7 if you want to stay Windows.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Reckless wrote: »
    Apple's "netbook" is the MacBook Air. It starts at $1499.

    That's not really accurate. The Air isn't meant to compete with Netbooks, hence that $1499 price tag. There are rumors abound that Apple has its own Netbook in the works, but they are thus far somewhat unsubstantiated.

    Yeah, the Air is in the "ultraportable" market, aimed at business users with moneyhats. They're normal-sized and nearly-normal-powered notebooks but extremely thin/light. Another example is the Dell Adamo line.

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    TopweaselTopweasel Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Staleghoti wrote: »
    Update!

    I went to PCCyber and bought a EEEPC 1005

    And the reasons why I love windows flooded back to me, kind of like that scene in The Shining when the elevator doors open up.

    Basically it's been crashtacular and I think I might exchange it for another one, that or it's not made to be used while plugged in, does that make any sense at all? Because when I type it I feel like a crazy person.

    Situation

    I opened it up, it awoke, I tracked the cursor around the screen, it froze. I had to do a hard restart, which subsequently caused multiple little restarts.

    Now I've got it unplugged and it's remained active, I also uninstalled anything that said Windows Live on it.

    I think it's the battery.

    Those things can get a bit hot. It Charging or rapid discharge during use could be causing the battery to heat up and cause the restarts. I would exchange that in a hurry.

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    ink4n3ink4n3 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I got a Acer AspireOne back in October and love it. I went with the Solid State Harddrive and just put Ubuntu on it. It is a little sluggish sometimes with only 1 gig of ram but for surfing the web and checking email while I'm sitting on the couch it's awesome! I find it extremely handy to just leave in the living room or throw it in my bag and carry it around. I will get another one should this one ever bite the dust.

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    mystikspyralmystikspyral Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I’m sorry, not trying to hijack but I also really want one of these. I’m into photo editing but I can live without Photoshop. Can you put Microsoft Office Picture Manager on one of these? It’s part of the Microsoft Office Tools and it’s a basic photo editor.

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    StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Got the exchange

    things are looking good

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